4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

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I sorta think BK is able to compartmentalize the killings, irrational, murderous thoughts etc. & I think he can bring them forward for his pleasure or how smart he is, but he may also put him in the back of his mind for storage, if needed. It’s not that I don’t think he is evil, but it seems like he does that on occasion. If anything I could point out in the mugshot, his hair is looking pretty good.

@MassGuy said that BK's psychologist said that he was highly distracted by sounds or activity occurring around him, and as a result she had to repeat instructions to him.

His photo looks like jail suits him and maybe he thrives in the extremely regimented world of living behind bars.
 
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The defense continues to try and create a false equivalency between an incomplete profile and a complete profile.

Out of that entire filing this was the only thing that managed to stick.

5 Quintillion or not the implications are clear for BK. Any reasonable juror will see that.

MOO
I agree, but you really have to watch defense attorneys on scientific questions. I worked with a microbiology-immunologist (MIT PhD with years of wet lab experience, totally not aware of popular culture) & asked him about the DNA mixed blood results in the OJ trial. He was totally mystified by how the mixed DNA was presented to the jury & the prosecution couldn’t recover from it. Of course, that science has come a long way or as the young folks used to say, at least it’s not as snoresville.
 
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I would worry about these people and imagine they're young and / or exceptionally vulnerable and maybe profoundly mentally ill. Do their letters get passed to the prisoners in question? It's really disturbing.

Firstly, I don't think serial killers and the like should be able to entertain themselves with receiving 'fan mail' all day long, secondly it's potentially really dangerous for the sender depending how things unfold. I suppose it's a prisoner's right to receive mail from a sender but perhaps these letters should be withheld. Also the senders should be traced and looked into maybe?

There's a youtuber who applied for copies of all the communication back and forth to recent convict Sarah Boone (suitcase murderer), so it's recorded and could also be public information. She called them her 'fans' from all around the world and even hoped they'd crowdfund her. Apologies for going off topic but these matters are truly shocking to me!

Does BK get to write back one wonders? Anyone intelligent and creative could groom all sorts of people to do all sorts of things, least of all sending money transfers and admissible gifts. Wow.
It was in the media that Luigi had to ask folks to stop sending because it was too hard on the prison mailroom employees.
 
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@MassGuy said that BK's psychologist said that he was highly distracted by sounds or activity occurring around him, and as a result she had to repeat instructions to him.

His photo looks like jail suits him and maybe he thrives in the extremely regimented world of living behind bars.

IMO prison could suit some people well if they can't cope well in the outside world. And if they've committed horrific crimes then everyone is OK with that!
 
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There is a photo of Maddie's room that shows fairy lights that are strung around her closet entrance, just a few feet from her bed. There is also another fairy light right near that. Many young adults and teens tend to leave their fairy lights on all night.

IMHO, when Dylan thought she heard Kaylee playing with the dog, she was referring to sounds that she interpreted as Murphy bounding around and Kaylee walking. Likely what she was hearing was the sounds of the attack right above her as BK walked around the side of the bed and Kaylee repeatedly thumping against the wall next to her as she she was attacked.
Can you redirect me to these photos? Because from what I remember from back in the day looking at the initial papparazi pics, Maddie's room was pretty dark and only Kaylee's was lit up. I don't doubt you on that, though, it's highly likely her room had the same type of style as Kaylee's. As far as what Dylan was referring to, that is certainly up to interpretation until the trial. But we know the dog was barking at 4:17 AM for one, but what really leads me to believe the dog was already barking is that Dylan thought it was Kaylee playing with her dog. Now Kaylee's room wasn't the one above Dylan's, that was Maddie's. And she specifically said she thought it was Kaylee and didn't really mention Maddie. Unless she knew at the time they slept together, which I have no reason to believe because Dylan came and went to sleep earlier, how would she know it was the dog and not a million of other different things that might cause noise? Like Maddie being drunk or being with her boyfriend, I don't know
 
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Kaylee's room seems it would have been well lit with the 'good times' sign. Maddie's room doesn't particularly seem well lit, so it probably would have been dark.

Well, obviously Kaylee's parents would know best what kind of dog Murphy is outside of Jack and Kaylee, but the prosecution in their affidavit did indeed confirm the dog was heard to be barking at the time of the murders from a nearby camera next to the residence. It could also be another dog, but I would find that to be a pretty big coincidence. And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Dylan's testimony say that she thought Kaylee was playing with her dog, implying that it was probably barking amid the noise? She might have just assumed it is because Kaylee or Maddie wouldn't raise noise otherwise, but given the situation she probably came to the conclusion it had something to do with the dog because she also heard the dog in the process.

He had 3 opportunities to try DM's door. On the way up the first time, on the way down the second time and on the way out outside the house the third time. You're right, we can't know whether he tried it the first, but we can easily speculate he didn't try it based on the circumstantial evidence. First, because he didn't try it the other two times he passed through the door when Dylan was actually awake. Second, he didn't try it with Xana's door, he also didn't even go there even though technically it's a closer victim than going upstairs. It's unlikely he thought the second floor was unoccupied. I mean, given what we know, he's stalked the house a bunch of time already. He also didn't try going to the first given that if he did, he would have been face to face with Xana much earlier. The only logical conclusion would be that he comes in, goes directly to the third floor to Maddie's room which he has been observing, finds that someone else is there and the crime goes awry and he has to raise a lot of noise to subdue Kaylee who has woken up from him killing Maddie, goes down, stumbles on Xana somewhere around the kitchen or the living room who has also heard the ruckus on the third floor, decides he has to silence her in order to escape, and then he finds Ethan while she runs back to her room trying to escape. Quickly attacks and kills him on the bed given he is the largest threat and then proceeds to finish off Xana before leaving. The question here is whether he sees Dylan and leaves for whatever reason or doesn't notice her due to his tunnel vision and trying to escape as quickly as possible at this point.
I find just as logical that (had he just wanted any victim) he would have tried the one room where he would not be near any other room or pass by any other room. But that would be assuming no specific victim, just wanting to try getting in and out. Think about it, if DMs door had not been locked, in, kill, out-easy door access, disturb no one else. When I remove any bias I have, that one makes sense for non specific victim. But no access, so go elsewhere.
 
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Can you redirect me to these photos? Because from what I remember from back in the day looking at the initial papparazi pics, Maddie's room was pretty dark and only Kaylee's was lit up. I don't doubt you on that, though, it's highly likely her room had the same type of style as Kaylee's. As far as what Dylan was referring to, that is certainly up to interpretation until the trial. But we know the dog was barking at 4:17 AM for one, but what really leads me to believe the dog was already barking is that Dylan thought it was Kaylee playing with her dog. Now Kaylee's room wasn't the one above Dylan's, that was Maddie's. And she specifically said she thought it was Kaylee and didn't really mention Maddie. Unless she knew at the time they slept together, which I have no reason to believe because Dylan came and went to sleep earlier, how would she know it was the dog and not a million of other different things that might cause noise? Like Maddie being drunk or being with her boyfriend, I don't know
It was confirmed that a dog could be heard barking, numerous times, starting at 4:17, picked up on neighbor's audio, but I do not believe it was ever confirmed that it was Murphy, and the dog barking was reported to have continued for 30 minutes, IIRC. If Murphy had continued to bark for 30 minutes, I believe, in light of what they learned after calling 911, that DM or BF would have mentioned that, as it may have been an important thing to tell investigators, but as far as we know, neither did. DM only mentioned thinking Kaylee was playing with the dog earlier. If the dog that was barking was outside, as some have suggested, he may have been barking at BK leaving the house and changing out of his killing attire quickly, before speeding away. Also, LE can, and I'm sure have analyzed the audio recording, and have likely been able to determine if the dog barking was coming from inside the house or outside. It may have been Murphy, barking, but this is likely just one more thing that we may not know until trial.

Also, I believe that had Murphy been barking much before 4:17, he may have been killed, too. JMO
 
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It was confirmed that a dog was barking at 4:17, picked up on neighbor's audio, but I do not believe it was ever confirmed that it was Murphy, and the dog barking was reported to have continued for 30 minutes, IIRC. If Murphy had continued to bark for 30 minutes, I believe, in light of what they learned after calling 9-1-1, that DM or BF would have mentioned that, as it apparently would have been completely out of character for him, and may have been an important thing to tell investigators, but as far as we know, neither did. DM only mentioned thinking Kaylee was playing with the dog earlier. If the dog that was barking was outside, as some have suggested, he may have been barking at BK leaving the house and changing out of his killing attire quickly, before speeding away. Also, LE can, and I'm sure have analyzed the audio recording, and have likely been able to determine if the dog barking was coming from inside the house o outside. This is likely just one more thing that we may not know until trial.JMO.
The barking dog reference was vague, assuming they don’t want to lock into an absolute as it serves no purpose. I think Dylan heard noises above her and her brain just processed it as Kaylee and Murphy. If she knew than Ethan was spending the night, she may have thought that Xana was probably okay, because Ethan was there with her and would have taken care of Xana if anything was really wrong.
 
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Can you redirect me to these photos? Because from what I remember from back in the day looking at the initial papparazi pics, Maddie's room was pretty dark and only Kaylee's was lit up. I don't doubt you on that, though, it's highly likely her room had the same type of style as Kaylee's. As far as what Dylan was referring to, that is certainly up to interpretation until the trial. But we know the dog was barking at 4:17 AM for one, but what really leads me to believe the dog was already barking is that Dylan thought it was Kaylee playing with her dog. Now Kaylee's room wasn't the one above Dylan's, that was Maddie's. And she specifically said she thought it was Kaylee and didn't really mention Maddie. Unless she knew at the time they slept together, which I have no reason to believe because Dylan came and went to sleep earlier, how would she know it was the dog and not a million of other different things that might cause noise? Like Maddie being drunk or being with her boyfriend, I don't know

Google "Maddie Mogen bedroom picture," go to Images, and look for the ones of her in bright pink sweatshirt, black leggings in her all white bedroom standing by her bed. I've not been able to find a good picture of MM's window at night during the first few days..any pictures I've seen have been either daytime pics or are from the other angle where it is looking head on at KG's sliding door.

From the judge's orders on the 911 call, we know that DM, BF, KG, and MM were all in KG room up until some time after 2:10. DM knew KG was in town for just a short visit and probably knew of many times that KG crashed in MM's room on late nights after staying up talking...perhaps as DM and BF left to go down to their rooms, she saw KG and MM head to MM's room.

As to why she would assume KG was playing with the dog instead of MM, IMHO it would be natural to assume that the dog's owner was the most likely person to be playing with the dog...and there may have been times in the past where KG was known to play with Murphy late at night, whether in her in own room or MM's room.

Alternately, with DM's room right next to the stairwell, coming out of a drunk sleep it's going to be hard for her to interpret which upstairs room she is hearing the sounds from. So, she's going to make what to her are the most obvious assumptions--if she often heard KG playing with Murphy in her own room, waking up in that state she's going to first assume that's where the sounds are coming from.
 
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SG, maybe not talking specifically or exclusively about the "murder groupies", but maybe also all the people who refuse to believe the evidence that he, and only he, murdered the four, refers to them as 'Probergers'.
Sometimes they even marry them!
 
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Google "Maddie Mogen bedroom picture," go to Images, and look for the ones of her in bright pink sweatshirt, black leggings in her all white bedroom standing by her bed. I've not been able to find a good picture of MM's window at night during the first few days..any pictures I've seen have been either daytime pics or are from the other angle where it is looking head on at KG's sliding door.

From the judge's orders on the 911 call, we know that DM, BF, KG, and MM were all in KG room up until some time after 2:10. DM knew KG was in town for just a short visit and probably knew of many times that KG crashed in MM's room on late nights after staying up talking...perhaps as DM and BF left to go down to their rooms, she saw KG and MM head to MM's room.

As to why she would assume KG was playing with the dog instead of MM, IMHO it would be natural to assume that the dog's owner was the most likely person to be playing with the dog...and there may have been times in the past where KG was known to play with Murphy late at night, whether in her in own room or MM's room.

Alternately, with DM's room right next to the stairwell, coming out of a drunk sleep it's going to be hard for her to interpret which upstairs room she is hearing the sounds from. So, she's going to make what to her are the most obvious assumptions--if she often heard KG playing with Murphy in her own room, waking up in that state she's going to first assume that's where the sounds are coming from.
Agree and jumping off your post, I think it's important to remember that the girls were all together after returning home. I'm sure it was the standard 'buzzed girl talk' and catching up. DM and BF left to go to their respective rooms. This would have considerably lowered DM's suspicions about anything terrible happening, she'd just seen them. Maddie and Kaylee drunk dialed J, Kaylees BF, several times between 2:30 - 3:00 ish and then knocked out after not reaching him. All's quiet, everyone in their beds.

DM was woken up by noises she might have thought were still Kaylee and Maddie up playing with the dog around 4 am. IIRC she first spoke out being a bit annoyed at her first door opening. BK was in Maddie's room then I believe. He comes downstairs and encounters Xana - "Someone's here" by Xana and "I'm here to help" by BK heard on second door opening by DM. BK attacks Xana and Ethan in her room "soft crying sounds, thump" and makes a quick exit to the slider. DM peeked out of her door the third time as he was walking by.

DM saw a figure dressed in all black exit to slider and began texting BF "WTH, I just saw someone dressed in black with a mask, I don't understand what's happening". After exchanging a couple more texts trying unsuccessfully to get a response from the roommates DM ran down to BF's room.

Just my theory today, subject to change at any given moment.
 
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I can't believe DM exited her room to run to BF's room. That was so brave (and potentially disastrous but thank god BK was gone by that point). I think if I were in that situation, i would've been completely paralyzed with fear..
 
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