4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

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  • #541
From the order RE: ASD and death penalty.

The formal diagnosis of ASD was recent but was suspected in childhood.

"Having been recently diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder ("ASD") by a clinical neuropsychologist retained by his defense team,"

footnote 3 "At an early age, Defendant's school psychologist recommended that he be evaluated for ADHD and Asperger's disorder (now ASD). He was clinically diagnosed with ADHD only."
 
  • #542
Apartment warrant
The King Road Residence contained a significant amount of blood from the victims including spatter and castoff (bloodstain pattern resulting from blood drops released from an object due to its motion) which, based on my training, makes it likely that this evidence was transferred to Kohberger's person, clothing, or shoes.

FBI processed the car 3 times.
They expected to find trace evidence and didn't.

On the SW return:
Floor mats, door panel, seats, seat cushions, visor, head rest, seatbelt, brake pedal, gas pedal, and seat belt boot.

A person who wraps the inside of their car in plastic has to remove the plastic at some point without transferring trace evidence while removing said plastic.

JMO
MOO FBI expected common criminal behavior, while BK is just more sophisticated about crime scene hazards for the perpetrator. There is only going to be transfer if he transfers it. Everyday in hospital settings bio transfer is 100% prevented when getting out of coveralls.
Also MOO, luckily for justice BK had a blind spot about degree of tech and purchase tracking.
 
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  • #543
It's maths.

Multiplication. Where the odds, multiplied, get into numbers greater than any possible thing in the universe. You start with his DNA which was already astronomical in odds, then multiply for coincidences -- odds of an Elantra, the phone blackhole, the athletic build, the unibrybrow, the Amazon purchases...

You begin to see why AT's only strategy is verbosity. Maybe she can wear the judge and/or jury into tired confusion. It's all she's got.

Because the cumulative evidence is so solid, there's no space between all those zeroes for it to have been anyone but BK.

I've said it before. BK commit the perfect conviction.

JMO
I see what you did there “unibrybrow.” Brilliant😎
 
  • #544
Whoa....several new orders with lots of details today.

First one:

"The Court finds that some ofthe hearsay statements on the 911 call do not qualify under the exceptions cited by the State and, therefore, must be redacted. However, the balance of the 911 call as well as the texts and conversations noted herein are likely admissible provided that the requisite foundation is laid at trial.' The transcript will be allowed as a demonstrative aid, again assuming proper foundation is established." (the transcript is of the 911 call and will be given to jury to read as they listen)

Details about the girls evening:
D.M., B.F., KG, and MM got home from their evening out. EC and XK weren't home yet. Around 2 am DM, BF, KG, and MM met up in KG's room and talked for a while. They debated about going otu to a food truck for a late snack, DM texted an Uber driver friend at 2:10 to see if he was driving. Ultimately they all decided not to go out and instead just go to bed.

"At approximately 4:00 a.m., D.M. heard strange noises and crying coming from the bathroom. She opened her door at one point and saw a man dressed in black with a ski mask on walking by her bedroom door. She then placed calls and texts to her other roommates to see if they were awake. Only B.F., who resided on the ground floor, answered. They spoke once for 24 seconds, during which D.M. told B.F. she thought she heard something. They spoke again a minute later for 41 seconds when D.M. told B.F. she saw a man in a ski mask leaving the house. They then exchanged the following text messages between 4:22 and 4:26 a.m."
"D.M. then exited her room and began running toward B.F.'s bedroom. On her way, she noticed Xana lying on the floor of her bedroom, with her head towards the wall and her feet toward to the door. D.M. thought Xana was drunk."
"At 10:23, she texted Madison, asking "R u up[.]" Jd. She received no response. D.M. continued to access Instagram and Snapchat until 11:29 a.m., when she texted Kaylee, "R u up??" Jd. Again, there was no response, which D.M. thought was strange because Kaylee and Madison were "early wakers." GJ Trans. at 188: 15-24. D.M. continued accessing various social media sites, included checking Ethan and Xana's Snapmap locations."

"At approximately 11:50 a.m., D.M. called her friend E.A. and asked her to come over and check the house because she was scared. E.A. and her boyfriend, H.J. came over. Exh. D1; GJ Trans. at 276:9-12. They met D.M. and B-F. at the bottom floor of the house. GJ Trans. at 277:24. Together D.M., B.F. and H.J. started to walk up the stairs to the second floor. When they reached the second floor, H.J. went to the kitchen to grab a kitchen knife.
When he came back out, D.M. "saw Xana again for a split second. And I just started bawling because I thought she had just like I don't even know. I thought maybe she was still just drunk and all asleep on the floor." GJ Trans. at 190: 1-25; 245:22-246:20. B.F. also saw Xana lying on the floor. /d. at 231:13-17. H.J. told D.M. and B.F. to "get out." E.A., who had started up the stairs, also turned around after H.J. instructed her not to come any further. /d. at 276:13-21. They both went outside. Shortly afterwards, H.J. exited the house and told them to call 911. He was pale white and mentioned something about someone being unconscious"
Gross that the defendant says DM and BF weren't "sufficiently startled" by the events.

I don't care if it's a legal argument, it's a disgusting assertion, considering there was a masked assailant in the house and they'd come to learn four of their friends had been slaughtered.

It's almost like the defendant is disappointed they didn't freak out to his satisfaction.

JMO
 
  • #545
Gross that the defendant says DM and BF weren't "sufficiently startled" by the events.

I don't care if it's a legal argument, it's a disgusting assertion, considering there was a masked assailant in the house and they'd come to learn four of their friends had been slaughtered.

It's almost like the defendant is disappointed they didn't freak out to his satisfaction.

JMO
Not sufficiently evil minded to conceive of what had been done.
 
  • #546
Probably found? You think he dripped blood on the ground and somehow did not get any in his car?

They tested his car for a lot more than just blood and they found nothing with no sign of him cleaning the car either. If he did try to clean the car we'd of heard about it by know in my opinion.
We did hear about it.

 
  • #547
Whoa....several new orders with lots of details today.

First one:

"The Court finds that some ofthe hearsay statements on the 911 call do not qualify under the exceptions cited by the State and, therefore, must be redacted. However, the balance of the 911 call as well as the texts and conversations noted herein are likely admissible provided that the requisite foundation is laid at trial.' The transcript will be allowed as a demonstrative aid, again assuming proper foundation is established." (the transcript is of the 911 call and will be given to jury to read as they listen)

Details about the girls evening:
D.M., B.F., KG, and MM got home from their evening out. EC and XK weren't home yet. Around 2 am DM, BF, KG, and MM met up in KG's room and talked for a while. They debated about going otu to a food truck for a late snack, DM texted an Uber driver friend at 2:10 to see if he was driving. Ultimately they all decided not to go out and instead just go to bed.

"At approximately 4:00 a.m., D.M. heard strange noises and crying coming from the bathroom. She opened her door at one point and saw a man dressed in black with a ski mask on walking by her bedroom door. She then placed calls and texts to her other roommates to see if they were awake. Only B.F., who resided on the ground floor, answered. They spoke once for 24 seconds, during which D.M. told B.F. she thought she heard something. They spoke again a minute later for 41 seconds when D.M. told B.F. she saw a man in a ski mask leaving the house. They then exchanged the following text messages between 4:22 and 4:26 a.m."
"D.M. then exited her room and began running toward B.F.'s bedroom. On her way, she noticed Xana lying on the floor of her bedroom, with her head towards the wall and her feet toward to the door. D.M. thought Xana was drunk."
"At 10:23, she texted Madison, asking "R u up[.]" Jd. She received no response. D.M. continued to access Instagram and Snapchat until 11:29 a.m., when she texted Kaylee, "R u up??" Jd. Again, there was no response, which D.M. thought was strange because Kaylee and Madison were "early wakers." GJ Trans. at 188: 15-24. D.M. continued accessing various social media sites, included checking Ethan and Xana's Snapmap locations."

"At approximately 11:50 a.m., D.M. called her friend E.A. and asked her to come over and check the house because she was scared. E.A. and her boyfriend, H.J. came over. Exh. D1; GJ Trans. at 276:9-12. They met D.M. and B-F. at the bottom floor of the house. GJ Trans. at 277:24. Together D.M., B.F. and H.J. started to walk up the stairs to the second floor. When they reached the second floor, H.J. went to the kitchen to grab a kitchen knife.
When he came back out, D.M. "saw Xana again for a split second. And I just started bawling because I thought she had just like I don't even know. I thought maybe she was still just drunk and all asleep on the floor." GJ Trans. at 190: 1-25; 245:22-246:20. B.F. also saw Xana lying on the floor. /d. at 231:13-17. H.J. told D.M. and B.F. to "get out." E.A., who had started up the stairs, also turned around after H.J. instructed her not to come any further. /d. at 276:13-21. They both went outside. Shortly afterwards, H.J. exited the house and told them to call 911. He was pale white and mentioned something about someone being unconscious"
Wowsa.
 
  • #548
Apartment warrant
The King Road Residence contained a significant amount of blood from the victims including spatter and castoff (bloodstain pattern resulting from blood drops released from an object due to its motion) which, based on my training, makes it likely that this evidence was transferred to Kohberger's person, clothing, or shoes.

FBI processed the car 3 times.
They expected to find trace evidence and didn't.

On the SW return:
Floor mats, door panel, seats, seat cushions, visor, head rest, seatbelt, brake pedal, gas pedal, and seat belt boot.

A person who wraps the inside of their car in plastic has to remove the plastic at some point without transferring trace evidence while removing said plastic.

JMO
Of that list Floor mats could be removed/replaced. I wonder if they were all weather or carpet? all weather, easy clean. Carpet, not so much. Seats could have had covers that were removed, headrest could have been removed beforehand and replaced after, gas pedal, brake pedal are easy clean.

What isn't easy clean or easy remove is the seatbelt, door panel or visor. The seatbelt especially.
 
  • #549
Couple tid bits:

Kohberger ceased using his debit card for purchases after November, 10. This was unusual, as he regularly used it prior to that. It appears he used cash instead, making multiple atm withdrawals.

These withdrawals began on the date of the murders, and continued afterward.

His computer showed suspicious gaps in user logs and browser history between November, 11 and November, 16. The theory is that he used some sort of software to cover his tracks, and switched to private browsing or cleared his history when conducting searches.

School was in session at the time.

Also of note, timed runs showed he could have committed the murders in approximately 2-4 minutes.

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Damnit @gremlin444, I could have saved myself a lot of trouble had I seen your post.

Same page though. To include “tidbits.”
 
  • #550
@alex_brizee


BREAKING: Bryan Kohberger’s autism spectrum diagnosis won’t prevent him from facing the death penalty if the 30-year-old is convicted at his upcoming capital murder trial, the presiding judge ruled Thursday.





@kfixler


On Thursday, #Idaho4 judge ruled against push by #BryanKohberger's defense to restrict jurors in his #Idaho murder trial from hearing most of 911 call audio, plus receive a transcript. Also, all of prosecution's expert witnesses will be allowed to testify.

 
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  • #552
Apartment warrant
The King Road Residence contained a significant amount of blood from the victims including spatter and castoff (bloodstain pattern resulting from blood drops released from an object due to its motion) which, based on my training, makes it likely that this evidence was transferred to Kohberger's person, clothing, or shoes.

FBI processed the car 3 times.
They expected to find trace evidence and didn't.

On the SW return:
Floor mats, door panel, seats, seat cushions, visor, head rest, seatbelt, brake pedal, gas pedal, and seat belt boot.

A person who wraps the inside of their car in plastic has to remove the plastic at some point without transferring trace evidence while removing said plastic.

JMO
BBM
Oh my god that's awful.....😔
 
  • #553
MOO FBI expected common criminal behavior, while BK is just more sophisticated about crime scene hazards for the perpetrator. There is only going to be transfer if he transfers it. Everyday in hospital settings bio transfer is 100% prevented when getting out of coveralls.
Also MOO, luckily for justice BK had a blind spot about degree of tech and purchase tracking.
We know of him cleaning his car with bleach once in PA. I’d say it wasn’t the first cleaning that car had after the murders, with at least one likely including a vacuum.

JMO
 
  • #554
Couple tid bits:

Kohberger ceased using his debit card for purchases after November, 10. This was unusual, as he regularly used it prior to that. It appears he used cash instead, making multiple atm withdrawals.

These withdrawals began on the date of the murders, and continued afterward.

His computer showed suspicious gaps in user logs and browser history between November, 11 and November, 16. The theory is that he used some sort of software to cover his tracks, and switched to private browsing or cleared his history when conducting searches.

School was in session at the time.

Also of note, timed runs showed he could have committed the murders in approximately 2-4 minutes.

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Damnit @gremlin444, I could have saved myself a lot of trouble had I seen your post.

Same page though. To include “tidbits.”
Who cares, keeping posting all your thoughts guys. Some of don't have access to these documents. 😊
 
  • #555
Couple tid bits:

Kohberger ceased using his debit card for purchases after November, 10. This was unusual, as he regularly used it prior to that. It appears he used cash instead, making multiple atm withdrawals.

These withdrawals began on the date of the murders, and continued afterward.

His computer showed suspicious gaps in user logs and browser history between November, 11 and November, 16. The theory is that he used some sort of software to cover his tracks, and switched to private browsing or cleared his history when conducting searches.

School was in session at the time.

Also of note, timed runs showed he could have committed the murders in approximately 2-4 minutes.

View attachment 581402
View attachment 581404View attachment 581403

Damnit @gremlin444, I could have saved myself a lot of trouble had I seen your post.

Same page though. To include “tidbits.”
So cleaning items, possibly shower curtain etc etc were purchased with cash?
 
  • #556
Can’t cleared history from browser be recovered?
 
  • #557
  • #558
So cleaning items, possibly shower curtain etc etc were purchased with cash?
Just gotta hope he took his phone with him everywhere he went.
 
  • #559
@alex_brizee


BREAKING: Bryan Kohberger’s autism spectrum diagnosis won’t prevent him from facing the death penalty if the 30-year-old is convicted at his upcoming capital murder trial, the presiding judge ruled Thursday.





@kfixler


On Thursday, #Idaho4 judge ruled against push by #BryanKohberger's defense to restrict jurors in his #Idaho murder trial from hearing most of 911 call audio, plus receive a transcript. Also, all of prosecution's expert witnesses will be allowed to testify.

Those are very big wins for the state, and huge blows to the defense.. AT better start finding those alternative suspects PDQ. JMO
 
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  • #560
Couple tid bits:

Kohberger ceased using his debit card for purchases after November, 10. This was unusual, as he regularly used it prior to that. It appears he used cash instead, making multiple atm withdrawals.

These withdrawals began on the date of the murders, and continued afterward.

His computer showed suspicious gaps in user logs and browser history between November, 11 and November, 16. The theory is that he used some sort of software to cover his tracks, and switched to private browsing or cleared his history when conducting searches.

School was in session at the time.

Also of note, timed runs showed he could have committed the murders in approximately 2-4 minutes.

View attachment 581402
View attachment 581404View attachment 581403

Damnit @gremlin444, I could have saved myself a lot of trouble had I seen your post.

Same page though. To include “tidbits.”
BBM
WOWZERS!!!!!!!!! 2-4 minutes!
 
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