4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[DizzyB]

It really comes down to the sheath. Without that they might never have had the probable cause to serve search warrants, and obtain further evidence.

And we still don’t even know how strong that further evidence is, and if it would have been strong enough to obtain a conviction without DNA.

He committed an insanely risky crime, despite all the preparation. I think he gets away with it if not for that error though.

Do you think he lies up awake in his cell at night thinking about that mistake? Or has he moved on to thinking about how to get the jury to ignore that and focus on some other minuscule error like the wrong year on the car in the beginning?

 

[angelainwi]

Do you think he lies up awake in his cell at night thinking about that mistake? Or has he moved on to thinking about how to get the jury to ignore that and focus on some other minuscule error like the wrong year on the car in the beginning?

Maybe if he is super pissed off that he didn't get to become a serial killer...

 

[ilovewings]

Do you think he lies up awake in his cell at night thinking about that mistake? Or has he moved on to thinking about how to get the jury to ignore that and focus on some other minuscule error like the wrong year on the car in the beginning?

I would think he relives that scenario quite often trying to figure out how he managed to leave that sheath at the death scene---

 

[Megnut]

Intriguing. What mistakes did BK make, that made him?! And, if he had avoided those errors, would he be free now?

1. Leaving the knife sheath, with his DNA.
2. Buying the knife on Amazon, with sheath, that is directly related to BK.

What else, did BK do, that put the Bullseye, directly on him?!

Like so many criminals, I think BK was overconfident and thought his approach would be generic enough -- white sedans, a dime a dozen. I still think he might have doctored his license plate for added camouflage, wasted effort though since no readers picked it up.

Where it came apart though is once LE has a workable lead, now suddenly all of his smart countermeasurse become evidence against him.

Turning his phone off. Clever so long as they never discover his phone because then his past phone use becomes evidence against him, the black out period becomes evidence against him. Dates and times and purchases and CCTV become evidence against him.

There's going to be A LOT.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Do you think he lies up awake in his cell at night thinking about that mistake? Or has he moved on to thinking about how to get the jury to ignore that and focus on some other minuscule error like the wrong year on the car in the beginning?

Not the OP but I don't think BK harbors regrets. That requires insight, self-awareness. If anything, he's upset with the victims, their fault it went sideways.

Wasn't his fault he was in the intersection when the light went red. PA didn't properly teach him about the ways of the crosswalk.

I happen to think BK has an elaborate and rigid moral construct by which he's never wrong.

It's always someone else's fault. Always. That is perhaps his core value and IMO the murders didn't change that. Arrest didn't change that. Trial won't.

He's probably still feeling thumbs uppy.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Do you think he lies up awake in his cell at night thinking about that mistake? Or has he moved on to thinking about how to get the jury to ignore that and focus on some other minuscule error like the wrong year on the car in the beginning?

I wouldn't be surprised if he blamed one of the victims for causing him to make that mistake. KG for being in the same bed, or either MM or KG (likely KG) for struggling.

We've heard anecdotally that nothing is his fault.

 

[Megnut]

I would think he relives that scenario quite often trying to figure out how he managed to leave that sheath at the death scene---

I do wonder how he let that get by him. Leaving it behind is one thing but that he ever handled it bare handed.

I wonder if he didn't accidentally transfer his cells to it. Like maybe he did wear gloves faithfully whenever he touched it. But if, while wearing those gloves, he touched his face with a gloved finger... and then touched the sheath, welp.

Rookie move.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I do wonder how he let that get by him. Leaving it behind is one thing but that he ever handled it bare handed.

I wonder if he didn't accidentally transfer his cells to it. Like maybe he did wear gloves faithfully whenever he touched it. But if, while wearing those gloves, he touched his face with a gloved finger... and then touched the sheath, welp.

Rookie move.

JMO

I doubt it, because he'd never have to worry about DNA if he never left it behind in the first place. The DNA seems to be of a quantity and quality that lends itself to direct transfer, as opposed to the scenario you described.

 

[fcavanaugh]

I doubt it, because he'd never have to worry about DNA if he never left it behind in the first place. The DNA seems to be of a quantity and quality that lends itself to direct transfer, as opposed to the scenario you described.

Yes I believe he handled the sheath probably a number of times without gloves on after purchasing it. Picked it up, toyed/played with it i.e., snapped and unsnapped, moved it around, packed it to take to WA with him etc.

IMO BK was the only one who handled the sheath post purchasing it and deposited his DNA onto it via primary/direct transfer. And then wiped it clean (or so he thought) wearing gloves just prior to the murders but missed the spot and/or didn’t dig in hard enough on the snap button portion crevice?- not sure that’s the right word, which to me seems like a tough spot to totally remove cells via cleaning while likely wearing gloves doing so.

IMHOO

ETA-sentence

 

[NuttMegg]

I agree, that by the time the defense tries to introduce SODDI (some other dude did it) the prosecution will have already proved BARD.

Not one iota of evidence has come out about there being another suspect. There has to be evidence.

The only non-evidence I see is lightly thrown around, that BK could not have killed 4 people in X amount of time so he had help.

Even if BK had help it does not make him less guilty, this doesn't help him. The people who subscribe to BK having assistance are admitting BK did do it, he did it with help.

I do not believe BK would "go down in flames" without trying to put all the blame on his accomplice. The reason he is not doing that is because no one in their right mind would go along with his diabolical burglary murder plot. BK could not take any chance of being reported to LE which was likely to happen had he brought in a second person.

BK is a loner......2 Cents

He doesn't have the personality to develop that type of tie, a co-murderer. I can't imagine him sitting around planning a birthday party with another person.

 

[NuttMegg]

Question: was it verifed that the red stain on the outside of Xana's bedroom was human blood? I remember lots of speculation about that, early on.

 

[jepop]

Blum reported something that apparently may not be true?? Let me go find my shocked face...
JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Question: was it verifed that the red stain on the outside of Xana's bedroom was human blood? I remember lots of speculation about that, early on.

I have asked that several times and I don't believe I've gotten an answer yet. I would love an answer.

 

[jepop]

Blum reported something that apparently may not be true?? Let me go find my shocked face...
JMO

Shocking for sure! Blum's writings in general read like flowery fiction and a lot of the time his content is fiction to match. Full disclosure, I am deeply bias against Blum; both his style and his content and will sometimes unfairly prejudge him. Not in this instance it seems.

 

[jepop]

It really comes down to the sheath. Without that they might never have had the probable cause to serve search warrants, and obtain further evidence.

And we still don’t even know how strong that further evidence is, and if it would have been strong enough to obtain a conviction without DNA.

He committed an insanely risky crime, despite all the preparation. I think he gets away with it if not for that error though.

Idk @MassGuy. It's hard to guess, but I think it's quite possible LE would have found him eventually through elimination. With no sheath DNA, the FBI would have put their resources into other areas to help speed that process along. Jmo

It maybe would have gone a bit differently, BK might have been brought in for an interview for e.g. At some point there would have been enough PC to pull his phone records when no alibi checked out and it would have gone from there. Jmo

I'm also recalling that the search warrant for his WA apartment was granted without the paternal DNA test being considered by that judge as a component of probable cause. There was that singular disclosure included in the application for that search warrant.. At the time I believe investigators/the PA office were being super cautious about the paternal DNA test, to cover any possible future challenges by a defense. The search warrants for the residences and BK's WSU office were granted prior to BK's buccal swab and the subsequent direct DNA match to the sheathe. Moo

 

[Nichevo]

I have asked that several times and I don't believe I've gotten an answer yet. I would love an answer.

I can’t answer this one way or the other. It has been stated that blood couldn’t drain through the wall like that. I have a theory I have hesitated to share since early on because it is so morbid.

Several days after the murders LE brought in an HVAC company, it was widely debated as to why. It seems to me that if a body fell over a heating vent and drained out in to the ductwork and pooled there, it is very possible it dripped out and on to the sill plate. Sill plates are often poorly sealed if at all, blood could indeed make its way to the exterior there. This seems even more likely with a large male body. I’m a little unsettled sharing this theory and admit it is pure speculation.

MOO

 

[sunshineray]

For clarity, based on the known facts and evidence revealed so far, I personally believe BK is the perpetrator of this horrendous crime and lone perpetrator and that he’s likely not capable of any of the feelings/emotions mentioned below but this post isn’t about that.
It’s about one of the statements/filing his lead defense counsel, AT, made to the court.

IMO the closest thing we’ll see
to a pretrial confession in this case was something articulated by defense counsel AT when she stated the following to the court. I couldn’t copy over the court filing on my phone but snipped from link below, B&UBM:

…. and that his lack of social awareness “will likely create an unwarranted impression of
lack of remorse” before jurors.

IMO if AT wants the court and future jurors to believe her client is innocent/not guilty of this horrendous crime, why mention his lack of showing remorse?????
To explain my pondering of this question, IMO remorse is an emotion of self judgement, meaning someone feeling/showing regret, guilt, sorrow over their past wrongdoing/bad actions/crimes/murder.
That said, considering the context, imo AT’s statement is contradictory since remorse indicates guilt which imo is the exact opposite of what AT wants the court and jury to believe.

IOW, AT shouldn’t be concerned and telling the court about BK’s inability to show remorse in front of the jury. Rather, she should be concerned about his inability to show sadness, sympathy and compassion because those are things jurors would expect an innocent person to feel and show for four brutally murdered victims of homicide.
Sadness, Sympathy, Compassion yes, but not Remorse if your client didn’t do anything wrong/didn’t murder the four college students, right? right AT?? (wink, wink).

IMO either AT doesn’t know or understand what remorse means or she flubbed up and her real feelings/belief slipped out in her statement. I’m going with the latter, and imo it’s a huge tell, as in-

Tell the court you believe your client is guilty without telling the court you believe your client is guilty.

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IMHOO

Great catch on that! Maybe AT WAS only thinking about when the trial is over and the jury needs to consider BK's fate? Maybe AT was JUST thinking about the DP phase of consideration?

 

[sunshineray]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919180009207394386

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I guess BK's email accounts will tell the ultimate truth of it. Do you think R's accounts were subpoenaed?

 

[sunshineray]

What would happen if in June or July the knife and other evidence were found? How long of a delay could defense or even prosecution get for something like that? Obviously there would have to be all kinds of tests run, but how long might it push out a trial?

Too long most likely.

 

[sunshineray]

Intriguing. What mistakes did BK make, that made him?! And, if he had avoided those errors, would he be free now?

1. Leaving the knife sheath, with his DNA.
2. Buying the knife on Amazon, with sheath, that is directly related to BK.

What else, did BK do, that put the Bullseye, directly on him?!

Driving his own car during surveillance and murders? Turning his phone on and off while out stargazing? Emptying garbage into his neighbor's bin late at night?