4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[INfisherman]

I tend to think he was holding it in his left hand, as he intended to commit a single murder (MM). He'd stab her to death, res-sheath the knife, and walk out of there.

Once he realizes that someone else is in bed with her, his plan falls apart. He strikes me as the type of guy who doesn't adapt well to surprises, and can't think on his feet. He puts the sheath down, as he's now got a second person to deal with. Perhaps KG began to stir, and he punches her to regain control. He was apparently into boxing, so he could have used his left hand for this, or simply turned his knife hand horizontally and struck her.

He's all thrown off at this point and just wants to get out of there. Then he encounters Xana...

I was thinking the exact same thing earlier. He seems to be someone who can study & potentially prepare well based on what he’s studied but isn’t the type to adapt to unforeseen circumstances, as you pointed out, possibly even not good at thinking of things which may trip him up. I’d bet surprises or unexpected happenings like that might frustrate or anger him to some extent.

MOO

 

[Kemug]

"He was not cleaning his car on the night of his arrest, he was awake at night, which is typical for him, and he was cleaning his bathroom."

RSBM
I thought he was in the kitchen, putting the garbage into little plastic bags, with his own separate? Sorry if that's incorrect, it's just what I remember.

 

[Kemug]

Dec 2021 to Jan 2022 He applied to WSU.

Jan 10th He buys black balaclava.

Feb1st to Mar15th He is ccepted by WSU and applied to PPD.

March 20th-30th He buys Ka-Bar, sheath and sharpener.

In M00 does it look like going to Washington was all all an elaborate plan to murder someone?

RSBM
I should imagine that it didn't seriously occur to BK, given his ego, that he wouldn't be accepted by WSU. So before he is even officially notified (on Feb 1st?) he started putting together his "kill kit", buying a black balaclava on Jan 10th, number 1 on his shopping list. Soon followed by the knife and accoutrements. From the beginning, (whenever that was), it was his plan, I totally agree.

PS, have you noticed how this planning comes hard on the heels of the Christmas season, in an evil juxtaposition - from all the preparation and shopping lists of Christmas,straight to his private and secret planning and shopping lists. So evil and disturbed.

 

[katydid23]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/042425+Order+on+Defendants+Motion+in+Limine+RE+Vague+and+Undisclosed+Expert+Testimony.pdf

ORDER ON DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE RE: VAGUE AND UNDISCLOSED EXPERT TESTIMONY

pg 5

C. Heather and Jared Barnhart?

The Barnharts are digital specialists with Cellebrite who were retained by law enforcement to analyze Defendant's cell phone and PC to determine "user behavior and actions." They are disclosed to opine that the gaps in data on the two devices were "abnormal."!° Attached to the disclosures is a report jointly authored by the Barnharts detailing their analysis and findings. Their CVs were provided as well.

Defendant argues that the disclosures indicate they will testify to "habit" evidence, which

he complains is not explained and is not accompanied by any opinions. Defendant's challenge is confusing. Nowhere do the disclosures or the report indicate the Barnharts will testify about "habit" evidence. Rather, the disclosures state they will testify to their findings pertaining to Defendant's activities on his PC and cell phone for a period of time before and after the homicides and why gaps in data over that time period are "abnormal."

The Barnharts' opinions regarding these topics are fully set forth in their joint report. For example, they observed gaps in Defendant's school PC that "may be consistent with cleaning up

* For example, Defendant complained at the hearing that Agent Ballance analyzed handoff data for the seven minutes prior to the phone powering off at 2:54 a.m. on November 13, 2022, but did not provide an opinion about what his analysis showed. Thus, Defendant wants to exclude any opinion as to what his analysis of those seven minutes showed. However, as pointed out in Agent Ballance's rebuttal disclosure, page 13 of the CAST Report sets forth the data Agent Balance relied upon to opine that Defendant's phone used a certain tower and sector at 2:47 a.m. southeast of his apartment and ceased communication with the network at 2:54. He also explains that thelocation of a device is best estimated by the initial cell site versus the handoff cell site. He will be allowed to testify to these opinions. If Defendant believes Agent Ballance strays beyond these opinions, he can object and the Court will take the matter up then.

° The State submitted the following disclosures for the Bamharts: Initial Disclosure Heather Barnhart (Exh. S-3) (Dec. 18, 2024); Initial Disclosure - Jared Barnhart (Exh. S-4) (Dec. 18, 2024); Rebuttal Disclosures - Heather and Jared (Exhs. S-3 through S-5) (Feb. 17, 2025). Their rebuttal disclosures state simply that the Barnharts intend to rebut the expert testimony of Carol Penden, Kevin Penden and Josiah Roloff but need additional information prior to offering rebuttal opinions. Defendant is not challenging these.

'Specifically, their report explains that the gaps in data may be consistent with "cleaning up or using anti-forensic methods to clear evidence." Report, p. 1.

==============================

OKAY, this seems pretty straight forward, right?

But apparently there is some strong speculation that there is more to this testimony than we see in this report.

I have investigated something that is being discussed about these prosecution witnesses.

OK, the defense has complained a few times in various hearings, about the 'vague undefined' report about their upcoming testimony. And it seems the reason they are complaining and asking for more information is that the Barnharts specialise in more than just cellebrite phone data.

They actually are very involved in rooting out DEEP FAKE AI ---specifically cell phone pictures and videos. They designed apps which can verify the meta data in order to recognise phony pictures.

For example celebrities who are falsely accused of doing or saying something ---for example, someone makes an AI photo of them cheating on their spouse.

OK WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?

There is strong speculation about the alibi info originally given about BK being in that Wawhee Park, or whatever it is called...And in the hearing, AT said that BK always takes photos of the night sky when he goes there at night.

It is being said that AT is wanting to know exactly what the Barnharts are going to testify to because the defense allegedly is going to offer the court a PHOTO taken on Nov 13th, 22---and they will say it proves that he was too far away from crime scene

And they say that the meta data on the picture will show, EVEN IF PHONE NOT HOOKED TO WIFI at the time, that he was in that park and not in Moscow.

And so AT wants to prevent the Barnhart's from testifying to the authenticity of the photo.


{Dear Mods---this video is Heather and Jared Barnhart----they are testifying as prosecution experts]

 

[INfisherman]

RSBM
I thought he was in the kitchen, putting the garbage into little plastic bags, with his own separate? Sorry if that's incorrect, it's just what I remember.

I believe the OP was quoting what the defense claimed he was doing in their response to the state’s MIL which was linked in the post. The state claims he was doing as you recall.

From the OCD section of the defense’s response:

OCD can be an independent diagnosis but is also a set of symptomatic behaviors that are
often comorbid in ASD as with Mr. Kohberger’s ASD. Notable for example on the above NIMH
list of behavioral issues commonly associated with ASD, Mr. Kohberger has sleep difficulties and
subsequently developed a habit of night driving or running to decompress, such behaviors being
present most of his life. He also engages in frequent compulsive hand washing, wears gloves to
avoid germs, has a fear of things getting into his eyes, changes his shower curtain frequently to
avoid exposure to mold, and avoids anything he views as contaminating. If the State elicits
testimony at trial related to these types of facts that are used to build circumstantially the elements
of the crime or show Mr. Kohberger’s actions as reflecting his state of mind or other elements of
the crime, he will refute that evidence through expert testimony as behaviors related to his OCD
and his ASD. By way of specific example, the State has continued to claim that Mr. Kohberger
was wearing gloves on the night of his arrest and placing trash in baggies. The State asserts that
this demonstrates that he had consciousness of guilt and was trying either to hide his DNA or
engage in the cleaning of his car. This is highly prejudicial and misleading. Mr. Kohberger
frequently wears gloves to avoid germs on surfaces. He was not cleaning his car on the night of
his arrest, he was awake at night, as is typical for him, and he was cleaning his bathroom.

I wonder if Brybry ever wore gloves to class, if he’s that germaphobic & wishes to avoid anything he views contaminating. Door handles in public places & all. I’m sure that will be an exception from the defense.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

Thanks @wendy44 you are a soldier!

And props to @Warwick7 for getting permission for this video!

10:01 ...he had stalked that place out 23 times at least that we know, he had done more than that, there's some surveillance that shows that some of the days that he was there, he didn't have his phone on. You know, people got hung up and even myself over the stalking, surveilling, whatever definition you want, he didn't have reasons to be in that location within 100 yards...

Oh dear.

10:39 ...and I can guarantee you they've checked his bank records and seen if he was actually shopping...

10:58 ...we talked with the prosecution, we're just like let's make sure we've checked bank records, let's make sure we can define everything that this individual is doing when he was making these trips...you're talking about 23 trips, can that person make a perfect backstory every single time they're driving out there. Sure, some days you can go to Winco and pick up a six-pack but it takes true discipline to do it every single time and I know mistakes were made...

Not surprised about this. Staging is hard to do well, and I think BKs point was not to leave any forensics. Once he was IDed via DNA then everything falls apart.

12:54 ...I think there was multiple times he went there and he thought it was going to be the night and he got frustrated because there was a party or there were some people there and he wasn't allowed to do it so he made a rash decision, you know he he rushed himself and he went and did it...

Again - not surprising. Perhaps Sy Ray has created alibis for the dry runs as well?

24:41 ...I'm trying to help people understand how we know for a fact that JD (KG's boyfriend) isn't involved. there is the whole CAST, went into that neighborhood and people are going to understand that the CAST detail is, though we didn't get some of the timing records, there's still a lot of information that they did get and JD is one of the people where they did get the timing records. Which let you go within feet so they knew when JD's phone was moving. When he was in his bed sleeping and moving around, whether that was under his pillow or was on his blankets or whatever. So they have absolute certainty where JD was that night.

This is where I get mad with people who spend months and years pushing contrarian conspiracies. What is even going on?

 

[sunshineray]

Wouldn't that be something?! A car so clean there was no transfer of DNA from even known passengers. Absence of evidence where there'd the expectation of evidence is evidence....

Who expects a 2015 Elantra to be pristine? No offense to Hyundai but it's not exactly a show car.

No doubt AT wants to show that BK is just always cleaning. If he's not driving around looking at stars, he's cleaning cleaning cleaning. Nothing unusual here. Gloved up, just a natural clean freak.

Maybe so. Still, it's suspicious as heck.

Up in the middle of the night, while home for Christmas (not a 19 year old home on break, but a 28 year old man), he'd found what while everyone sleeps? AT says he was wearing gloves because he was cleaning the bathroom. As one does.

If anything, he was playing goldfish funeral with flushable evidence.

JMO

I really REALLY hope a K family member is set to testify about odd behavior when BK came home that Winter break. LE saw some activities outside the house. I want the jury to be told the inside the house story too.

 

[katydid23]

I believe the OP was quoting what the defense claimed he was doing in their response to the state’s MIL which was linked in the post. The state claims he was doing as you recall.

From the OCD section of the defense’s response:

OCD can be an independent diagnosis but is also a set of symptomatic behaviors that are
often comorbid in ASD as with Mr. Kohberger’s ASD. Notable for example on the above NIMH
list of behavioral issues commonly associated with ASD, Mr. Kohberger has sleep difficulties and
subsequently developed a habit of night driving or running to decompress, such behaviors being
present most of his life. He also engages in frequent compulsive hand washing, wears gloves to
avoid germs, has a fear of things getting into his eyes, changes his shower curtain frequently to
avoid exposure to mold, and avoids anything he views as contaminating. If the State elicits
testimony at trial related to these types of facts that are used to build circumstantially the elements
of the crime or show Mr. Kohberger’s actions as reflecting his state of mind or other elements of
the crime, he will refute that evidence through expert testimony as behaviors related to his OCD
and his ASD. By way of specific example, the State has continued to claim that Mr. Kohberger
was wearing gloves on the night of his arrest and placing trash in baggies. The State asserts that
this demonstrates that he had consciousness of guilt and was trying either to hide his DNA or
engage in the cleaning of his car. This is highly prejudicial and misleading. Mr. Kohberger
frequently wears gloves to avoid germs on surfaces. He was not cleaning his car on the night of
his arrest, he was awake at night, as is typical for him, and he was cleaning his bathroom.

I wonder if Brybry ever wore gloves to class, if he’s that germaphobic & wishes to avoid anything he views contaminating. Door handles in public places & all. I’m sure that will be an exception from the defense.

MOO

All this^^^ is why they desperately wanted to include his Aspergers diagnosis in the Opening Statements. They can explain away everything with that blanket statement.

 

[Zinn]

DBM. Wrong thread.

 

[PinkParis2052]

Post in thread '4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #104'

Apr 16, 2025

I was looking at my timeline. I thought this was interesting. All of which happened on Dec 7, 2022.

Dec 7, 2022 Police appeal to announce to public their interest in talking to driver of White Elantra seen in immediate area of crime at time of crime.

Dec 7, 2022 or after the Ride Share guy (for KG and MM) notified police about BK's car. He only lived 1200 ft from BK.

Dec 7, 2022 police were seen packing up the victims' belongings to return to the families, who had lost so much. It was the police chief behind the wheel of the U-Haul truck.

• Warwick7

• 

"However, he wrote down the car’s Washington state license plate number and submitted a list of 13 or 14 Hyundai Elantras he had spotted sometime around Dec. 10 through the Moscow PD tip line." a quote from the article linked below

'He Lived 1,200 Feet From My Door': Driver Who Brought Idaho Victims Home the Night They Were Killed Is 'Exceptionally Glad' About Suspect's Arrest

"I spent six weeks trying to convince my wife there was not a threat and I was wrong," the ride-share driver, who had brought two of the victims home the night they were killed, told Law&Crime.

lawandcrime.com

 

[INfisherman]

The affidavit shows Kohberger was already on law enforcement’s radar before the ride-share driver submitted his list to police.

'He Lived 1,200 Feet From My Door': Driver Who Brought Idaho Victims Home the Night They Were Killed Is 'Exceptionally Glad' About Suspect's Arrest

"I spent six weeks trying to convince my wife there was not a threat and I was wrong," the ride-share driver, who had brought two of the victims home the night they were killed, told Law&Crime.

lawandcrime.com

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I think that was a trophy to commemorate the occasion. He'd be able to look at that photo and reflect on what he "accomplished."

I forget, did he take that selfie before or after his next morning drive by?

 

[jepop]

Makes his thumbs-up selfie even worse as he was likely congratulating himself not only on murders well done (in his opinion) but a good/thorough cleaning job done (again, in his opinion).

Yeah, I agree & think the thumbs up selfie was probably a 'job well done ' moment memorialised.

But my conjecture was that he may have done some intense, obsessive car cleaning that evening when his phone stops connecting to the network for about 3 hours in that rural area within pinging range of Johnson ID. ( Per PCA).

So his selfie is time stamped 10.30am that morning at his apartment as far as I know. At that point, I kinda think he wouldn't have engaged in much intense car cleaning because day light and neighbour's. Jmo

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Agree. It would be conspicuous in that area,
But the missing minutes on the way to Moscow has a book end of missing minutes leaving Moscow.

I think he had prepared a hiding hole on a rural cross road, and that he went to check on it before he went to Indian Hills, and after the murders dropped his crime bundle in the hole.
He might have retrieved it from there any time or it still could be there.

I also feel like he hid the knife, I 100% believe he would've killed again if he hadn't been caught, and I think he would have used the same knife each time. I definitely think he hid it somewhere that he could easily access it again, and the answer must be in the phone data somewhere, I wonder how far back they would have to go to find the pattern?.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I've said all along that BK is not smart. I've been a university-level educator for a long time, and I've learned that students with good grades are not always endowed with critical thinking or common sense thinking skills. And it's thought that psychopaths have problems with impulse control.

Yeah, 2 of my older kids are adults, 30 and 26, both super smart, way smarter than me, but my husband and I are constantly astounded by their absolute lack of common sense!.

 

[Megnut]

I forget, did he take that selfie before or after his next morning drive by?

Iirc he drove near 1122 King around 9 am, took the selfie at his apartment at 10:31 and was in Lewiston around lunch time (Albertson's, Kate's Cup of Joe).

Smug mug.

JMO

 

[jepop]

I look forward to hearing just HOW Turvey has come to the conclusion that Xana and Ethan were attacked at the same time. Because one person can't go back and forth between two victims? Because a murderer can't use a threat of violence to one victim to control the other victim? *insert eye roll*

Maybe Turvey has watched John Wick once too often.

 

[jepop]

IIRC the Good Vibes light was in M’s room on the third floor in the window overlooking the parking area. X was on the second floor so I think it probably wasn't illuminating where X lay.

But I like your thinking!

I've wondered if there was lighting from the kitchen.

I can't visualize how DM could peek out of her door and see him. She saw him twice. Once when he walked past her door then when he left. I think her door must open to the right.
MOO

There may have been two Good ViBe signs. One in Kaylee's room and one in the lounge area on floor two. Can't really remember details but there a bunch if photos in media thread link at the start of the thread here.

ETA apologies. Am catching up and see this was already addressed!

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Okay, I hit the interesting parts with approximate timestamps so you can go back and watch that portion if you want to. This is all highly paraphrased since we're not doing court record here lol. Unless indicated, it's SG talking or me paraphrasing what he said.

10:01 ...he had stalked that place out 23 times at least that we know, he had done more than that, there's some surveillance that shows that some of the days that he was there, he didn't have his phone on. You know, people got hung up and even myself over the stalking, surveilling, whatever definition you want, he didn't have reasons to be in that location within 100 yards...

10:39 ...and I can guarantee you they've checked his bank records and seen if he was actually shopping...

10:58 ...we talked with the prosecution, we're just like let's make sure we've checked bank records, let's make sure we can define everything that this individual is doing when he was making these trips...you're talking about 23 trips, can that person make a perfect backstory every single time they're driving out there. Sure, some days you can go to Winco and pick up a six-pack but it takes true discipline to do it every single time and I know mistakes were made...

12:54 ...I think there was multiple times he went there and he thought it was going to be the night and he got frustrated because there was a party or there were some people there and he wasn't allowed to do it so he made a rash decision, you know he he rushed himself and he went and did it...

15:34 ...(discussing markings and damages on KG, that there was more to what happened to them) I'll say he struck my daughter, I'll give that out. He punched her...he punched my daughter right in the face...

15:55 ...there's more to it but I got, I'm going to have to sit down with...and make sure I don't say something that's going to play into the case and tie anyone's hands...

17:08 (talking about when they met with the FBI at the satellite office before BK was arrested and they laid out a profile)...it's going to look different than a crime where somebody sneaks in, gets out, doesn't leave a bunch of evidence, a bunch of blood trails out. Early on they said they think this individual picked this community, wouldn't be surprised if he was on Washington side hugging the border. (Talks about Lewis and Clark murders and FBI speculated the area could have been chosen because they don't have a history of IDing their serial killers).

19:03 (talking about how the family had an investigator and early online presence and received a lot of information because of that)

19:25 ...we knew about the sheath before it ever came forward. We knew about the white car day one. (they didn't give out info on certain things because they didn't want fake clues)

24:41 ...I'm trying to help people understand how we know for a fact that JD (KG's boyfriend) isn't involved. there is the whole CAST, went into that neighborhood and people are going to understand that the CAST detail is, though we didn't get some of the timing records, there's still a lot of information that they did get and JD is one of the people where they did get the timing records. Which let you go within feet so they knew when JD's phone was moving. When he was in his bed sleeping and moving around, whether that was under his pillow or was on his blankets or whatever. So they have absolute certainty where JD was that night.

26:46 (this was a little unclear--he refers to grand jury members talking, refers to Blum, some of the other people that are recorded, some things they said)

26:46 ...I remember one of the greatest questions that one of them asked--they asked the judge to verify if he ever had a fishing or a hunting license since he bought the Kbar, since it was delivered to his house, and he didn't (talks in general about the people who will be on the jury are smart and if BK thought they would be a bunch of hillbillies he's mistaken)

28:00 (talking about JD--quiet, never raised his voice or insulted KG, they're planning to spend time together fishing)

29:35 (asked how he found out about the arrest--they called his lawyer Shanon Gray, who called them and sent some pdfs, one of which was the PCA)

31:10 (I'm unclear about this part--something about Andrew Garrett discovery? This had to do with social media connections, was BK following any of the girls, etc.)

31:46 ...it was kind of confusing at the very beginning and I'm sure it was confusing for the investigators because I went in there one day with family and we were like what happened to the LinkedIn, why were you guys into our account? Why did you remove it? (the investigators had no idea what he was talking about and he later on figured out that it was the FBI and that there were two parallel investigations going on, that the FBI wanted clear lines, who would be working on what, and that the feds were working on the stalking angle)

33:48 (there was discussion here about strategy--it seems that SG offered to let them drop the charges for KG and use her as a back-up for a federal prosecution in case something went sideways with the state prosecution. DT, the host, mentioned that BK had crossed state lines to go and park at their residence for at least an hour on one of those nights he had been there. There had been some back and forth between the state and feds about who would take the case and ultimately the FBI felt it was Idaho's case and they should have it)

47:07 ...there was a time where I was trying to be very open about who it was (talking about BK being the killer) but they laid it out in a way that still hasn't come out, there's stuff that is going to literally blow people's mind...

48:00 (talking about alternate suspects and SG said that AT is using the list of tips they, the family, generated before BK was arrested and he was laughing about the irony of that)

50:00 (this was a discussion about a possible tethered phone and vpn and tech stuff that I know some here will find pretty interesting)

53:21 (host asked about him saying that that BK's phone touched the wi-fi at King Road--SG said he knows some stuff that's not public, they were trying to get a hold of records on the router, may have misread what he saw because it would have come out by now)

1:03:52 (talking about stargazing at the park) ...we know exactly all about that park, we've talked to the person that worked at that park, there's cameras at that park...

1:05:12 ...I just thought when that Amazon order went to his door and he's deleting his history and his own family is like what the heck is going on, our brother's like losing his mind...

1:07:17 (talking about the Reddit survey) ...we had people write us letters that were like I was one of the people interviewed and he was obsessed with how I was picking my victims. He was picking victims. This guy said I told him I picked my victims after they called 911 or their neighbors called 911 on them for a noise complaint and the husband or the boyfriend was hauled off to jail. Then he would go and he goes there are certain neighborhoods where they had money, then I would go in there because I knew the male wasn't there and he said BK called him back repeatedly and he said I got the sense that he was really enjoying my stories and how I was telling passed out women butt naked and he went into those and was just like he really liked my story. He really liked that. And then I started wondering, well who was calling 911 on these kids, especially in the daytime in the middle of the day. They're next to a stadium, a football stadium. How do you get a noise complaint in a college town in the daytime. So, you know, maybe you're trying to figure out how long it takes them to show up.

1:08:32 ...if you were to call 911 while there's a party does everybody not come back...and if you get a warning that if we come back here we're going to find you, somebody's going to jail. Might be a time where you want to sneak in or do a little surveillance around that house because that might be the time where you want to go in there because the last thing they want to do is pick up and call 911...

1:13:38 (talking about the ASD diagnosis) ...I heard that came from his mom who went and dug through old records...somebody went and found some of his old records and tried to convince the defense that they could use those to make an excuse for his odd behavior because there's going to be student after student after student to talk about how they had a running tally on this guy of all the weirdness that he was doing and the inappropriate behavior that this guy had...(there's some talk here about an accusation at WSU, an investigation and that he was cleared and maybe why things were being written down)

1:19:19 ...people who talk all this madness about DM, she's been huge to the case, actually massive to the case, and you're going to find out that the late 911 call is actually going to be probably the final nail in his coffin so there's even benefits to the most tragic parts. I mean a late call, if it leads to different evidence then it's a good thing. And I say that knowing my daughter wasn't going to survive.

1:20:21 (talks about the blood evidence, it wasn't all over the place, at least two victims drowned in their own stab wounds and that explains why the blood was contained)

1:21:49 (talking about the knife and other evidence) ...I know some of the background of where they looked and what they were trying to find... (probably buried, the shovel in his car is not one used for snow, it's used for dirt)

1:32:40 (notes that 14 hours after the thumbs up picture he called in sick, only day he ever called in, talked about exclusive knowledge again--if you know about certain parts of a crime before it's made public or maybe before it even happens it's pretty damning)

1:33:25 ...when I say family I believe it's just one sister that was really really helpful...(talking about the knife order) ...somebody was able to tell them exactly when that happened even though the history had been deleted...

1:35:29 ...he had been removed from so many different situations because some girl came forward all the way up to WSU, all the way to WSU they were still, he was still getting away with it, still being able to harass these girls and you know it's a very frustrating thing to see how many failures led to your daughter's death...

1:38:26 (talking about the exclusive knowledge gained from the late 911 call again) ...he felt very confident to return to that scene at 9:00 right? I wonder why he felt so confident...


Anyone can feel free to copy and paste and fill in gaps.

And at 1:04:04, SG mentions that BK has no "star apps" on his phone. No constellation apps, of which there are several free ones. So he goes star gazing but doesn't have an app that helps you identify the constellation you are looking at? BS!

 

[jepop]

I think you're right. I just wonder if he didn't get tangled up or turned around or re-routed due to unexpected construction and had to map his way home, turning his phone on earlier than he had planned.

I don't much have the mind of a criminal, but I would have thought that someone with a vested interest like BK would have turned his phone off and back on at the same location in order to make it look like that's where the phone stayed. Guessing he didn't know that digital forensics can tell if a phone goes off, when and how, though. So, even if he had tried to stage his phone as an alibi, the actions of turning it on and off would been obvious as all get out. Still, it could have created a temporary appearance of having gone out of cell tower reaches if he were running or star gazing or saving small furries from crocogators in a fixed location that was anywhere but where he actually was.

Wherever he left the weapon, I'll be shocked if we learn he never, not even once, returned to fondle it.

JMO

Jmo, but I don't think the timeline of his trip home from 4.48am (Blaine Ping) to 5.25am Johnson Road Pullman allows for him to have actually gone to Blaine itself.. Imo, he pinged off the tower that serves Blaine when he was adjacent to it on Highway 95 heading south.

Based on PCA it seems to me he probably arrived on Palouse Drive south of 1122 King Road at around 4.21 to 4.22am. From there I don't think he crossed highway 95/ Main St to the other side of Palouse drive *which would take him directly to the back road heading south to Blaine, and I don't think he turned directly south onto 95. That's just conjecture but is based on some court filings I read a ways back which suggest there may have been no video footage of elantra on cameras at the intersection of 95 and Palouse and the businesses on that section of 95 (will post links later if I can refind) for the relevant time frame (4.21ish to say 4.23/24?).

ICBW.I know at one point I believed he did take the back road to Blaine off Palouse east, then emerged from there onto 95 at c 4.48am but something made me change my mind.

My current theory is he went west on Palouse onto Sand Road, then South East on Snow Road, turning on his phone when he hit 95 where it runs adjacent to Blaine. Moo