4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[Chloegirl]

Some of Kohberger’s selfies from the episode. View attachment 584963View attachment 584964View attachment 584965View attachment 584966

These look like they were taken a while ago, he looks somewhat heavier or something is different. The ceiling suggests this is an office not a home. Confusing. JMOO

 

[gremlin444]

He did not (at least on his phone) google about the murders until November 16--three days later.

 

[crhedBngr]

Three calls....two of which were lengthy. *boggles*

I wonder if it was a matter of feeling like he needed to share his excitement with someone (even though he wouldn't be able to tell him why he was excited) so he didn't pop. Perhaps he acted as though his excitement was due to hie amazing success at grad school. If so, I wonder if even his dad/parents thought he was acting unusually positive.

THIS^^^^.

JMVHO

 

[iamshadow21]

These look like they were taken a while ago, he looks somewhat heavier or something is different. The ceiling suggests this is an office not a home. Confusing. JMOO

That looks like a closet full of hanging clothing behind his shoulder, though.

MOO

 

[gremlin444]

These look like they were taken a while ago, he looks somewhat heavier or something is different. The ceiling suggests this is an office not a home. Confusing. JMOO

At least the first two are shown in the episode to have been taken once he was at his parents PA house, likely in his basement bedroom, on 12/21.

I think it is just a bad angle...plus it's not like Dateline likely has access to the original photograph files.

 

[LinasK]

Well darn, our ABC 20/20 show wasn't on Kohlberger and this case. It was on the new pope. Okay, missed the first 1/2 hour. Wrong show and channel.

 

[MassGuy]

He did not (at least on his phone) google about the murders until November 16--three days later.

I imagine he did that on his computer, which he apparently wiped. I think as time went on, he felt more and more comfortable that he had gotten away with this - hence the sloppiness with his phone activity.

 

[PinkParis2052]

I can agree with that. But, it troubles me about the little dog Buddy who was "filleted" or so that's what his owner's first said that. Then there was a bit of commentary from the fish and wildlife department that it was natural predation. I didn't believe that then. I'm not sure what I believe now but BK might like using or experimenting with a knife. It doesn't make any sense to me. JMOO

It was reported that it was committed by a human due the way that the dog was skinned and Latah County Sheriff Department said that it wasn't connected to the U of I murders.

 

[LinasK]

So odd that they were unable to find any sort of social media connection. If he was obsessed, you would think he would have been all over her accounts. I remember reading something about him having a digital trail with a friend of a victim. Maybe if you look but don’t “like” or “follow”, it can’t be traced?

The Dateline episode shows photos of the victims and other girls on his phone. He didn't just randomly drive by the house and choose these girls. He was stalking them-whether he contacted them or not.

 

[LinasK]

I'm only an hour into it, but if I was his lawyer, after this episode I'd be convincing him to try to take a plea deal. His car on video in front of their house seals the deal for me.

 

[Ghostwheel]

He only had 3 minutes between the time of the voice like sounds and thud caught on the neighbor's security camera and when his car peeled out, leaving. And if you go by the theory proposed to Dateline, he attacked Xana, then stabbed/sliced Ethan while hitting an artery, and then "carved" his legs. Then he would have had to run out, get enough bloody attire off him that he could safely get in his car (and we don't know for sure if he was parked right out front, or up the hill behind), and drive off.

So, IMHO, the sitting would have been very very brief. And likely of a practical purpose (catch breath) instead of for voyeuristic intent.

Haven't read all the replys yet, but what if the sitting was him removing bloody coveralls? At that point, he was done and could maybe exit without stepping in anything (or he thought he could). That would save time from the exit into the car. Wrapped it all in a black bag, rolled it up, maybe looked like a vacuum. As a thought.

 

[Ghostwheel]

RE: the word carve can have several meanings.

Spoiler: Hidden for those who do not wish to read

You can carve as in carving a Turkey, slicing bits off. But you can also carve as in making marks, like carving initials into a tree. I haven't seen this episode yet, but imagine if Ethan woke a bit, started to stir, BK leaned over to stab him and Ethan kicked his leg or legs up. A proper KaBar is sharp, like slice a chunk of skin off sharp. A leg might have been sliced on the way to the fatal stab. Or it might have gotten a deep carve type mark. Or, worse, there might have been an attempt to carve initials or a symbol, and it could have been legs because that was accessible. (it looked pretty tight where the bed was.). Point being carve is a loaded word. Slicing a leg is not carving a leg unless a chunk comes off or looks like it might come off or there is a specific pattern to the mark. IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Haven't read all the replys yet, but what if the sitting was him removing bloody coveralls? At that point, he was done and could maybe exit without stepping in anything (or he thought he could). That would save time from the exit into the car. Wrapped it all in a black bag, rolled it up, maybe looked like a vacuum. As a thought.

That would make a lot of sense, if not for DM's description of him (which jibes with the coveralls still being on).

I guess I'll just go with him being exhausted for now, but that bothers me quite a bit too. He would have been panicked at this stage, and getting out of there as fast as possible would have been his priority (hence him speeding away).

Come to think of it, I'm leaning nowhere in this regard.

 

[gremlin444]

The Dateline episode shows photos of the victims and other girls on his phone. He didn't just randomly drive by the house and choose these girls. He was stalking them-whether he contacted them or not.

Quick correction: the photos on BK's phone were of lots of WSU and U of Idaho girls, including some who were friends with the girls who lived in 1122 King--but there were no photos of the 1122 girls themselves saved on his phone....until you get to the point after the murders where he was saving media about the murders onto his phone.

 

[gremlin444]

That would make a lot of sense, if not for DM's description of him (which jibes with the coveralls still being on).

I guess I'll just go with him being exhausted for now, but that bothers me quite a bit too. He would have been panicked at this stage, and getting out of there as fast as possible would have been his priority (hence him speeding away).

Come to think of it, I'm leaning nowhere in this regard.

So, pictures I've seen of XK's room from the girls' social media show her desk being under that window that overlooks the front of the house with a rolling chair with a fake fur upholstery or cushion on it.

Given how little floor space there was in that room, I wonder if BK stumbled over XK either right after attacking Ethan or as he tried to step over XK to leave, and then he accidentally lost his balance and ended up falling into the chair momentarily.

 

[sripey]

That would make a lot of sense, if not for DM's description of him (which jibes with the coveralls still being on).

I guess I'll just go with him being exhausted for now, but that bothers me quite a bit too. He would have been panicked at this stage, and getting out of there as fast as possible would have been his priority (hence him speeding away).

Come to think of it, I'm leaning nowhere in this regard.

Yeah, especially with the dog barking immediately after the "thump" heard on the neighbors camera.

 

[Ghostwheel]

That would make a lot of sense, if not for DM's description of him (which jibes with the coveralls still being on).

I guess I'll just go with him being exhausted for now, but that bothers me quite a bit too. He would have been panicked at this stage, and getting out of there as fast as possible would have been his priority (hence him speeding away).

Come to think of it, I'm leaning nowhere in this regard.

Just thinking he could have had all black under black coveralls. I was thinking that even if you were in a hurry to get out, having a chair would be faster to un coverall than trying to do that next to your car. Seriously, assuming no blood in that vicinity, unzip, roll the top half down, sit, roll everything down onto itself, especially good if you needed to remove some booties from your shoes, wrap the knife in the coveralls, put it all in a black bag with the gloves, roll it up, off you go. If the back door was left open you don't have to touch anything on the way out. AND if you were already uncoveralled with a knife buried in the middle, even if you saw DM, you would not stop because your protection is gone. MOO, of course.

 

[Argonaut]

He only had 3 minutes between the time of the voice like sounds and thud caught on the neighbor's security camera and when his car peeled out, leaving. And if you go by the theory proposed to Dateline, he attacked Xana, then stabbed/sliced Ethan while hitting an artery, and then "carved" his legs. Then he would have had to run out, get enough bloody attire off him that he could safely get in his car (and we don't know for sure if he was parked right out front, or up the hill behind), and drive off.

So, IMHO, the sitting would have been very very brief. And likely of a practical purpose (catch breath) instead of for voyeuristic intent.

My bet is BK sliced the legs behind the knees and/or the femoral artery. Ethan would have been disable first, IMO. These are the major bleed out points in the leg and just the kind of cuts the KaBar would make easily and taught in knife fight training.

 

[Sachi]

Ugh, what if that “here to help you” comment was directed at Ethan, not Xana?

Also, it’s not lost on me that, as a runner, BK would probably know exactly what lower leg tendons to sever to incapacitate a victim.

Was it revealed on Dateline that Ethan was asleep when attacked?

 

[katydid23]

His coworker, kept a spare housekey in her office drawer. Office she shared with BK. Key which disappeared and reappeared.
But not before someone was in her apartment. Moved her burned brownies, put them in her microwave. What??????

Then lined up all her toiletries on her toilet.

Took a letter and a watch.

Super freaky.

Lining up all her toiletries, and I think they said 'organised them' or something similar---made me think of his OCD.

It was also odd---she apparently became very close to him in the beginning---thought he was very kind. He showed her a lot of attention. So she reached out to him and made a move on him, revealing she was interested in him, and he REJECTED her advances.

From her picture, she looked very attractive, much more than he was. But he rebuffed her?

That screams 'incel' to me. He wasn't really looking for a proper, healthy relationship. Like his searches said---he was interested in control, domination, someone passed out.