4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Could BK have been aware of the police call outs to the house and / or have sighted the officer body cam footage? Is that public access information? Could he have heard tell of the noisy student party household from a member of local police he'd befriended maybe or perhaps from a local resident?

Perhaps he had targeted 'the house' - as was initially suggested by detectives - after becoming aware of this method from one of his questionnaire respondents. I don't think BK was calling the police on the house but perhaps he had come to know it was a party household which could be considered 'problematic' - maybe from overhearing discussions or maybe from knowing local neighbours (there was the one young man who gave interviews about noisy student households) or perhaps from befriending a member of local LE?

If police attending noisy parties issued the students a warning that they will a) come back and serve a fine / legal notice on the residents; b) report them to their college admin or 'houses'; c) investigation under-age drinking or worse, check for recreational drugs; this would have built a circumspect and fearful mistrusting relationship between the students and LE. Also the students playing silly games when trying to fob off the police could have meant LE saw them as problematic.

Maybe BK leaned into the circumstances of the household and went from there?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

It really makes me upset that lawyers think because BK was/is on the Spectrum he couldn't have committed the murders in XK's room alone, so it wasn't him. He was a trained boxer, which train for dodging ability and footwork, armed with a commando knife designed for hand to hand combat and as a utility tool. My Dad carried one as a Bushmaster in WW2, jungle warfare in the Pacific. It's a very destructive weapon. EC had no chance and XK even less of one, my stricken opinion

I know it's been discussed a lot but I don't see how even if BK is on the ASD Spectrum, Level 1, high functioning autism, would mean that he cannot have committed this crime.

At best it could explain an obsessive engagement with a subject or notion that became a focal point of all his thinking, at the cost of the bigger picture and creating a form of tunnel vision drive.
All of that would simply explain part of the process of his systemizing and processing style.
It wouldn't mean he didn't have a murderous violent criminal side to his personality and is either 'innocent' or 'incapable'.

I think it's highly possible / probably that BK genuinely meets the criteria for ASD on various grounds but that doesn't mean people with ASD usually go around harming people, quite the opposite. So it would mean that he had a far more serious more up front condition that was driving his actions and although he may also have ASD, this is not the cause of crime, not an explanation of the crime, and certainly doesn't excuse him from it. He must have co-morbid cluster B along the lines of antisocial personality disorder.

JMO MOO

 

[Miss Poovy]

There’s a concept/condition under ambidexterity called mixed handedness (cross dominance) which is the preference for one hand but the ability to use the other hand for certain tasks. After numerous co-workers and acquaintances stated, I didn’t know you were left handed & I answer, I’m not, I had to learned about this concept. My Dad & my brothers are left handed, but my Mom & the daughters are right handed. Dining out, females on one side of the table, males on the other! My maternal grandmother was truly ambidextrous. I naturally learned to do some things left handed. Examples: driving, using a calculator or adding machine, ironing, vacuuming, kicking left footed, opening a can, opening a door with a key, typing this post on my phone . . . Folks have sometimes put me to the left-handness test: I can eat left-handed, but can only write cursive better than average. People say with a little practice I bet you could that left handed! Not sure why I would practice being left handed when I could be using my time on Websleuths. Plus, these tasks do not feel natural left-handed nor would I unconsciously eat or write left handed. I know, an exciting conversation.

 

[Megnut]

It really makes me upset that lawyers think because BK was/is on the Spectrum he couldn't have committed the murders in XK's room alone, so it wasn't him. He was a trained boxer, which train for dodging ability and footwork, armed with a commando knife designed for hand to hand combat and as a utility tool. My Dad carried one as a Bushmaster in WW2, jungle warfare in the Pacific. It's a very destructive weapon. EC had no chance and XK even less of one, my stricken opinion

I'm with you. It's offensive.

And he has no trouble with the keystrokes to delete history. No trouble managing multiple banking options. No trouble operating a car (though he disagrees with a lot of driving customs and laws). No trouble driving at night, getting fuel, keeping up with tabs, plates, DMV rules and deadlines. No trouble differentiating between fiberful and fiber-free crime scene protection. No trouble running, boxing, buttoning shirts.

He is quite capable, as his own history attests. Morally bankrupt but still fully capable of rather advanced adulting.

He may test for ASD-L1 but IMO it's his cluster of personality flaws that drives his bus.

Tailgaiting notwithstanding.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

He was saying that when he met with the FBI after the murders but before the arrest, they gave him a profile of the killer and said that the scene was different than one they would normally find with domestic violence where the victims know their killer, and who typically leaves a bunch of evidence and blood trails out of the house. This was someone who snuck in and out and didn't leave much of a trace.

KG's family was adamant from the beginning that her boyfriend had nothing to do with this. Now we know that even before all the evidence was back, DM saw the person on his way out and she knew it wasn't JD.
JMO

Yes!! I do remember hearing him say that!

 

[Warwick7]

 

[Boxer]

Could BK have been aware of the police call outs to the house and / or have sighted the officer body cam footage? Is that public access information? Could he have heard tell of the noisy student party household from a member of local police he'd befriended maybe or perhaps from a local resident?

Perhaps he had targeted 'the house' - as was initially suggested by detectives - after becoming aware of this method from one of his questionnaire respondents. I don't think BK was calling the police on the house but perhaps he had come to know it was a party household which could be considered 'problematic' - maybe from overhearing discussions or maybe from knowing local neighbours (there was the one young man who gave interviews about noisy student households) or perhaps from befriending a member of local LE?

If police attending noisy parties issued the students a warning that they will a) come back and serve a fine / legal notice on the residents; b) report them to their college admin or 'houses'; c) investigation under-age drinking or worse, check for recreational drugs; this would have built a circumspect and fearful mistrusting relationship between the students and LE. Also the students playing silly games when trying to fob off the police could have meant LE saw them as problematic.

Maybe BK leaned into the circumstances of the household and went from there?

Worked like a charm if he was aware. The roommates were indeed wary of calling the police.

 

[Miss Poovy]

I'm with you. It's offensive.

And he has no trouble with the keystrokes to delete history. No trouble managing multiple banking options. No trouble operating a car (though he disagrees with a lot of driving customs and laws). No trouble driving at night, getting fuel, keeping up with tabs, plates, DMV rules and deadlines. No trouble differentiating between fiberful and fiber-free crime scene protection. No trouble running, boxing, buttoning shirts.

He is quite capable, as his own history attests. Morally bankrupt but still fully capable of rather advanced adulting.

He may test for ASD-L1 but IMO it's his cluster of personality flaws that drives his bus.

Tailgaiting notwithstanding.

JMO

I agree, I think some confuse ASD-L1 with his obsession/desire to successfully murder someone. I’ve noticed there’s also a focus on OCD, but we know people with OCD tendencies that may drive others wild, but they don’t kill anyone. I had a neighbor (years ago) who bought a house across the street from me. He had moved from a smaller one bedroom apartment & he was moving back to a similar apartment. I was standing in his virtually empty living room & he said he couldn’t take having so many things, he needed the physical space confinement. He lived in the house two years & the only unusual thing I noticed was he removed small pieces of grass from minute sidewalk cracks & used some type of filler on the sidewalk. Otherwise, he seemed completely normal.

 

[Miss Poovy]

I'm with you. It's offensive.

And he has no trouble with the keystrokes to delete history. No trouble managing multiple banking options. No trouble operating a car (though he disagrees with a lot of driving customs and laws). No trouble driving at night, getting fuel, keeping up with tabs, plates, DMV rules and deadlines. No trouble differentiating between fiberful and fiber-free crime scene protection. No trouble running, boxing, buttoning shirts.

He is quite capable, as his own history attests. Morally bankrupt but still fully capable of rather advanced adulting.

He may test for ASD-L1 but IMO it's his cluster of personality flaws that drives his bus.

Tailgaiting notwithstanding.

JMO

The driving, eek! I would be so glad I wasn’t getting a ticket, but he just can’t overcome the compulsion.

 

[gremlin444]

Kind of a random question..

I'm bad at estimating heights. Does anyone have a good read on how tall Kaylee was? It's relevant to a thought I just had.

 

[Arkay]

I'm with you. It's offensive.

And he has no trouble with the keystrokes to delete history. No trouble managing multiple banking options. No trouble operating a car (though he disagrees with a lot of driving customs and laws). No trouble driving at night, getting fuel, keeping up with tabs, plates, DMV rules and deadlines. No trouble differentiating between fiberful and fiber-free crime scene protection. No trouble running, boxing, buttoning shirts.

All of this. Plus so much more.

For instance, his (IMO, janky and not very intellectual) questionnaire.

Whether he had handwritten it, or certainly used a keyboard to type it and send it out, those are fine motor skills. Grading papers and writing comments—-fine motor.

Using a cell phone? Taking pictures? Fine motor.

The little boy who allegedly struggled with shoelaces and forming his numerals had apparently outgrown at least these traits.

In the social realm, yes, there I would agree with him having aspects of ASD.

I do cringe when the defense tries to weasel him out of trouble by ascribing to him afflictions he apparently does not have.

IMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Could BK have been aware of the police call outs to the house and / or have sighted the officer body cam footage? Is that public access information? Could he have heard tell of the noisy student party household from a member of local police he'd befriended maybe or perhaps from a local resident?

Perhaps he had targeted 'the house' - as was initially suggested by detectives - after becoming aware of this method from one of his questionnaire respondents. I don't think BK was calling the police on the house but perhaps he had come to know it was a party household which could be considered 'problematic' - maybe from overhearing discussions or maybe from knowing local neighbours (there was the one young man who gave interviews about noisy student households) or perhaps from befriending a member of local LE?

If police attending noisy parties issued the students a warning that they will a) come back and serve a fine / legal notice on the residents; b) report them to their college admin or 'houses'; c) investigation under-age drinking or worse, check for recreational drugs; this would have built a circumspect and fearful mistrusting relationship between the students and LE. Also the students playing silly games when trying to fob off the police could have meant LE saw them as problematic.

Maybe BK leaned into the circumstances of the household and went from there?

Too risky involving the police.

I think the last thing he would do is create a record of his voice tying him to that specific house.

Police keep meticulous records, the noise complaint will be filed somewhere.

When I call the police's non-emergency number where I live, they record the call plus ask alot of questions.
Be prepared to tell them which exact neighbor you are and your address and what is your proximity to the house in question? Your phone number, details about your complaint, etc....

BK kept a distance, slouching around in the middle of the night under the cover of darkness - his MO.
I do not see him out of his "comfort zone."

2 Cents

 

[SortaSleuthy]

There’s a concept/condition under ambidexterity called mixed handedness (cross dominance) which is the preference for one hand but the ability to use the other hand for certain tasks. After numerous co-workers and acquaintances stated, I didn’t know you were left handed & I answer, I’m not, I had to learned about this concept. My Dad & my brothers are left handed, but my Mom & the daughters are right handed. Dining out, females on one side of the table, males on the other! My maternal grandmother was truly ambidextrous. I naturally learned to do some things left handed. Examples: driving, using a calculator or adding machine, ironing, vacuuming, kicking left footed, opening a can, opening a door with a key, typing this post on my phone . . . Folks have sometimes put me to the left-handness test: I can eat left-handed, but can only write cursive better than average. People say with a little practice I bet you could that left handed! Not sure why I would practice being left handed when I could be using my time on Websleuths. Plus, these tasks do not feel natural left-handed nor would I unconsciously eat or write left handed. I know, an exciting conversation.

The teen next door was my mentor. He was left handed so I bat left and throw a baseball, football and bowl left. Also I do swinging tasks left … like an axe. I’m ambi in using tools but right handed for everything else.

 

[Boxer]

That could be. But SG made a point to say it was because feds couldn't pursue the death penalty. And Idaho could.

MOO the Fed does have the death penalty, but its a lot harder to get and Idaho most definitely has the DP ready for appropriate crimes.

 

[Boxer]

It really makes me upset that lawyers think because BK was/is on the Spectrum he couldn't have committed the murders in XK's room alone, so it wasn't him. He was a trained boxer, which train for dodging ability and footwork, armed with a commando knife designed for hand to hand combat and as a utility tool. My Dad carried one as a Bushmaster in WW2, jungle warfare in the Pacific. It's a very destructive weapon. EC had no chance and XK even less of one, my stricken opinion

Agree.
MOO the defense needs to express their "belief in his innocence" as it the law, and their role within the court that he is so, until evidence is presented in court and a jury of his peers tries the facts to a reach a verdict.
But I think everyone involved can see the evidence and infer its meaning.

 

[SteveP]

Kind of a random question..

I'm bad at estimating heights. Does anyone have a good read on how tall Kaylee was? It's relevant to a thought I just had.

I am only basing this on a photo of her standing next to DM, who I believe has stated that she is 5'10, when describing height of masked intruder. Based strictly on that, I would guess Kaylee was maybe 5'3 to 5'5", but my read may be no better than yours. DM is blurred out pic on far left, not standing completely erect. For further reference, Ethan was 6'4".

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/community/boise/article268777972.html

 

[gremlin444]

That could be. But SG made a point to say it was because feds couldn't pursue the death penalty. And Idaho could.

I was listening to the video right now and just got to this point. Just to clarify, SG didn't say that the feds COULDN'T pursue the death penalty:

"I know one thing that they told me was um don't expect the death penalty if it goes federal."

 

[Ghostwheel]

We have studied and speculated about bruising, punching someone in the face would likely bruise those knuckles imo, punching people in the face generally hurts.

ETA That should say studied the photo!

And of course, we have seen ONE photo from that day. Are there more? I would say yes.

 

[Ghostwheel]

He was allegedly trained, somewhat, how to punch. There is a proper way to punch someone which minimizes potential hand injuries. Anyone who has trained in boxing or martial arts would likely be given this information in week one, proper way to make a fist, thumb placement & area of fist on which to focus the actual punch (usually first 2 knuckles of index & middle fingers).

If he punched while holding the knife handle, this might somewhat solidify the punch.

JMO

Following up on this, he might have even taped his hands beforehand. Throw a set of whatever gloves he was wearing over that and not likely to bruise at all. That mark on his thumb made me think of taped hands.

But in my mind (and please forgive the graphic ), a well placed pommel/heel strike would hit with the butt end of the knife AND the fist at the same time. If the blade were held in the down position, then an upper strike with the hand would combine fist and handle end, if the knife were held upwards, a downward strike would also combine end and fist. Depending on a person's position, it would be a staggering blow at the very least. I could see KG trying to fight back, maybe already wounded and to her knees, and an upper cut to a head bent down trying to protect herself would have hit square on the face with a hard piece of metal. JMO. Many other ways to be "punched in the face", but that is what I was thinking way back when SG said "There’s evidence to show that she awakened and tried to get out of that situation, [but] she was assaulted and stabbed". (September 2023)

As an anecdote, I use the pommel/heel as a hammer with any knife built like the KaBar. It will pound in tent stakes like nobody's business.

 

[Warwick7]

I was listening to the video right now and just got to this point. Just to clarify, SG didn't say that the feds COULDN'T pursue the death penalty:

"I know one thing that they told me was um don't expect the death penalty if it goes federal."

I know I'm a bit wet behind the ears...but isn't that the same?