4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[concernedcitizen706]

It's just my theory about the golf clubs, but I do remember hearing that the police seized Ethan's golf clubs and have not returned them. So it makes sense to me that the golf clubs were used in the attack at some point.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Reportedly, Ethan was an avid golfer. And there is a picture floating around of his golf clubs seen through the window of a 1st floor storage room.

His parents were upset they had to wait so long to retrieve his jeep and expensive golf clubs, IIRC.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

You could be correct. That thud is so loud that it's difficult to believe it was poor, lifeless Xana falling to the ground.

Does anybody know where I can hear this sound? Is this from the latest dateline? Because I've heard about this thud sound for years but I've never heard it.

 

[twall]

Does anybody know where I can hear this sound? Is this from the latest dateline? Because I've heard about this thud sound for years but I've never heard it.

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[twall]

His parents were upset they had to wait so long to retrieve his jeep and expensive golf clubs, IIRC.

I also recall this and assumed the golf clubs were in the Jeep but I could be wrong.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

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Thanks, that's the first time I got to hear the sounds.

I think it definitely could be xana falling. Keep in mind they probably amplified the sound, so I'm sure that makes it seem louder than it really was. But yeah definitely sounds like a body falling, because it's like you hear one part fall and then the other part fall. Like a crumpling sound. He must have pushed her back hard. She was probably doing pretty good for a while, because she fell from the doorway down. So it seems like she almost made it out the door. That's why my theory is she must have had some kind of weapon to help her, like a golf club. I think Bryan got winded and or stunned from that and that's why he left the house. Edit- so I'm thinking he gave Xana a fatal blow, and then she fell on him, but as she was falling towards BK, he pushed her back hard. And don't forget they have a hardwood floor there. So she fell all the way over, fast. Just flat out like a timber falling. That's why she made such a loud sound.

 

[sar2them1984]

I also recall this and assumed the golf clubs were in the Jeep but I could be wrong.

Same here, I assumed the golf clubs were in the Jeep, certainly I've not seen any photos or videos of police removing anything club like from the house. I feel there's so many unconfirmed and unevidenced rumours (fight clubs, secret tunnels, live streams, insider knowledge) but somehow they all manage to grow legs and people start to intersperce them with fact

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I think xana almost knocked him out with a golf club. And he had to sit down because he had the wind knocked out of him. I think that's why he left so quick, because otherwise I think he would have tried to have gotten the other two girls.

It's just my theory about the golf clubs, but I do remember hearing that the police seized Ethan's golf clubs and have not returned them. So it makes sense to me that the golf clubs were used in the attack at some point.

Reportedly, Ethan was an avid golfer. And there is a picture floating around of his golf clubs seen through the window of a 1st floor storage room.

On January 23, 2023, Ethan’s mom shared a Facebook post that included the following statement:

For an update, anything we/Ethan had is now frozen with the defense. For us, it involves two vehicles, E’s belonging and a nice set of golf clubs.

So apparently it was the defense, not the police, that kept Ethan’s golf clubs. I can’t find any reporting that the clubs still haven’t been returned to the Chapin family.

I guess it’s possible the defense could be interested in the golf clubs if the clubs showed signs that Xana used them in self-defense, yet BK had no signs of injury and the clubs had no BK DNA on them. I haven’t seen this asserted in any court documents, though, but I could have missed it.

IMO, BK revealed no signs of being beat over the head with a golf club in his bathroom selfie.

Unfortunately, this Daily Mail article about BK’s charm-filled doctor’s visit four days after the murders reveals nothing about the presence or absence of injury:

Idaho murders suspect was 'charming' at medical appointment

Did AT assertion that BK was injury-free during this doctor’s visit?

Of course, if the following is the case, the golf clubs are a moot point with respect to Xana, at least:

I also recall this and assumed the golf clubs were in the Jeep but I could be wrong.

All IMOO.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Same here, I assumed the golf clubs were in the Jeep, certainly I've not seen any photos or videos of police removing anything club like from the house. I feel there's so many unconfirmed and unevidenced rumours (fight clubs, secret tunnels, live streams, insider knowledge) but somehow they all manage to grow legs and people start to intersperce them with fact

I agree. If it isn’t in the court documents (or reported by a reputable media source), it’s just a rumor. I don’t think it hurts to speculate about scenarios, however, as long as it doesn’t fuel an unfounded conspiracy theory (and is not contradicted by court documents). IMO

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Well apparently there was a good fight going on in Xanas room, we know that, for one reason from what Kaylee's father said. He said something like there was a hell of a battle going on in there. And I doubt she fought him off with just her fists, considering he had a knife. So she must have had something to help her out. A golf club would make sense because of its length and strength. But it could be some other object I guess. Also I don't think that we were privy to every object removed from the house or from what part of the house they took them from. There could have been golf clubs in the Jeep, and maybe another golf club or two in the bedroom. Maybe ones he didn't use as often. So I don't think we can make assumptions like that, like that we know which room each piece of evidence was taken from.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

You know I just had a thought. And I'm thinking BK must have had a phone jammer when he did these murders, because that would be the only way he would have the confidence that police would not be called during this time. You noticed that DM and Bethany only texted after he left. That could be when the jamming was removed. Anyway that's just my theory. It will be interesting to hear if that is actually the case. <modsnip: No approved source to support>. Edit- and maybe the electronic jamming started at 4:12, when le said xana got off the internet.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

As to injuries on Bryan, yes there were no obvious injuries. However he does have very thick hair and if he got hit on the head where his hair was and got a bruise, I don't know that whoever saw his head would see the bruise through his hair. Also he could have been poked in the chest or stomach, possibly buy a club, and gotten the wind knocked out of him. And nobody would be able to see that either.

 

[katydid23]

WHAT? Where did a golf club theory come from!

Added: @katydid23, do you have connection between Ethan’s clubs and theory of @concernedcitizen706 ?

No, not really. That doesn't seem probable, imo. Xana would have been badly injured immediately. I can't see her getting an opportunity to take a big 'golf swing' and getting the jump on him.

And there was no evidence of any injuries like that on him, I don't believe. IDK

The picture that I saw of the golf clubs was from a room downstairs by BF's room. So I don't think Ethan or Xana had immediate access---unless maybe they had one club in their room. But I have never had that said before, so?

 

[katydid23]

I also recall this and assumed the golf clubs were in the Jeep but I could be wrong.

I'm not sure where they were when police took them. But there is a picture, which I think was taken during the investigation, and you can see his clubs through a window, by the front door. [Not BF's room] I think it was said it is an empty room which is used as a catch all storage space.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Well apparently there was a good fight going on in Xanas room, we know that, for one reason from what Kaylee's father said. He said something like there was a hell of a battle going on in there. And I doubt she fought him off with just her fists, considering he had a knife. So she must have had something to help her out. A golf club would make sense because of its length and strength. But it could be some other object I guess. Also I don't think that we were privy to every object removed from the house or from what part of the house they took them from. There could have been golf clubs in the Jeep, and maybe another golf club or two in the bedroom. Maybe ones he didn't use as often. So I don't think we can make assumptions like that, like that we know which room each piece of evidence was taken from.

I agree that we shouldn’t assume there were no golf clubs in Xana’s room.

Golf clubs make poor weapons, though, at least according to this article, which is a copy of the syndicated article by author Ed Combs that first appeared in USCCA’s Concealed Carry Magazine Volume 11, Issue 8 November/December 2014 under the title, “Choose Wisely: Sporting Goods Need Not Apply.”

Also, Ethan’s mom said his golf clubs were a nice set. Avid golfer Ethan might have been more likely to keep an old baseball bat next to his bed for self defense than one of his treasured clubs.

Still, Xana may have tried to use a golf club or other improvised weapon to defend herself. However, her fingers were almost sliced off, so it looks like she was ultimately forced to use just her hands to ward off the blows of BK’s knife. Perhaps she had no time to grab a weapon, or it was too dark in her room to find one.

Xana was an athlete—according to her obituary, a talented gymnast as a child, and a volleyball, track and soccer player until she graduated high school in 2020—so she may have been agile and strong enough to escape some of BK’s knife blows.

I imagine her bravely jumping onto BK’s back when he went for Ethan, until BK (sorry for the image) slammed her backwards against the wall to get her off.

This, of course, is pure speculation. Sadly, I expect you are right, katydid23, that Xana would have been too injured immediately to do any fighting. I like the idea, though, of Xana defending the love of her short life. She, after all, was the one who was wide awake when disaster struck.

IMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

No, not really. That doesn't seem probable, imo. Xana would have been badly injured immediately. I can't see her getting an opportunity to take a big 'golf swing' and getting the jump on him.

And there was no evidence of any injuries like that on him, I don't believe. IDK

The picture that I saw of the golf clubs was from a room downstairs by BF's room. So I don't think Ethan or Xana had immediate access---unless maybe they had one club in their room. But I have never had that said before, so?

I'm not sure where they were when police took them. But there is a picture, which I think was taken during the investigation, and you can see his clubs through a window, by the front door. [Not BF's room] I think it was said it is an empty room which is used as a catch all storage space.

I believe a full set of golf clubs is pretty heavy and unlikely to be drug up a long flight of stairs when a first floor storage room is available.

 

[Poedelini]

Some people say that BK could have taken off his protective clothing when he used Xana's chair. Isn't that the most stupid decision? The chance of leaving dna while changing is high, why even bother having protective clothing when you change in the room itself? In the mids of a bloody crime scene. I think its so weird.

Does anyone know if the shoe print that was found similar to the pattern of a Vans type shoe was from the killer?

Jmo

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Maybe he doubled up on shoe coverings so he wouldn't leave footprints as he left the scene. Maybe he sat down on the chair for a second to take them off. Maybe even grabbed a shirt or something nearby to wrap them and the knife in, shoving it all in a waiting bag once he got out.
JMO

Yes, we don't know what he *took* from the house. It was a densely populated house and had many visitors. There could have been all sorts of useful items to hand that he utilised to cover himself or wrap the knife and get out of the house - garbage bags, towels, blankets, jackets, sweaters, etc. LE would have no way of knowing what is potentially missing from the house as they don't know what was there in the first place.

JMO MOO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I am pretty sure the DD driver is on the state's witness list. So at least we know that this nagging question will be answered.

What I really want to know from the driver is did they see or hear Xana at pick up? I'm thinking probably not, but?

And of course, did they see a white car driving nearby or see a figure in black as they were driving away.

I don't know how it works in Idaho but in my city (not in the USA) I have to greet the delivery driver for hand over and also give a number to verify I'm the correct person.

It's not like amazon who will place a package on the doorstep and take a picture.

That's to prevent people saying they never got their food or it was left at the wrong door or it had gone cold by the time they got it etc.

 

[katydid23]

Same here, I assumed the golf clubs were in the Jeep, certainly I've not seen any photos or videos of police removing anything club like from the house. I feel there's so many unconfirmed and unevidenced rumours (fight clubs, secret tunnels, live streams, insider knowledge) but somehow they all manage to grow legs and people start to intersperce them with fact

I did 100% see a picture of the golf clubs inside of the house---in an empty room by the front door.

I've been looking for it now to post----but haven't found it yet. It does exist though, for sure.

They are very expensive clubs so it would not be smart to leave them overnight in his Jeep.. That's probably why they were inside, close by the front door.