4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[INfisherman]

Do you know where, timewise, the Reddit posts fit in with regard to BK's survey questionnaire that was part of his Master's degree research?

This states one of the surveys was posted in June of 2022 but by then he was a graduate student.

For clarity, the month is mentioned in a bulleted list at the top of the article. Reading into the article there is this:

At the time of the post, Kohberger was a graduate student at DeSales University. He graduated with a Master of Arts in Criminal Justice, according to a commencement pamphlet published by DeSales earlier in 2022.

Suspect arrested in connection with Idaho college student killings once asked ex-convicts on Reddit why they committed crimes

A Reddit post from June shows the suspect asking for participants in a survey for research about how emotions affect crime.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[SteveP]

Exactly. And it’s entirely possible Ethan was passed out drunk at the time, or simply so intoxicated he couldn’t put up a fight.

Attacks Xana, moves on to Ethan, and perhaps goes back to Xana.

If Ethan and Xana were killed at the same time, there was a crowd in that tiny bedroom. Hell, with those poor motor skills BK supposedly has, the other killer would have risked being stabbed too, in such a confined space. And then we would have had twice as many footsteps to avoid stepping in blood. I call BS.

Seriously, if it can be shown that BK could have done these murders in as little as 2-4 minutes, he almost killed all four at the same time. I am very interested in hearing this hired gun testify how he arrived at his expert conclusions. JMO

 

[Kudzuu]

However, if the GoodVibes sign created enough light for DM to see BK (and potentially cause BK not to see DM), it's good vibes for conviction.

JMO

IIRC the Good Vibes light was in M’s room on the third floor in the window overlooking the parking area. X was on the second floor so I think it probably wasn't illuminating where X lay.

But I like your thinking!

I've wondered if there was lighting from the kitchen.

I can't visualize how DM could peek out of her door and see him. She saw him twice. Once when he walked past her door then when he left. I think her door must open to the right.
MOO

 

[gremlin444]

IIRC the Good Vibes light was in M’s room on the third floor in the window overlooking the parking area. X was on the second floor so I think it probably wasn't illuminating where X lay.

But I like your thinking!

I've wondered if there was lighting from the kitchen.

I can't visualize how DM could peek out of her door and see him. She saw him twice. Once when he walked past her door then when he left. I think her door must open to the right.
MOO

There's also a Good Vibes light in the living room, the right of the doorway that takes you to the area outside DM's room as you walk towards the kitchen from the living room.

 

[Kudzuu]

There's also a Good Vibes light in the living room, the right of the doorway that takes you to the area outside DM's room as you walk towards the kitchen from the living room.

I didn't know that! Thx! I'm off to find a floorplan.

 

[NoeticSoul]

It's getting more and more clear that AT and her team are , IMO, going to put Xana, Kaylee, Maddie, DM and BF on trial through their questioning of DM, BF, and everyone at the scene that morning. How many guys slept over there? How many did you recognize? How many after parties did you wake up to? Did you know everyone's name? Was it common to have strangers in the house? Was this the first time you saw Xana pass out? Did guys go up and down those stairs to KG and MM's room? Did you know all of them.

Things are going to get ugly.

MOO

bbm If AT does that, I don't think the jury will appreciated it much at all!! It'll just be another nail in his coffin. moo

 

[DizzyB]

Steve G (Kaylee’s Dad) was interviewed last night. A couple things of note, which would be huge if true:

He talks about the late 911 call being a blessing, as Kohberger was searching online about the murders before they were even reported.

Kohberger also (allegedly) demonstrated knowledge of the crime before things were made public, and even prior to the murders themselves.

He also says that one of Kohberger's sisters was really helpful, while the rest of the family wasn't.

If the thing about the internet searches is true (looking up the murders before they were reported), then this would be second only to the DNA in terms of importance.

Oh Steve. I hope it’s true, and if it is, does that mean the defense has that information already? That’s how it works, right? If there were such a thing as courtroom bombshell testimony, that would be a biggie. But I’m assuming it’s included already in discovery, so the defense would have to have a plan to discount it-if it is to be presented.

 

[Megnut]

If Ethan and Xana were killed at the same time, there was a crowd in that tiny bedroom. Hell, with those poor motor skills BK supposedly has, the other killer would have risked being stabbed too, in such a confined space. And then we would have had twice as many footsteps to avoid stepping in blood. I call BS.

Seriously, if it can be shown that BK could have done these murders in as little as 2-4 minutes, he almost killed all four at the same time. I am very interested in hearing this hired gun testify how he arrived at his expert conclusions. JMO

He didn't waste time on formalities. He brought a weapon of mass destruction. MM weighs have been dead in seconds and KG, moments behind that. He should have been highly motivative to silence her immediately. A couple more slices and thrusts, he could have done it in a minute. Any longer than that, we'd be wondering what he was.

Back down the stairs, he must have XG going toward her room and overtook her just onto her room. Seeing EC, he would have pivoted. The bigger threat. But small room, one bed, little floors pace and a gargantuan wingspan, BK would have dominated that room. EC was likely killed with a powerful, defining injury, and XK injured, the murdered within seconds.

BK might have spent his slowest time descending the stairs, having heard DM of XK, creeping down the steps one slow step at a time, knowing he had "company" but unsure where.

And as quickly as it started, it was over. Back to quiet.

JMO

 

[JudyBolton]

Wouldn't that be something?! A car so clean there was no transfer of DNA from even known passengers. Absence of evidence where there'd the expectation of evidence is evidence....

Who expects a 2015 Elantra to be pristine? No offense to Hyundai but it's not exactly a show car.

No doubt AT wants to show that BK is just always cleaning. If he's not driving around looking at stars, he's cleaning cleaning cleaning. Nothing unusual here. Gloved up, just a natural clean freak.

Maybe so. Still, it's suspicious as heck.

Up in the middle of the night, while home for Christmas (not a 19 year old home on break, but a 28 year old man), he'd found what while everyone sleeps? AT says he was wearing gloves because he was cleaning the bathroom. As one does.

If anything, he was playing goldfish funeral with flushable evidence.

JMO

What a turn of words!!! Love it!

 

[Megnut]

I didn't know that! Thx! I'm off to find a floorplan.

Eerie photos reveal inside the Idaho quadruple murder house

DailyMail.com pictures show the inside of the home in Moscow, Idaho, where four students were murdered.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Warwick7]

Do you know where, timewise, the Reddit posts fit in with regard to BK's survey questionnaire that was part of his Master's degree research?

No not yet but sure would be handy to know.

 

[Warwick7]

The defense intends to call Brent Turvey to argue that multiple offenders were responsible for the murders. Let’s just say that he’s not exactly the most reliable witness, as he will testify to anything you want him to.

He likely struck KG with his fist or the butt of the knife, which would explain the differing injuries.

And of course there was no cleaning.

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https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/042425+Order+on+Defendants+Motion+in+Limine+RE+Vague+and+Undisclosed+Expert+Testimony.pdf

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So BK did strike her with the butt of it or is that Turvey supposing?

 

[JudyBolton]

Completely agree!

IF, and I mean IF, the murders had been reported BEFORE he did his search, then he could always claim that he "heard" about it from someone or saw something online.

With the weirdness of that same-morning selfie, he was excited to see the LE activity that he had created.

The reference made to him actually searching online before LE found them, is that actually documented in court records? Or otherwise, where did it come from. Very interested.

Also - if I remember correctly his phone data placed him back at the scene later that morning for 8 or 9 minutes. Wondering why he hasn't heard any police reports yet? All of this points to prior knowledge before it became public or even before the roommates knew the truth of the murders.

 

[Sundog]

No not yet but sure would be handy to know.

Apparently BK posted his survey on Reddit starting in May, according to a number of MSM reports that I was just reading.

Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger's haunting Reddit crime survey

Bryan Kohberger is in custody awaiting extradition from Pennsylvania to Idaho. He was arrested in the Poconos in the early hours of Friday morning.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SteveP]

He didn't waste time on formalities. He brought a weapon of mass destruction. MM weighs have been dead in seconds and KG, moments behind that. He should have been highly motivative to silence her immediately. A couple more slices and thrusts, he could have done it in a minute. Any longer than that, we'd be wondering what he was.

Back down the stairs, he must have XG going toward her room and overtook her just onto her room. Seeing EC, he would have pivoted. The bigger threat. But small room, one bed, little floors pace and a gargantuan wingspan, BK would have dominated that room. EC was likely killed with a powerful, defining injury, and XK injured, the murdered within seconds.

BK might have spent his slowest time descending the stairs, having heard DM of XK, creeping down the steps one slow step at a time, knowing he had "company" but unsure where.

And as quickly as it started, it was over. Back to quiet.

JMO

Oh, I know. I was not doubting the 2-4 minute claim at all. I was merely saying that to state that XK and EC were probably killed at the same time is pretty close to a given. He, singly, killed all four in very, very little time. JMO

 

[Megnut]

Apparently BK posted his survey on Reddit starting in May, according to a number of MSM reports that I was just reading.

Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger's haunting Reddit crime survey

Bryan Kohberger is in custody awaiting extradition from Pennsylvania to Idaho. He was arrested in the Poconos in the early hours of Friday morning.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In May?????? For spring graduation? A little late to be starting his research?

He already had his balaclava, already had his knife, I wonder if he had a target lined up at DeSales.... and it was getting in the way of his graduate work...

Why do I get the sense that BK lurked in all kinds of shadows long before Idaho?

And not just because his skin looks transparent. Daytime doesn't seem to be his fave time.

JMO

 

[Wintwrfreezy]

Just from a regular laundry point of view, I much prefer Oxi-Clean for blood, ketchup or really any type of penetrating stain. In general, you don’t have to worry about leaving a lighter spot.

I 100% agree with this. When my girls were growing up I taught them to use oxi-clean (or similar) to remove stains in laundry that may occur during their menstrual cycle. They’re in their early 30’s now and still use oxi-clean. It removes the stain without bleaching the fabric.

 

[Boxer]

If Ethan and Xana were killed at the same time, there was a crowd in that tiny bedroom. Hell, with those poor motor skills BK supposedly has, the other killer would have risked being stabbed too, in such a confined space. And then we would have had twice as many footsteps to avoid stepping in blood. I call BS.

Seriously, if it can be shown that BK could have done these murders in as little as 2-4 minutes, he almost killed all four at the same time. I am very interested in hearing this hired gun testify how he arrived at his expert conclusions. JMO

All violent crimes are so much faster as ambushes are usually successful.

 

[Miss Poovy]

bbm If AT does that, I don't think the jury will appreciated it much at all!! It'll just be another nail in his coffin. moo

AT will have to step carefully, but with no reasonable alibi, I suspect she will use some form of character assassin.

 

[rickstyles84]

Can’t cleared history from browser be recovered?

So i have worked in IT for over a decade and can tell you both yes and no to this question.

If he simply used incognito from Chrome or InPrivate from Edge then yes but considering he his technical knowledge he could have used a variety of ways to hide his history like using a firewall and vpns and tor browser to access the clearnet (regular sites) which again you can still leave crumbs if you are not careful. I almost guarantee that there are various examples in his digital forensics that, while not illegal, do show that these precautions were made.