4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[Warwick7]

I wonder if BK’s apparent “problems” with women (which were apparently noted during his academic career going back to high school) have any connection to his role in his family. Conjecture only here, but if his two older female siblings were high achievers academically and were socially well-adjusted as teens/young adults, the amount of, and type of, attention they got from their parents might’ve been quite different from the attention the Kohbergers paid to their overweight, illegal substance-dabbling/-abusing, socially-awkward teenage/young adult son, and he may have resented the sisters for having (in his mind only) effortlessly achieved the social and scholastic successes (and probably earned the positive parental attention) he himself felt entitled to as the family’s only male child. It’s not hard to imagine that his resentment of women (particularly those around his own age/slightly younger) might’ve started in the home and just grew in scope and intensity as he got older.

I'm staring and staring at your post. Are you right? Could be. How many killers tho carry the stigma of being the only male child? Not many is my guess.

In my estimation, it is his disregard for others, his self-interest, and deceit. All of which, can be deeply rooted wrong desires (including those that may have a genetic basis or involve physical causes or environmental factors) that are not insurmountable for people.

It sounds like his parents worked extremely hard trying help and gear him in the right direction. I can't just give him a pass because of his place in the family unit.

There are those who reject help, they like their manic phases, and thrive off of hurting others. It's if they can not function unless there's chaos. They refuse to take their meds because they revel in the feelings of disorder and havoc. I know this for a fact because my step daughter is one of them. And this is exactly how I see BK

M00

 

[DizzyB]

Bryan Kohberger self-assessment form reveals new details about suspect

"I lost 130 lbs at age 15 into age 16…I believe this is proof that I have the required dedication to be successful," Kohberger said in a 2015 job application.

www.newsweek.com

In 2015 Kohberger filled out an application for a job as a school security guard in the Pleasant Valley School district of Pennsylvania.

Under a section headed "Describe any specialized training, skills and extra-curricular activities," Kohberger wrote: "I boxed after school every day at the Jesse Harris Boxing Gym on 209 near Big Cheese Pizza, when it was still open."

"I also attended a year of the Law Enforcement Program and I learned how to patrol and do basic security procedures. I also learned how to do HVAC (Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning) at Monroe Career & Technical Institute (MCTI)."

"I was the District 11 Skills USA regional champion in 2011 for extemporaneous speaking" (a competitive improvisational speaking style.) "I was a boxer and am still a runner. I believe dedication and perseverance are the most important skills learned from my activities," he said.

"I lost 130 lbs at age 15 into age 16 while attending High School and MCTI. I believe this is proof that I have the required dedication to be successful."

In the employment experience section of his application form, Kohberger put down fish cutter and a meat wrapper at BJ's Wholesale Club.

Of his fish cutter role, Kohberger wrote: "I cut the fish to the specifications of the customer."
Of his job as a meat wrapper, Kohberger wrote: "I did multiple things here, mostly the meat wrapping and produce positions."

"I made sure tags were correct, prices were matching on the outside shelves. I stocked the shelves with meat products and I unstocked the shipment that came in overnight, about 3 or 4 times a week."

Years Before Firing from University Job, Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger Was Problematic 'Fish Cutter' Employee

"He was withdrawn and didn't show improvement," a former employer of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger tells PEOPLE

people.com

According to Charles Conklin, the owner of Big Brown Fish and Pay Lakes in Effort, Pa., Kohberger worked for him for a period of four months in 2011 as a seasonal employee when Kohberger was in high school.

Kohberger was trained by Conklin to cut and filet raw fish. However, Kohberger never warmed up and got friendly, he was withdrawn and didn't show improvement. Conklin forbid him from interacting with customers.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article278493574.html

In high school, Bryan Kohberger was kicked out of his law enforcement training program after a complaint was made about him stemming from an incident involving other students, according to a former administrator at the county’s technical school.

“I was the District 11 Skills USA regional champion in 2011 for extemporaneous speaking (a competitive improvisational speaking style.)”
Seems like that might be difficult for a person as he was characterized by AT in the courtroom.

 

[SteveP]

“I was the District 11 Skills USA regional champion in 2011 for extemporaneous speaking (a competitive improvisational speaking style.)”
Seems like that might be difficult for a person as he was characterized by AT in the courtroom.

So basically, he was a regional champion at BS'ing, and clearly proud of it. We saw it at work in the one traffic stop in Washington, and I am really beginning to hope that we may see it in this upcoming trial. He may actually think he can talk his way out of a guilty verdict, assuming that he even wants to, which I am not convinced of. I still think the likelihood is less than 50/50, of him taking the stand, but with several of the recent decisions made by Judge Hippler, I think the chance may be increasing, as it looks like even with our old buddy Sy testifying, BK is still going to be the only person that can tell us he was out stargazing at 4am, but not "over there". Also, his best chance of Autism possibly keeping him off death row depends on him testifying. If he is butting heads with AT, as some think may be happening, I can imagine him testifying, if for no other reason than because she advises him not to. And I can imagine the jury seeing through every bit of his BS, if he chooses to. JMO

 

[mickey2942]

Is it quantifiably any more embarrassing than trying to suggest his inability to tie his shoelaces as a child equates to an inability to kill with a Kbar as an adult?

Exactly. After all, tying shoes is a fine motor skill. Using a Kbar to stab people is considered a "gross motor" skill. Completely separate.

 

[Justice101]

So basically, he was a regional champion at BS'ing, and clearly proud of it. We saw it at work in the one traffic stop in Washington, and I am really beginning to hope that we may see it in this upcoming trial. He may actually think he can talk his way out of a guilty verdict, assuming that he even wants to, which I am not convinced of. I still think the likelihood is less than 50/50, of him taking the stand, but with several of the recent decisions made by Judge Hippler, I think the chance may be increasing, as it looks like even with our old buddy Sy testifying, BK is still going to be the only person that can tell us he was out stargazing at 4am, but not "over there". Also, his best chance of Autism possibly keeping him off death row depends on him testifying. If he is butting heads with AT, as some think may be happening, I can imagine him testifying, if for no other reason than because she advises him not to. And I can imagine the jury seeing through every bit of his BS, if he chooses to. JMO

I think he is smart enough to "read the room" during the trial and if it is rather obvious to him (based on his study of serial killers and evidence presented that got them convicted) that he will be convicted.. then, I think he might ask his team to call him as a witness. This would be even his last resort to make some claims of innocence to his family.

The drama of him suddenly testifying would be earth shattering. I feel like he would say his piece... then when cross came, the big cannons would be brought out by the prosecution and it would be a like shooting fish in a barrel so to speak.

One question.... In Idaho, can BK legally even make unplanned testimony or does his representation have to place him on a witness list well beforehand for that to happen????

 

[SteveP]

I think he is smart enough to "read the room" during the trial and if it is rather obvious to him (based on his study of serial killers and evidence presented that got them convicted) that he will be convicted.. then, I think he might ask his team to call him as a witness. This would be even his last resort to make some claims of innocence to his family.

The drama of him suddenly testifying would be earth shattering. I feel like he would say his piece... then when cross came, the big cannons would be brought out by the prosecution and it would be a like shooting fish in a barrel so to speak.

One question.... In Idaho, can BK legally even make unplanned testimony or does his representation have to place him on a witness list well beforehand for that to happen????

A witness list is good at court organization and ensuring that all relevant witnesses are present, but the state is not required to be told in advance if a defendant plans to testify in a criminal trial in Idaho. There are no rules in place to require advance notice of a defendant's intention to testify.

As to any ability BK has to "read the room", I am not convinced that he can, but if he can, he certainly should also be able to "read the evidence" the state has, and that should scare the bejeebies out of him. JMO

 

[Fleur-de-lis]

I work at a university, the fourth I've worked at, and at each of these universities, it was not unusual for students to take their cars home during the big breaks, often driving cross-country to do so. I felt it dangerous to do, but the students did not seem to be worried about it. MOO.

I wonder if BK actually planned on returning, without an assistantship. Or, if he had a plan to have his car painted a different color. My musings only.

 

[NoeticSoul]

“I was the District 11 Skills USA regional champion in 2011 for extemporaneous speaking (a competitive improvisational speaking style.)”
Seems like that might be difficult for a person as he was characterized by AT in the courtroom.

This tidbit makes me feel even more that he'd love nothing more than to get on the stand for himself in this trial. moo

 

[Balthazar]

I don't think BK has any problems with telling a direct lie, if he thinks it is to his advantage to. He did tell the traffic cop who stopped him for running a red light in Washington, that in Pennsylvania, where he's from, they don't have crosswalks. If he would lie about something as inconsequential as that, he will likely lie about anything, to anyone. JMO

I don't think that was a lie. Albrightsville, PA is extremely rural. It is unincorporated and there is no downtown area. Unincorporated means that Albrightsville doesn't have a local government (no mayor, no city council). Typically unincorporated cities or towns were founded in the past and have traditionally existed but have no government and no city services. City services are who decide where stuff like crosswalks and stop signs go, put them in and maintain them. But Albrightsville doesn't have that. Albrightsville is known for not being walkable at all so I don't know where they would put a crosswalk. If you look at a map of the area and where the few restaurants they have are, for example, they are spread out along different country roads and they are all mom and pop type places. They don't even have a major grocery store, just local mom and pop stores. So it's not like typical cities in the US with a downtown area and places you can walk to. To go to a major grocery store, you have to drive to another city. And the schools attended by Albrightsville children are in a different city called Jim Thorpe, PA which has a historic downtown. Because things are so spread out in Albrightsville, you can't walk from one place to another. For these reasons, I very much doubt there are any crosswalks in Albrightsville at all:

Getting Around Albrightsville: Walkability, Public Transit & Biking

Albrightsville transportation for nomads: Walkability 10/100, public transit 15/100, biking 28/100. Plan ahead - limited car-free options available.

nomadlio.com

 

[SteveP]

I don't think that was a lie. Albrightsville, PA is extremely rural. It is unincorporated and there is no downtown area. Unincorporated means that Albrightsville doesn't have a local government (no mayor, no city council). Typically unincorporated cities or towns were founded in the past and have traditionally existed but have no government and no city services. City services are who decide where stuff like crosswalks and stop signs go, put them in and maintain them. But Albrightsville doesn't have that. Albrightsville is known for not being walkable at all so I don't know where they would put a crosswalk. If you look at a map of the area and where the few restaurants they have are, for example, they are spread out along different country roads and they are all mom and pop type places. They don't even have a major grocery store, just local mom and pop stores. So it's not like typical cities in the US with a downtown area and places you can walk to. To go to a major grocery store, you have to drive to another city. And the schools attended by Albrightsville children are in a different city called Jim Thorpe, PA which has a historic downtown. Because things are so spread out in Albrightsville, you can't walk from one place to another. For these reasons, I very much doubt there are any crosswalks in Albrightsville at all:

Getting Around Albrightsville: Walkability, Public Transit & Biking

Albrightsville transportation for nomads: Walkability 10/100, public transit 15/100, biking 28/100. Plan ahead - limited car-free options available.

nomadlio.com

With a population of 93, yes, it is probably safe to say that Albrightsville does not have crosswalks. However, in the 28 years that BK lived there, and the probably at least 10 years that he was a licensed driver, I am pretty sure we can assume that he, at least on occasion, was in Wilkes-Barre, population about 44,000, which is about 35 mins away, or Scranton, population about 76,000, which is about 45 mins away. Also, DeSales University, which he aattended, is in the Lehigh Valley area of Pa, which has a population of about 860,000. There are also other smaller towns closeby that are considerably larger than Albrightsville, and may have crosswalks. I think we can be certain that crosswalks were not foreign to BK, so yes, I think most here would call his statement a serious bending of the truth, if not an outright lie. Just some extemporaneous BS from the champ. JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

With a population of 93, yes, it is safe to say that Albrightsville does not have crosswalks. However, in the 28 years that he lived there, and the probably at least 10 years that he was a licensed driver, I am pretty sure we can assume that he, at least on occasion, was in Wilkes-Barre, population about 44,000, which is about 35 mins away, or Scranton, population about 76,000, which is about 45 mins away. Also, DeSales University is in the Lehigh Valley area of Pa, which has a population of about 860,000. I think we can be certain that crosswalks were not foreign to BK, so yes, I think most here would call his statement a serious bending of the truth, if not an outright lie. Just some extemporaneous BS. JMO

A++++++++++++

 

[DizzyB]

With a population of 93, yes, it is safe to say that Albrightsville does not have crosswalks. However, in the 28 years that BK lived there, and the probably at least 10 years that he was a licensed driver, I am pretty sure we can assume that he, at least on occasion, was in Wilkes-Barre, population about 44,000, which is about 35 mins away, or Scranton, population about 76,000, which is about 45 mins away. Also, DeSales University, which he aattended, is in the Lehigh Valley area of Pa, which has a population of about 860,000. There are also other smaller towns closeby that are considerably larger than Albrightsville, and may have crosswalks. I think we can be certain that crosswalks were not foreign to BK, so yes, I think most here would call his statement a serious bending of the truth, if not an outright lie. Just some extemporaneous BS from the champ. JMO

I wonder if there were crosswalks on the streets when he was scoring dope back in PA.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Do people think that BK was cash poor and had barely any funds? or that he was well situated financially? Was he living hand to mouth on meagre allowance or from a bursary or did he have a good income from somewhere?

 

[mickey2942]

Do people think that BK was cash poor and had barely any funds? or that he was well situated financially? Was he living hand to mouth on meagre allowance or from a bursary or did he have a good income from somewhere?

I think he was living on student loans. His family situation is not flush, so, he had to be self supporting. And tuition for out of state PhD is reduced by being a TA, but not 100% paid for. The cash is paltry.

 

[Balthazar]

With a population of 93, yes, it is probably safe to say that Albrightsville does not have crosswalks. However, in the 28 years that BK lived there, and the probably at least 10 years that he was a licensed driver, I am pretty sure we can assume that he, at least on occasion, was in Wilkes-Barre, population about 44,000, which is about 35 mins away, or Scranton, population about 76,000, which is about 45 mins away. Also, DeSales University, which he aattended, is in the Lehigh Valley area of Pa, which has a population of about 860,000. There are also other smaller towns closeby that are considerably larger than Albrightsville, and may have crosswalks. I think we can be certain that crosswalks were not foreign to BK, so yes, I think most here would call his statement a serious bending of the truth, if not an outright lie. Just some extemporaneous BS from the champ. JMO

BK very specifically said "Where I am from in Pennsylvania, we actually don't have crosswalks." So he was specifically talking about where he is from which is Albrightsville, not Wilkes-Barre, Scranton, Lehigh Valley or any other city in Pennsylvania.

 

[tlcya]

Bryan Kohberger’s legal team won’t be able to tell a jury in his upcoming death penalty trial about his autism diagnosis unless he takes the stand in his own defense, a judge ruled Friday.
[snip]
In another order Friday, Judge Hippler said the jury can hear testimony describing the intruder’s “bushy eyebrows” from the only living witness who saw the person in the house around the time of the killings.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/18/us/bryan-kohberger-idaho-murder-trial-autism/index.html

Both rulings are sound IMO. SO Bushy Eyebrow Bryan it is.

 

[SteveP]

BK very specifically said "Where I am from in Pennsylvania, we actually don't have crosswalks." So he was specifically talking about where he is from which is Albrightsville, not Wilkes-Barre, Scranton, Lehigh Valley or any other city in Pennsylvania.

I am aware of what BK said. We will agree to disagree that his intent was to fashion a statement solely for the purpose of deceiving the officer, and hopefully in doing so, talk himself out of a ticket. There would be absolutely no other purpose in telling the officer that, other than to pretend he had no idea what he should do when approaching one. JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think he was living on student loans. His family situation is not flush, so, he had to be self supporting. And tuition for out of state PhD is reduced by being a TA, but not 100% paid for. The cash is paltry.

I'm wondering if he'd been out habitually in the small hours burglarizing homes or petty thieving from gardens and sheds or 'hot prowling' with an intent for taking valuables ? I wonder if there were any reports of this type of thing in his area ? It is possible he had a habit for doing something like that that developed / crossed over into an interest in the occupants of houses and accessing them too? JMO MOO

 

[Sundog]

I think he was living on student loans. His family situation is not flush, so, he had to be self supporting. And tuition for out of state PhD is reduced by being a TA, but not 100% paid for. The cash is paltry.

As a teaching assistant, he received a full tuition waiver the first year, so only had to pay rent, food, gas and personal costs, although some student fees for rec center, etc. that are not covered by tuition waivers. He would have to become a state resident to be covered by his tuition waiver for the second year as his department would only pay in-state tuition waiver for the second year and beyond. My guess is that he also was eligible for federal student loans or grants due to his financial situation. At his age, he wouldn't need to apply for federal loans and grants based on his parents' income, just his own.

If he received a stipend of about $2,500 a month as a .50 FTE teaching assistant for nine months of the year, then he would also be eligible for health insurance through the university.

jmo

 

[Warwick7]

I'm wondering if he'd been out habitually in the small hours burglarizing homes or petty thieving from gardens and sheds or 'hot prowling' with an intent for taking valuables ? I wonder if there were any reports of this type of thing in his area ? It is possible he had a habit for doing something like that that developed / crossed over into an interest in the occupants of houses and accessing them too? JMO MOO

I don't think the goal was petty thievery but voyeurism and control. M00

"One day, the woman returned to her apartment and found that someone had broken in and moved items around the home – but that nothing was missing."

"Following its installation, [cameras he installed] investigators believe Mr Kohberger used the security cameras to spy on the woman as – knowing her wifi password – he was able to tap into the cameras when within close proximity to the apartment."

Bryan Kohberger allegedly broke into student’s home before Idaho murders

Months later, Mr Kohberger is accused of breaking into an off-campus home in Moscow, Idaho, and stabbing to death Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin

www.the-independent.com