4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[PunishThenForgive]

Sounds like he did have an emotional reaction in the last session - when the subject turned to the surviving roommates. The shift was startling enough that people watching commented on it on the thread. He became animated all of a sudden.

I think he's going to switch on like that for certain witnesses and evidence at trial. It's going to be interesting to see exactly what creates that response.

MOO

Come to think of it, BK betrayed his emotions when he was pulled over by LE in Indiana, too.

 

[otto]

Sure thing, @otto--this is from the National Highway Safety Administration website:
(EDITED TO ADD ACTUAL LINK TO THE WEBSITE): Results for: 5NPDH4AE6FH579860

Thank you! If that is his car (or similar) then, unless he disabled tracking, police may know exactly where his car went on the night of the murders.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

There are so many manifestations of people not believing the obvious:

1) Flat earthers.
2) Big Foot, Lock Ness Monster believers
3) Moon landing never happened

etc.

IMO, some people's inability to use deductive reasoning, insight, and critical thinking has been there all thru the ages. I used to argue with people about some of these things but it was a lost cause. I am just very thankful MOST of these people are not in a position of leadership when they can do more damage.

OK, I'm all in for Big Foot, even if he's a mythical creature.
What I can't stand are people who think mass school shootings never happened, that dead kids are "crisis actors" or never living in the first place because they can't figure out (as with the moon landing) that thousands of people would be involved in such a conspiracy: the other kids, the parents, the siblings, the other relatives, the school personnel, the first responders, the hospital staff, the medical examiner's office, the funeral directors, the doctor present at the birth, the state birth registration people, the pediatrician and that staff, the OB and that staff, the pediatric dentist and that staff, the soccer coaches, the church leaders, the neighbors, the people who wrote up school lists from years before. Sorry. Rant over.

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin


Jury selection in the Bryan Kohberger trial will begin with a written questionnaire -- and then after groups of potential jurors are ruled out -- the in-person questioning by lawyers will begin.I don't think it's going to be as hard as some predict.It starts the end of July.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924512956970045622

 

[otto]

Doesn’t seem the 2015 Elantra owner’s manual is still online but here is only one of the articles I found. If you Google, there are a number confirming the Elantra has a “black box.”

Yes, the 2015 Hyundai Elantra is equipped with an Event Data Recorder (EDR).EDRs, also known as black boxes in cars, are memory chips that record data during crashes.

Where is the EDR located?
The EDR memory chip is typically stored within the car's Airbag Control Module (ACM) or Restraint Control Module.

What kind of data does the EDR record?
The EDR records various data points in the moments leading up to and during a crash, including: Speed, Engine throttle, Whether seat belts were used, and Whether brakes were applied.

How can the data be accessed?
The data can be accessed by:

1. Connecting a diagnostic tool to the vehicle's diagnostic port.
2. Removing the ACM module and accessing the memory chip.

Why is the EDR important?
The EDR can provide valuable information about a car accident, helping to:Establish the key facts of the accident, Reconstruct the accident scene, and Aid in investigations.

Important Note: EDRs do not record data continuously; they only record data when a crash event is detected.

Source: Google

Thank you! That's what I was wondering about ... so there probably is no data connected to his travel paths.

 

[Justice101]

Thank you! That's what I was wondering about ... so there probably is no data connected to his travel paths.

No... BUT...... if that data is available... it will show when his car stops AND when he ACCELERATED (presumably) leaving the crime scene. That is another 1 in a million thing for his team to try to explain away.

 

[Maat99]

No... BUT...... if that data is available... it will show when his car stops AND when he ACCELERATED (presumably) leaving the crime scene. That is another 1 in a million thing for his team to try to explain away.

Obviously he accelerated to chase a falling star while he was out stargazing.

 

[otto]

There must be a lot more vehicle evidence that we will hear about during trial.

I think the prosecution will argue that Maddie was the target. Kaylee was killed because she was unexpectedly in Maddie's bedroom. Xana was killed because she made the killer aware that she was awake and possibly coming up the stairs. Ethan was murdered because Xana ran to him when she discovered an intruder.

It doesn't really matter whether Kohberger intended to kill one person, or several people. All that can be proven is that he intended to kill Maddie, and three others were murdered because they became aware of his intentions.

 

[minazoe]

Otto, I don't think he was caring who all he was going to kill...he wanted to kill everyone in that house...but on his way down he saw Dylan..she was awake and standing..she may have heard everything..the police would now be coming as she may have called 911..he has to run..believe me...if he thought she was sleeping through it it would have murdered both of the other girls.

mOO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

There must be a lot more vehicle evidence that we will hear about during trial.

I think the prosecution will argue that Maddie was the target. Kaylee was killed because she was unexpectedly in Maddie's bedroom. Xana was killed because she made the killer aware that she was awake and possibly coming up the stairs. Ethan was murdered because Xana ran to him when she discovered an intruder.

It doesn't really matter whether Kohberger intended to kill one person, or several people. All that can be proven is that he intended to kill Maddie, and three others were murdered because they became aware of his intentions.

Right. I'm of the "he's an intentional mass murdered" thought. But what they can prove is that he went to Maddie's room so he intended to kill that occupant but found 2 people and killed them both. He encountered Xana and killed her and killed Ethan because he was in the room. It's a coherent story for the jury. It requires no motive other than "he did a home invasion and went into Maddie's room to kill her."

For what it's worth, I think BK will really really hate that to listen to prosecutors argue for a case that doesn't fit the facts as they exist in his head. So win-win!

 

[otto]

Otto, I don't think he was caring who all he was going to kill...he wanted to kill everyone in that house...but on his way down he saw Dylan..she was awake and standing..she may have heard everything..the police would now be coming as she may have called 911..he has to run..believe me...if he thought she was sleeping through it it would have murdered both of the other girls.

mOO

That seems likely, especially given his fascination with Ted Bundy. However, all that can be proven is that he intended to kill Maddie, and that three others were murdered because they became aware of that plan.

The fact that the fourth person to discover that he was in the house was left alive could be interpreted in two ways. First, he didn't actually see her. That is, his brain was fried from the four murders and he couldn't think straight. Secondly, he did see her and feared that he did not have time to murder her prior to the arrival of police.

The fact that the fourth person to see him was left alive doesn't support either theory that he intended to kill everyone, or that he only intended to kill (perhaps kidnap) Maddie.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Otto, I don't think he was caring who all he was going to kill...he wanted to kill everyone in that house...but on his way down he saw Dylan..she was awake and standing..she may have heard everything..the police would now be coming as she may have called 911..he has to run..believe me...if he thought she was sleeping through it it would have murdered both of the other girls.

mOO

You and I agree but Otto's point is that the prosecution doesn't need to argue for what BK intended to do. We know what he DID. The jury will see he's a murderous dirtbag based on the simplest presentation of the facts.

 

[minazoe]

That seems likely, especially given his fascination with Ted Bundy. However, all that can be proven is that he intended to kill Maddie, and that three others were murdered because they became aware of that plan.

The fact that the fourth person to discover that he was in the house was left alive could be interpreted in two ways. First, he didn't actually see her. That is, his brain was fried from the four murders and he couldn't think straight. Secondly, he did see her and feared that he did not have time to murder her prior to the arrival of police.

The fact that the fourth person to see him was left alive doesn't support either theory that he intended to kill everyone, or that he only intended to kill (perhaps kidnap) Maddie.

I don't see how it is proven that he intended to kill Maddie or Maddie only..there were cars parked there he knew multiple people lived there.

 

[otto]

Right. I'm of the "he's an intentional mass murdered" thought. But what they can prove is that he went to Maddie's room so he intended to kill that occupant but found 2 people and killed them both. He encountered Xana and killed her and killed Ethan because he was in the room. It's a coherent story for the jury. It requires no motive other than "he did a home invasion and went into Maddie's room to kill her."

For what it's worth, I think BK will really really hate that to listen to prosecutors argue for a case that doesn't fit the facts as they exist in his head. So win-win!

Exactly. He does not go down in history as a Bundy copycat. He is reduced to a home-invasion murderer of one young student, who then killed three other students to eliminate witnesses. He's a sloppy, disorganized killer with one intended victim who made such a mess of it that he killed three more to avoid arrest.

 

[otto]

You and I agree but Otto's point is that the prosecution doesn't need to argue for what BK intended to do. We know what he DID. The jury will see he's a murderous dirtbag based on the simplest presentation of the facts.

Kohberger would like nothing more than to see the prosecution argue that he is Mr Bundy 2.0, who cleverly planned to kill 4 students to imitate his favourite serial killer. Even the recent article claiming that Kohberger's motive was to impress a criminology professor feeds into Kohberger's desire to be a notorious mass murderer.

The prosecution has to connect the dots and nothing more, and the dots tell us that Maddie was the target while three others were murdered to eliminate witnesses. One criminal, one victim, and three dead witnesses. No planned mass murder ... just an everyday home invasion murder.

 

[SteveP]

@BrianEntin


Jury selection in the Bryan Kohberger trial will begin with a written questionnaire -- and then after groups of potential jurors are ruled out -- the in-person questioning by lawyers will begin.I don't think it's going to be as hard as some predict.It starts the end of July.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924512956970045622

I have never thought that it might take an especially long amount of time to seat a jury for this trial, even with the death penalty in play. It took 2 weeks to seat a jury, in the same area, for the Chad Daybell trial, a very high-profile case, where he was charged with murdering his first wife and his second wife, Lori Vallow's, 2 youngest children, and he was sentenced to death.

I believe that same approximate amount of time has been set aside for jury selection in this case, with selection starting July 30, and trial scheduled to begin on Aug 11. I do not anticipate it taking longer than that, to select a jury, and I believe that any impact the recent Dateline episode will have on jury selection will be negligible. JMO

 

[SteveP]

Kohberger would like nothing more than to see the prosecution argue that he is Mr Bundy 2.0, who cleverly planned to kill 4 students to imitate his favourite serial killer. Even the recent article claiming that Kohberger's motive was to impress a criminology professor feeds into Kohberger's desire to be a notorious mass murderer.

The prosecution has to connect the dots and nothing more, and the dots tell us that Maddie was the target while three others were murdered to eliminate witnesses. One criminal, one victim, and three dead witnesses. No planned mass murder ... just an everyday home invasion murder.

I agree completely. Motive does not have to be determined in order to find someone guilty of a crime, but we all know that a jury wants to see one. The scenario you just painted fits the bill perfectly, and does not take a lot of leaps to believe in. I expect the jury will accept that Maddie was the target, even though we may not know why, and the others were, for lack of a better word, collateral damage, in his efforts to get away without being caught. JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Exactly. He does not go down in history as a Bundy copycat. He is reduced to a home-invasion murderer of one young student, who then killed three other students to eliminate witnesses. He's a sloppy, disorganized killer with one intended victim who made such a mess of it that he killed three more to avoid arrest.

I think for sure he was a Bundy copy-cat (JMO, of course) but just as with school shooters, if we can avoid amplifying these killers and their delusions of grandeur, we should. Let's not send him to prison with the perverse accolades he wants.

My guess is that the parents may not all feel the same way and I can understand that.

 

[Kudzuu]

. I haven’t seen any reporting that BK studied incel-type mass murderers, so maybe he isn’t like them after all (though he presented to me as one—until I saw the recent Dateline episode). He’s even more inexplicably evil.

IMOO

Can you explain "incel-type mass murderers"?

Also, how he presented to you as one? What in the Dateline episode made you change your mind?

I'm reading the I 5 Killer and between that, P Diddy and this case my mind is working overtime. Randall Woodfield was a deviant and couldn't seem to have a normal sexual relationship. And the mother! Lots of serial killers have issues with women due to their mother's WTH.

I'm thinking BK has mommy issues too. Maybe some physical issues as well.

Moo

 

[DizzyB]

I think for sure he was a Bundy copy-cat (JMO, of course) but just as with school shooters, if we can avoid amplifying these killers and their delusions of grandeur, we should. Let's not send him to prison with the perverse accolades he wants.

My guess is that the parents may not all feel the same way and I can understand that.

I feel like he might want to be remembered as the best version of all of the big name murderers. He studied them, probably decided what he determined to be flaws in their plans, and wanted to correct their mistakes and proudly sit on the top of the heap.