4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[Cool Cats]

Ugh, a big pic of him

Good view of his prominent eyebrow ridge which contributes to the bushy eyebrow affect.

 

[mpnola]

lol, an hour and 14 minutes in I have to give up. He is quite fond of himself, huh?

You can go to his Videos tab and watch just the information. He does a multi hour live, but he also does condensed information under Videos. They are quite well done, without the side talking.

 

[schooling]

Transfer DNA.
JMO

Can you define non-transfer DNA for us?

 

[INfisherman]

Can you define non-transfer DNA for us?

Get out of my head.

Single source, if I’m not mistaken.

 

[schooling]

I think

Get out of my head.

Single source, if I’m not mistaken.

I feel like single source is another one of those terms that’s become weaponized based on the way that you’re leaning. As, like ‘transfer’, it’s often (MOO) associated with incomplete profiles.

They pulled a full blown male profile that matched BK 5 quintillion (prosecutors said it, not me) to one.

Expanding our search for the next most likely offender to the nearest 3 or 4 Universes.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

2 year old article, apparently we've known for a long time he called in sick on that Monday. I'd forgotten that detail.

Embedded bodycam footage of the execution of the search warrant for his apartment if anyone is interested in(re)watching.

Bryan Kohberger Missed Class Day After Idaho Murders, Claims Classmate

In an interview with ABC News' "The King Road Killings," a fellow grad student at Washington State University describes Bryan Kohberger as “sometimes rude and condescending,” and capable of becoming angry over “seemingly minor issues."

www.insideedition.com

 

[Nila Aella]

Can you define non-transfer DNA for us?

<modsnip>
I used transfer because of what the Judge said in his order on Touch/Contact.
Touch/Contact/Trace vs Blood/urine/saliva/sperm.
JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

2 year old article, apparently we've known for a long time he called in sick on that Monday. I'd forgotten that detail.

Embedded bodycam footage of the execution of the search warrant for his apartment if anyone is interested in(re)watching.

Bryan Kohberger Missed Class Day After Idaho Murders, Claims Classmate

In an interview with ABC News' "The King Road Killings," a fellow grad student at Washington State University describes Bryan Kohberger as “sometimes rude and condescending,” and capable of becoming angry over “seemingly minor issues."

www.insideedition.com

Thanks! Was looking for this information.

 

[iamshadow21]

Okay, folks.

Transfer is what is sounds like. It is literally DNA being transferred from one place to another. This can be directly or indirectly. It can be a primary or secondary transfer.

DNA transfer in forensic science: A review

Understanding the variables impacting DNA transfer, persistence, prevalence and recovery (DNA-TPPR) has become increasingly relevant in investigations…

www.sciencedirect.com

Transfer DNA is literally just DNA that has moved from a person to a thing or another person or an environment. It can be composed of any biological material containing DNA, not just blood, semen, etc.

MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

I think

I feel like single source is another one of those terms that’s become weaponized based on the way that you’re leaning. As, like ‘transfer’, it’s often (MOO) associated with incomplete profiles.

They pulled a full blown male profile that matched BK 5 quintillion (prosecutors said it, not me) to one.

Expanding our search for the next most likely offender to the nearest 3 or 4 Universes.

MOO

There has been a few documents talking about what a likelihood ratio is.

Statistical MIL
In grandjury testimony, Jade Miller testified as to the results oftesting done on Item Q1.1, the sheath strap and inner snap. The statistic reported by the lab is a likelihood ratio (LR). Miller testified that the LR compares the probability of the evidence, meaning the DNA profile obtained, and comparing two different hypotheses. GJ Transcript at 368 Id Miller reported the statistic for this comparison, but the State posed the following question to Miller Miller responded © Id From Miller's answer to this question, it is clear that the comparison to the world population is not an appropriate or scientific way to discuss the LR.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Motion-inLimine-14-RE-Statistical-Anaylsis.pdf

Judge Order
I. Defendant's MIL #14 re: Statistical Analysis Defendant moves in limine to exclude any misleading comments about the meaning ofa "likelihood ratio" for DNA purposes. Specifically, Defendant seeks to avoid attempts to define likelihood ratio through a comparison to the world population.® The State agrees that this type of comparison is inappropriate. The Court GRANTS Defendant's motion insofar as it applies to the question asked by the prosecutor at the grand jury proceedings, which both sides agree was not proper. However, the Court will not dictate how the question is to be asked at trial. If Defendant believes there is a similar misrepresentation as to the likelihood ratio at trial, he can object at that time.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/041825+Order+Memorializing+Oral+Rulings+on+Motions+in+Limine.pdf

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

There has been a few documents talking about what a likelihood ratio is.

Statistical MIL
In grandjury testimony, Jade Miller testified as to the results oftesting done on Item Q1.1, the sheath strap and inner snap. The statistic reported by the lab is a likelihood ratio (LR). Miller testified that the LR compares the probability of the evidence, meaning the DNA profile obtained, and comparing two different hypotheses. GJ Transcript at 368 Id Miller reported the statistic for this comparison, but the State posed the following question to Miller Miller responded © Id From Miller's answer to this question, it is clear that the comparison to the world population is not an appropriate or scientific way to discuss the LR.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Motion-inLimine-14-RE-Statistical-Anaylsis.pdf

Judge Order
I. Defendant's MIL #14 re: Statistical Analysis Defendant moves in limine to exclude any misleading comments about the meaning ofa "likelihood ratio" for DNA purposes. Specifically, Defendant seeks to avoid attempts to define likelihood ratio through a comparison to the world population.® The State agrees that this type of comparison is inappropriate. The Court GRANTS Defendant's motion insofar as it applies to the question asked by the prosecutor at the grand jury proceedings, which both sides agree was not proper. However, the Court will not dictate how the question is to be asked at trial. If Defendant believes there is a similar misrepresentation as to the likelihood ratio at trial, he can object at that time.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/041825+Order+Memorializing+Oral+Rulings+on+Motions+in+Limine.pdf

JMO

Not going to help the defense even if they object to the form of the question. DNA with a single source male match to BK in unimaginable statical odds will be a big hit with the jury, rightly so IMO.

jmo

 

[Nila Aella]

Okay, folks.

Transfer is what is sounds like. It is literally DNA being transferred from one place to another. This can be directly or indirectly. It can be a primary or secondary transfer.

DNA transfer in forensic science: A review

Understanding the variables impacting DNA transfer, persistence, prevalence and recovery (DNA-TPPR) has become increasingly relevant in investigations…

www.sciencedirect.com

Transfer DNA is literally just DNA that has moved from a person to a thing or another person or an environment. It can be composed of any biological material containing DNA, not just blood, semen, etc.

MOO

True.
The Judges order
However, the Court requests that the parties instruct their witnesses to avoid use of terms "touch DNA", "contact DNA" and "trace DNA."

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/041825+Order+on+Defendants+Motion+in+Limine+RE+Rylene+Nowlin+and+Touch+and+Contact+DNA.pdf

During the hearing, the Judge requested the parties decide what term to use.
What term is left?
BB used the term transfer during the hearing.
Maybe they will add skin cells as a descriptor?

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Not going to help the defense even if they object to the form of the question. DNA with a single source male match to BK in unimaginable statical odds will be a big hit with the jury, rightly so IMO.

jmo

Especially with the incredible amount of corroboration. This isn't a case where the DNA has issues, because other pieces don't fit - they couldn't fit more perfectly here (knife purchase, car, car movements, cell phone powering down, etc).

 

[Megnut]

Of course, BK's DNA was transferred to the sheath. That's how it got there. And he's not only the obvious one who transferred it there, the evidence bears it out.

Someone with a car like his was seen circling the neighborhood for almost an hour.

Someone with brybrows like him (with the same tall, lean, athletic build) was seen in the house.

He bought a knife with a sheath, just like what was used in the murders and left at the scene.

His phone was off during the exact time frame.

No evidence anyone else at any time had access to BK's knife or sheath.

Solid conclusion: BK transferred his own DNA onto the sheath, and BK transported the sheath to the crime scene where it was left behind.

That it was stupid, well, that's another matter entirely.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

2 year old article, apparently we've known for a long time he called in sick on that Monday. I'd forgotten that detail.

Embedded bodycam footage of the execution of the search warrant for his apartment if anyone is interested in(re)watching.

Bryan Kohberger Missed Class Day After Idaho Murders, Claims Classmate

In an interview with ABC News' "The King Road Killings," a fellow grad student at Washington State University describes Bryan Kohberger as “sometimes rude and condescending,” and capable of becoming angry over “seemingly minor issues."

www.insideedition.com

Wowzers! I just don't remember that. SG said BK had never called in sick before.

 

[Megnut]

Wowzers! I just don't remember that. SG said BK had never called in sick before.

Know what else? Calling in sick -- complex, executive function.

BK knows the rules, knows how to follow them...

And knew, on 11/13, he broke all of them.

JMO

 

[SteveP]

Wowzers! I just don't remember that. SG said BK had never called in sick before.

He probably needed to stay home and sleep. Would be interesting to know, and we may learn, how much time he spent at home between midnight Friday night and 8 am Monday morning. I think the day before, kept him awake, anticipating what he was going to do, maybe even doing a trial run, the excitement of it all, like a kid who can't sleep on Christmas Eve. I bet there was very little time at home, for sleep that weekend, either before or after the killings, and when he was home, he was probably glued to a tv or computer/phone, trying to find any and all coverage of the murders. That missing sheath probably kept him awake too. JMO

 

[Megnut]

He probably needed to stay home and sleep. Would be interesting to know, and we may learn, how much time he spent at home between midnight Friday night and 8 am Monday morning. I think the day before, kept him awake, going through final plans, and anticipating the excitement of it all, like a kid who can't sleep on Christmas Eve. I bet it there was very little time for sleep that weekend, and when he was home, he was probably glued to a tv or computer/phone, trying to find any and all coverage of the murders. That missing sheath probably kept him awake too. JMO

If BK wrapped the knife in, say, a t-shirt, and that's what DM identified as "like a handheld vacuum, he might not have been aware he didn't have the sheath. The knife would have been very bloody, the sheath was probably far from his mind, more concerned with getting the H out of there.

Once outside, in stripping out of his killsuit, he still might not have been thinking about the sheath. Wrapping the t-shirt, knife, coveralls into a tight ball, throwing it into his killbag and into the lined trunk, then discarded in the forest/river. I'd love to see his face the moment he realized he left it behind and LE had it. Along with his DNA.

Except I reaaaaaaaaally don't want to see his face.

He scares me.

JMO

 

[dkaras]

True.
The Judges order
However, the Court requests that the parties instruct their witnesses to avoid use of terms "touch DNA", "contact DNA" and "trace DNA."

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/041825+Order+on+Defendants+Motion+in+Limine+RE+Rylene+Nowlin+and+Touch+and+Contact+DNA.pdf

During the hearing, the Judge requested the parties decide what term to use.
What term is left?
BB used the term transfer during the hearing.
Maybe they will add skin cells as a descriptor?

JMO

RBBM..

How about just "DNA". No need to use "transfer" or "touch" or "contact" or "trace"

For example, "There was DNA on the knife sheath. This DNA was from a single-source and male that matched the defendant 1 in octillions." How's that?

Single-source = one source
1 in octillions = one out of everybody on the planet and other planets too.

??

 

[Kudzuu]

And moreover, who think, their little boy (which is maybe when intense therapy could have helped) would go on to murder 4?

Given that one (or both?) of his sister’s are in the therapy space, it would be really interesting to hear their perspective.

MOO

IMO There's some dysfunctional stuff going on in that family. And I have noticed an only boy child is often momma's little prince. Just sayin'. My experience with men in life. "My lil Bry would never do this!"