4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

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I did a bit of research, as well as asking DH, on how one would seal a house between walls and foundation.

DH indicated "silicone sealant", and told me this product was found in neutral colors, as well as clear. He's never seen red-colored silicone sealant.

I'm enclosing a link from Amazon searching "silicone sealant".

Just my own research; if someone finds different information, please share.

JMVHO.
Silicone sealant will not drip like blood IMO. And contrary to what I had thought, they not only do make it in red, but it's blood red at that. I wouldn't have guessed either in a million years!!!

Here are 2 such pics from Amazon buyers who posted pics of their work/complaints.

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More pics at link. You'll need to click on the number of reviews at the top, then click on a photo or See all photos link:

 
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  • #542
She's gumming up the judicial system... deep down she knows all these motions will fail.... but she does them anyway.

She also probably knows she'd got a guilty client who will be convicted and she is throwing everything at the case including the kitchen sink.
I look at it from her perspective, with her goal in mind, which is to save a client's life. That's her job, nothing else should matter to a death penalty attorney, within the confines of the law. She's not on the same page as we are, IMO, nor should she be. I applaud her efforts, professionally. She's giving it everything she's got.
 
  • #543
I look at it from her perspective, with her goal in mind, which is to save a client's life. That's her job, nothing else should matter to a death penalty attorney, within the confines of the law. She's not on the same page as we are, IMO, nor should she be. I applaud her efforts, professionally. She's giving it everything she's got.

Understand... what is to stop her from filing another 100 motions including my client was bullied as a kindergartener and his 5th grade Sunday school teacher said he had some mental issues that should have been diagnosed and treated.

Sorry.. .was just rambling.

I know this is our legal process by Holy Cow, there's a load of waste in it.
 
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  • #544
Understand... what is to stop her from filing another 100 motions including my client was bullied as a kindergartener and his 5th grade Sunday school teacher said he had some mental issues that should have been diagnosed and treated.

Sorry.. .was just rambling.

I know this is our legal process by Holy Cow, there's a load of waste in it.
Yes, there is. But it doesn't seem to me either side is too concerned about the "rules."
MOO
 
  • #545
Yes, there is. But it doesn't seem to me either side is too concerned about the "rules."
MOO
What rules has the Prosecution broken?
 
  • #546
I believe there is a good chance that LE would have eventually connected him to the murders through his car on many videos, but who knows how long it may have taken. WSU police already had eyes on him in early December, and they had his phone number from a prior stop, so that avenue of investigation would have been open to them. They knew he matched the "bushy eyebrows" general description of the killer. JMO
I am with you @SteveP. I think they (WSU police, and soon after the investigative team) were onto him before the DNA match on the sheath. So... they would have had the car, video of traffic stop confirming consistency with witness description, and phone. Would that have been enough for an arrest? Continuing on these lines...would that have been enough to obtain the Amazon purchase records (as I see that as another huge discovery)? And, if yes to those, would all the evidence minus the sheath and DNA, be enough for a conviction?

MOO, I am sooo happy he left the sheath with DNA.
 
  • #547
What rules has the Prosecution broken?
I'm not convinced they've fully adhered to the discovery rules. I don't think every accusation the defense has leveled is true but I certainly don't think they are all false either.
MOO
 
  • #548
I'm not convinced they've fully adhered to the discovery rules. I don't think every accusation the defense has leveled is true but I certainly don't think they are all false either.
MOO
On what basis?

We learned at the last hearing that the prosecution provided discovery in the same format they received it.

We learned that they had told the defense everything they intend to use.

We learned that AT bizarrely likes to look at discovery herself, as opposed to having others help her with that work.

The defense has never asked for a trial date extension.

AT wasn't so burdened by the discovery in this case that it prevented her from taking on a second death penalty case simultaneously.

So what have you seen that's been supported?
 
  • #549
Understand... what is to stop her from filing another 100 motions including my client was bullied as a kindergartener and his 5th grade Sunday school teacher said he had some mental issues that should have been diagnosed and treated.

Sorry.. .was just rambling.

I know this is our legal process by Holy Cow, there's a load of waste in it.
First, I must say I disagree with your assessment that the motions filed to date have been "waste." I will add that there are rules that restrict attorneys from filing "frivolous" (legally insufficient) and/or "groundless" (factually false or inadequate) pleadings or making similar arguments. Also, it must be said that judges are free to call out attorneys who make frivolous or groundless arguments, and this very competent judge has not done so in this case.

I believe one of the problems with capital punishment is that it maximizes the stakes in these cases. I share your frustration with the time and effort that goes into assuring the right guy is killed in our name, but I don't think of it as "waste." Many cases have shown conclusively that even the extensive process normally provided has resulted in wrongful convictions.

That being the case, I would want a defense similarly committed to the idea that I am innocent if I (or a loved one) were to be wrongfully charged with a capital crime. A system that kills innocent people is totally unacceptable. IF we still want to be considered a civilized country. JMO
 
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Hi, any ideas what the hearing on the 15th will entail?
 
  • #551
If those streaks were there the day before the murders then they are not blood.

I was looking for photos of the house taken before Nov. 2022. Realtor has an older listing, but not a photo of that side of the house, from what I can see.

The above-linked Property History shows a date of Feb. 19, 2020; the "for sale" listing was removed at that time. Also, it was listed for rent on Feb. 5 2020. Property taxes were paid in 2022.

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If anyone else can find a photo of that side of the house taken before Nov. 2022, please post it!

TIA.

JMVHO
 
  • #552
Hi, any ideas what the hearing on the 15th will entail?
Any outstanding motions between now and then, I'd imagine. There doesn't appear to be anything that would be argued publicly, so unless there's anything in that regard coming this week, I wonder if they'll cancel it.
 
  • #553
Silicone sealant will not drip like blood IMO. And contrary to what I had thought, they not only do make it in red, but it's blood red at that. I wouldn't have guessed either in a million years!!!

Here are 2 such pics from Amazon buyers who posted pics of their work/complaints.

View attachment 584074View attachment 584075

More pics at link. You'll need to click on the number of reviews at the top, then click on a photo or See all photos link:


Great find!

JMVHO.
 
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I look at it from her perspective, with her goal in mind, which is to save a client's life. That's her job, nothing else should matter to a death penalty attorney, within the confines of the law. She's not on the same page as we are, IMO, nor should she be. I applaud her efforts, professionally. She's giving it everything she's got.
I totally agree and think she's doing her job far better than any Defense Attorneys I've seen lately. BK has a constitutional right, like all Defendants, to a vigorous, competent defense, and AT's making sure he gets one.

I don't have to like or necessarily agree with some of the things she's doing (more lately), but if I were BK and in his shoes facing the DP, I would want her fighting for me just as hard. She was dealt a losing hand here.

I do believe BK will be found guilty based on evidence by the true trier of facts, the Jury. It won't be overturned on ineffective council by a long shot.

All JMO
 
  • #555
Most defendants crumble when the DP gets up close and personal. When staring right at it. Same with the possibility of getting a long prison sentence. Many plea deals happen days before trial, I was following a case that was starting on a Monday and was stopped with a plea deal the Thursday before.

So BK is no different. He can be just as intimidated by the DP as any other psychopath. Time will tell. I think BK first wants to see if his defense can get the DP tossed out as well as other incriminating evidence such as, well, most of it. Experts, video, online click history, bushy eyebrows, all of DM's testimony.... Etc.... 2 CENTS

Judge denies Bryan Kohberger motions to exclude key DNA evidence from trial​

Legal analysis: Kohberger's defense seeks evidence thrown-out​


Kohberger defense files motion that may seek to throw out death penalty, citing autism spectrum disorder​


The judge in Bryan Kohberger's case decided to admit the 911 call and text messages sent by the surviving roommates in an order filed on Thursday. The defense wants this testimony thrown out.


Defense attorney Anne Taylor, in an objection filed March 17: "To get to BF's bedroom DM passed the front door of the residence. BF was steps from the front door. Neither of them left the house. Neither of them called friends, family or law enforcement for help."

Judge Hippler denied the defense's arguments that pulling and using Kohberger's DNA was a violation of his 4th Amendment rights.

In other motions, the defense sought to have cell phone location data and subsequent warrants used by law enforcement to arrest Kohberger thrown out, but the court found the warrants were lawfully obtained and did not violate Kohberger's rights.

Judge Hippler also denied the defense's motion for a Franks Hearing, which determines if investigators lied or omitted information to obtain warrants.
I know the families don’t have any real say, but would SG by agreeable to LWOP? Reality is, unless different in Idaho, death room inmates spend 10, 20, 30 years on DR. Some even die of natural causes on DR.
 
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I'm not convinced they've fully adhered to the discovery rules. I don't think every accusation the defense has leveled is true but I certainly don't think they are all false either.
MOO

I do.
 
  • #557
I'm not convinced they've fully adhered to the discovery rules. I don't think every accusation the defense has leveled is true but I certainly don't think they are all false either.
MOO

If that is true, the perfect place for Judge Hippler to call that out would be in the recent Order on Defendants Motion to Strike Death Penalty and Adopt other Necessary Procedures or the Order on Defendants Motion in Limine RE Vague and Undisclosed Expert Testimony.

He did not.

He also could have admonished the State during the most recent public hearing, which he did not.
 
  • #558
I know the families don’t have any real say, but would SG by agreeable to LWOP? Reality is, unless different in Idaho, death room inmates spend 10, 20, 30 years on DR. Some even die of natural causes on DR.
During one of his last interviews he and his wife want the dp.
 
  • #559
I am with you @SteveP. I think they (WSU police, and soon after the investigative team) were onto him before the DNA match on the sheath. So... they would have had the car, video of traffic stop confirming consistency with witness description, and phone. Would that have been enough for an arrest? Continuing on these lines...would that have been enough to obtain the Amazon purchase records (as I see that as another huge discovery)? And, if yes to those, would all the evidence minus the sheath and DNA, be enough for a conviction?

MOO, I am sooo happy he left the sheath with DNA.
Once they had his name and car, then there is also the generic witness description( height, build, eyebrows, white etc) to compare with his licence photo. Then maybe cross check Amazon warrants on purchasers of kbars. If they get the video from WSU for 2.40am and 5.25am 13th Nov, there is a white 2015 Elantra heading away from then towards his address, the type of car BK owns. This may be enough to get a warrant for Amazon and other kbar sellers to look up his name on purchase lists? If they discover the late March knife purchase, then maybe they now have PC for his phone records for 24 hours surrounding the murders? It would then go from there? Perhaps he then gets brought in for an interview? No alibi checks out. Jmo

Not sure but seems they may have still pinned him down eventually. Especially with help of FBI, profiling, interviewing, background checks. Jmo
 
  • #560
During one of his last interviews he and his wife want the dp.
Yes, that’s what I thought. Idaho, typically at least 10 years to carry out death penalty.
 
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