It is old blood. Easy deduction that it clearly predated the night of the crime
4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105
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It was planted by BK to divert suspicion
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yep, old blood, and any one of a hundred ways it could have gotten there in a busy household full of college students male and female.
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It's a college house with people coming and going. A place where 5 people live. It could be anybody. Besides it is located in a place the murderer didn't even go.
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That one random spot of blood on the rail has been addressed many, many times here.
Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson told the court at a hearing in August 2023 that those DNA samples were not uploaded to try to identify them through the FBI’s national DNA database, known as CODIS, because they were not eligible based on the criteria.
It was apparent to investigators that it was of no relevance to the crimes., and as I said, there is no evidence at all that the killer ever went downstairs. To the contrary, all evidence seems to point to an entry and exit through the slider on the second floor. I have no idea how that spot of blood got there, just a really good idea how it didn't. JMO
Unidentified male blood DNA found at Idaho home of murdered college students could aid Bryan Kohberger defense
In the bed of one of the stabbing victims, police said they also found what many regard as the case's key piece of evidence: a leather sheath for a fixed-blade knife.
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Likely a different way than the items BK allegedly left behind, such as a knife sheath & his DNA. As has been said before at least a few ti,es the blood hasn’t been shown to be even related to the crime at this point. Why isn’t the defense filing endless motions about it?
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Re: leaving records out
PCA
At approximately 2:47 a.m., the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that provide coverage southeast ofthe Kohberger Residence consistent with the 8458 Phone leaving the Kohberger Residence and traveling south through Pullman, WA'
At approximately 2:47 a.m. the 8458 Phone stops reporting to the network,
Vague expert testimony:
A recent disclosure states: "Page 13 depicts cellular phone usage by the 8458 phone on November 13 2022 and Ballance is expected to testify that when the 8458 phone interacted with the AT&T network at 2:47:29 a.m., the phone was not at the Bryan Kohberger residence, marked "BK" on the map, rather it was southeast ofthe Bryan Kohberger residence as depicted by the drive test data. Ballance is also expected to testify that he analyzed additional handoff data that occurred during this data session and that the 8458 phone stopped communicating with the network at 2:54:45." This disclosure does not provide an analysis or opinion as to what SA Ballance found when he analvzed the additional handoff data that occurred during this data session. This is the very data I previously testified about having been omitted from SA Ballance's work product and opinions
The State's narrative changed because the omitted data (noted by SR) did not support their initial claims.
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PCA
At approximately 2:47 a.m., the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that provide coverage southeast ofthe Kohberger Residence consistent with the 8458 Phone leaving the Kohberger Residence and traveling south through Pullman, WA'
At approximately 2:47 a.m. the 8458 Phone stops reporting to the network,
Vague expert testimony:
A recent disclosure states: "Page 13 depicts cellular phone usage by the 8458 phone on November 13 2022 and Ballance is expected to testify that when the 8458 phone interacted with the AT&T network at 2:47:29 a.m., the phone was not at the Bryan Kohberger residence, marked "BK" on the map, rather it was southeast ofthe Bryan Kohberger residence as depicted by the drive test data. Ballance is also expected to testify that he analyzed additional handoff data that occurred during this data session and that the 8458 phone stopped communicating with the network at 2:54:45." This disclosure does not provide an analysis or opinion as to what SA Ballance found when he analvzed the additional handoff data that occurred during this data session. This is the very data I previously testified about having been omitted from SA Ballance's work product and opinions
The State's narrative changed because the omitted data (noted by SR) did not support their initial claims.
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I think that is highly unlikely given what we know. Given his movements, if he planned to do a mass murder, him walking to the top floor and skipping both Xana and Dylan's rooms (as well as Bethany if you want to include her) suggests someone who has a clear specific target rather than to murder whoever he stumbled on. Whether it was Kaylee or Maddie, he was looking for someone at the top floor specifically, we just don't know who because only he knows which room he went to first. Then we know he killed Xana after she stumbled on him (or had a high likelyhood of stumbling on him given the events that transpired prior to him coming down the stairs) so this suggests her and Ethan were collateral. Finally, he skips Dylan's room for the third time. Whether he saw her or not, if his goal was mass murder - that doesn't make sense for someone who just wanted to murder whoever.
As to why he hit a house full of people... Only he himself knows. Generally speaking it's a risky attack but he could have easily escaped if we assume everything went to plan and he killed Maddie/Kaylee and Xana was sleeping instead of being awake. He could have easily left at that point before anyone knew what was happening.
Yes, it is a risky attack and such, but so is bringing your car to the crime scene and turning your phone before the crimes. He's a not a hardened, experienced killer, he's just a guy with a subpar knowledge of police technology and methods who probably had fantasies of killing for a long time prior the attack and the stuff in his personal life finally sent him over the edge and he decided to go along with it. His driving around the neighborhood with his car suggests it as much. We really shouldn't be relying on logic here. There are many things he did that are not logical and outright stupid.
Steve - I agree with you post except for the part about Murphy. I finally found the post from waaaay back where someone posted the transcript of an interview with Kaylee's Mom and sister:
Murphy wasn't a barker.
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You may be right about Murphy. Thanks for the link. I was going from memory about a dog being heard barking on the audio recording from neighbor's house, and something stated about the dog continuing to bark for 30 minutes. It may have been another neighborhood dog, but I still suspect that a dog barking incessantly probably added to BK's haste to get out of and away from the house.Steve - I agree with you post except for the part about Murphy. I finally found the post from waaaay back where someone posted the transcript of an interview with Kaylee's Mom and sister:
Murphy wasn't a barker.
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Passing along my own experience. I have many times said "I don't have enough information to make a judgment" on a case. There are several people in the threads that I think would like more proof or a kind of proof that they find conclusive, I know in many cases I do (I sat on the fence in way more cases than I should have). Everyone has an opinion and as long as one is respectful, doesn't try to twist words, or force their opinion on anyone else, it usually works OK. It helps to explain WHY one thinks as they do, JMO though. But none of us are going to be jurors on a case we are discussing so having an opinion that is either "innocent until PROVEN guilty" or "The public facing evidence is convincing" is just fine.
I will say that "innocent until PROVEN guilty" would not leave me much to say. "Not convinced of guilt because of these factors" might leave me with a lot to say. That's just me, though.
Real question. Why would he leave anyone alive if he planned a mass murder? Did he not know about the other two? Maybe got exhausted? That is the part I cannot reconcile if he planned a mass murder. He should have known that at least 4 women would be there. That KG and EC were also there was likely a surprise, but was that enough to not go looking downstairs?
I'm kind of feeling the "Thought he would sneak in and kill 1 while the others were all passed out" scenario and either KG wasn't where he thought she would be and he had to go find her, or MM was the target. I'm thinking MM was the target because KG was not supposed to be there, but that KG was there might have made her the target. Anyway, random thoughts.
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Has it ever been tested?
BT 8/2023
Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson told the court at a hearing in August 2023 that those DNA samples were not uploaded to try to identify them through the FBI’s national DNA database, known as CODIS, because they were not eligible based on the criteria.
Unidentified male blood DNA found at Idaho home of murdered college students could aid Bryan Kohberger defense
In the bed of one of the stabbing victims, police said they also found what many regard as the case's key piece of evidence: a leather sheath for a fixed-blade knife.
BP 1/23/25
A. At that point in time, we had already received Mr. Kohberger's name, and from what my understanding was, entering another DNA profile into CODIS would remove the previous one we had from the knife sheath. So if memory serves, the discussion was we'll hold off, we'll stay with the one from the knife sheath; if we need to, we can address the Unknown Male B at a later time.
Q. I want to make sure I understand your testimony. Were you not aware of Unknown Male B until after December 19th when you knew Bryan Kohberger's name?
A. No, ma'am. I was aware of that before, yes.
Dace/White 2/17/25
Rebuttal Disclosure 2/17/25 This disclosure increases her testimony about CODIS and why profiles were or were not uploaded.
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Sometimes it's said that a person snaps.
In BK's case, I would nuance that. I think BK had to work hard at tolerating the imbeciles around him.
The professor who set up that TA/grading session likely envisioned a dialogue between the adult TA and the adult students whereby each side would come away with a better understanding of the other's position. The professor might even have thought it would be a good teaching/learning exercise for BK. Grow some empathy. Without realizing empathy was decidedly not in his wheelhouse.
I can only imagine how many different ways BK choose to be offended.
I don't think he snapped. I think BK relaxed. By which I mean he just stopped the tedious work of playing by rules he didn't care to understand.
And then 1122 became the only thing he wanted to do. That gross winning selfie kind of says it all.
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Real question. How does anything get anywhere? I have blood on the base of my toilet right now. Why? My D got a nosebleed in December and it is at the base of the toilet where I cannot reach well. Her nose started to bleed, she ran for a tissue in the bathroom, blood streaming down her hand and as she reached for the tissue the blood spattered at the base of the toilet. I thought I got it all when I cleaned when she left. I didn't. That is this weekend's task now.
Even if I had gotten that, I will likely find other spots in weird places because the dry air here causes her nosebleeds. I personally cut myself on a regular basis and need to run for a bandaid, bleeding all the way. And I don't live in a spotless house because I have many other things I'd rather do.
Could the blood on the banister be important? Maybe. But not absent anything else that would lead someone there, like a blood trail on the floor or other spots on the rail, or even splattering across the half wall next to the stairs on the other side. For all we know, that was a mix of EC and XK blood or even just XK blood that flew across the short wall and hit the banister, and DM smeared it on the way down to BF's room. All MOO, as per the norm.
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We are only being told about the one footprint in front of DM's door in the PCA. They needed just the basics for that affidavit.
I can't imagine leaving the bloody scene in Xana's room and there aren't many footprints from Xana's and going out the slider.
There will be no footprints coming from the bannister steps. M00
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If he intended to kill one person and he saw those lights , in a case of preserving his anonymity - he would have been wise to establish what the light was about but for fear of being noticed - he kept moving
Thank you , I appreciate this - I get it now
“think that is highly unlikely given what we know. Given his movements, if he planned to do a mass murder, him walking to the top floor and skipping both Xana and Dylan's rooms (as well as Bethany if you want to include her) suggests someone who has a clear specific target rather than to murder whoever he stumbled on.”
Thank you , I appreciate this - I get it now
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I totally agree.
I do feel he got exhausted/overwhelmed. Xana's Dad said she was a bit of a scrapper. She had defensive wounds. BK may have been shocked that he had to deal with her. He also feared someone waking and calling 911...
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