4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[PunishThenForgive]

The data sites are great, even Delphi historical creek levels were available.

MOO as for BK, birthday was coming up so he went to go see and ended up doing it. I think ice fog is a bit luminous, plus he had his high school Ranger aspirations so probably knew how to get and preserve his night vision.

How do you mean? Do you think he used night-vision goggles?

I didn’t know ice fog was luminous!

When AT first floated the moon and stars “alibi,” I immediately searched for the weather conditions on November 13 and saw the words “ice fog” for the first time. I’ve never witnessed it to my knowledge.

I was disappointed when I read something similar to the following, which Google AI just generated:

Yes, it is possible to see stars during ice fog, although visibility may be reduced. Ice fog, a type of fog composed of tiny ice crystals, can scatter and absorb some light, making the stars appear dimmer or less distinct. However, unlike dense clouds which completely block light, ice fog allows some starlight to pass through.

Elaboration:

• Ice fog and light scattering:
  Ice fog, formed when the temperature drops below freezing, consists of tiny ice crystals that are smaller than the wavelengths of visible light. These ice crystals can scatter and absorb some of the light from the stars, reducing their brightness.
  
  
• Reduced visibility:
  While the stars will still be visible, their brightness may be diminished, and their edges might appear less sharp due to the scattering of light.
  
  
• Partly clear skies:
  The visibility of stars during ice fog depends on the density of the fog. If the ice fog is thin or patchy, you might be able to see the stars fairly well. However, if the fog is thick and dense, the stars will be less visible, and they might even appear as faint, blurry patches.
  
  
• Comparison to clouds:
  Unlike dense clouds, which can completely block light and make the stars invisible, ice fog allows some starlight to pass through. This means that you can still see the stars, even if their visibility is reduced.
  
  
• Factors affecting visibility:
  Other factors, such as the distance to the stars, the presence of other light sources (like streetlights or city lights), and your own eye's ability to adapt to the dark, can also affect how well you can see stars during ice fog.

Apparently, I missed the part about light scattering off the ice fog crystals. Sounds beautiful.

 

[Boxer]

Where on Queen?

Basically east of the front parking area, on Queen. Parking facing downhill just in front of a couple of trees just a little north of lateral with the front of the house.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

His stabbing of the victims was a BTK move...I wonder if he wanted to combine pages from both Bundy and BTK's playbooks.

I thought BTK didn’t like stabbing his victims. Too messy, chaotic.

IMO

 

[DizzyB]

I’m surprised that BK didn’t trip on that small step by Dylan’s door. He had to negotiate it a couple of times, and it seems an unnatural place to have a change in grade.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Basically east of the front parking area, on Queen. Parking facing downhill just in front of a couple of trees just a little north of lateral with the front of the house.

If the photographer James Keivom is right about witnessing the reenactment, it looks like investigators think BK traveled a little higher than that on the drive between the house and adjacent apartment complex.

By the way, although the address is 1122 King Road, the road in front of the house is Queen. (Sorry, if you already know!) The drive between the house and complex may also be Queen, but it isn’t labeled on Google Maps.



Even the locals (understandably) get it wrong, based on body cam footage.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I’m surprised that BK didn’t trip on that small step by Dylan’s door. He had to negotiate it a couple of times, and it seems an unnatural place to have a change in grade.

If he watched the TikTok video of the roommates pretending to be each other, he may have noticed the step.

 

[Boxer]

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If the photographer James Keivom is right about witnessing the reenactment, it looks like investigators think BK traveled a little higher than that on the drive between the house and adjacent apartment complex.

By the way, although the address is 1122 King Road, the road in front of the house is Queen. (Sorry, if you already know!). The drive between the house and complex may also be Queen, but it isn’t labeled on Google Maps.

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Even the locals get it wrong, based on body cam footage.

True.
The turn to go to the back of 1122, that runs between the house and Queen Apts. is where i was talking about. Not saying thats where he parked, just that if he did, it was possible to see his car from BFs window.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

DBM

 

[Tealgrove]

I guess I missed something.

BF saw BK naked from her bedroom window?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I've been adamant about this for a long time now.

Let's put ourselves in his shoes (all MOO):

His plan dramatically fell apart. Killed 3 people more than we think he intended to kill. That's a lot of unanticipated violence. A lot more blood. A lot more unpredictability. Loud noises (thumps and furniture) one of which could be heard on neighboring cameras accompanied by dog barks.

Now we find out he might have sat down in exhaustion.

Remember, we'er starting to hear (IMO) evidence that Xana may have gone upstairs causing Kohberger to chase her (forgetting the sheath) which might have led to her death. His intention was to probably prevent her from calling the police.

IMO, when he made eye contact with Dylan he was likely shocked. Probably thought she heard and/or witnessed the entire thing and knew what had just transpired. So he high tailed it out of the neighborhood. And I believe that BF saw him outside of her bedroom window getting out of his bloody clothing while running to the car.

Lastly, I've always thought that his drive by the house that morning wasn't to bask in glory, or see a frantic scene of law enforcement and yellow tape.....

IMO, Kohberger saw Dylan and figured that she had most certainly called the police. So when the morning rolled around and he didn't see anything reported he drove by the house in utter disbelief (IMO).

I don't think it was in a "did I imagine the entire thing" sort of way (obviously) but I do think he was probably utterly confused, because again, he saw Dylan.

All MOO

@schooling, if Bethany could see BK outside her window, couldn’t anyone else who happened to drive or walk by on Queen Road (to leave or return to the large apartment complex)?

 

[girlhasnoname]

My husband, mother, stepmother, MIL, FIL, SIL, BIL, etc would have NO IDEA who Bryan Kohberger is. Or any of the other cases we follow here.

Completely agree, I often bring up the current 'hot case' I'm following on WS to friends and they generally have no idea what I am talking about.

It's only fellow True Crime followers who know anything about it. I don't think the Dateline special will affect the trial, as I mentioned earlier, the Defense can weed out any 'case followers' during the Voir Dire process.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Interesting idea that BF might have witnessed BK removing his kill clothes. I don’t think anyone else has suggested that and if it true, what an evidentiary treasure! Like video of Murdaugh at the dog kennel. OMO.

Early on there was a rumor of seeing a 'naked man', I posted back then maybe it was Bry removing his kill suit down to his underwear. BF has a window that overlooks the parking lot IIRC.

MOO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I guess I missed something.

BF saw BK naked from her bedroom window?

Sorry, I thought @schooling had hypothesized that Bethany Funke had seen a naked BK outside her window (as reported by one of the tabloids way back).

When I searched for Schooling’s post to confirm this and add his post to my own, I accidentally published my own post before it was ready.

I went ahead and deleted my post immediately so others wouldn’t be confused before I had time to edit it.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I have talked to my husband about this case and anytime I mention it he has no clue what I'm talking about. Same with my adult children. It's like I have to start from the beginning every time. So I don't bring it up with them anymore.

Yes, and do they look at you like you've gone a little nuts? Hubs always asks me if he should be concerned with my fascination of True Crime.

 

[girlhasnoname]

• NewAmended Order Governing Courtroom Conduct

No live streaming of the trial?? Item E) Streaming of Court Proceedings, Page 3 of above link.

EBM: Am I understanding this correctly or do I need 2 more cups of coffee?

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don’t know how many TB she’s wanting to go through on her own without assistance for 2 DP cases & still complain she isn’t getting it fast enough but yet it’s too much for just one of those. I do know JH wasn’t thrilled when she tried to complain about BK’s case being overwhelming for her.

Maybe she can request assistance from NASA with all her requests from under the sun.

JMO

Or Hercules...

Any DP case is of huge magnitude IMO, regardless of TB. I'm like Judge Hippler in being shocked that AT took on another during this massive high profile case.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I wonder how much exterior light was present while BK made his way to the slider. Here are photos taken after the murders, when a security guard was present 24/7:

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Everything is well-lit so the guard can monitor the area.

The patio is especially bright, so I assume the patio lamp is turned on, in addition to the hanging lights. (I have no idea why the side of the house is so bright.)

Here’s a screenshot from the daytime body-cam footage of Kaylee that shows the location of the patio lamp:

View attachment 586084And this screenshot of night-time body cam footage shows the lit patio lamp:

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Notice that the patio string lights aren’t present yet.

I can’t find a photo of the patio illuminated with the string lights only.

I think the roommates likely kept the exterior of their house quite dark after they went to bed. I remember reading/hearing how dark the area is at night and that some neighbors would wear headlamps to walk their dogs at night.

In the nighttime body cam footage, note the police officers’ use of flashlights in the screenshot above and in the one below, where Xana doesn’t even turn on the front door lamp while she’s being interviewed:

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All IMOO, of course.

Good pictures, thanks. I wonder if Xana would have turned on the back patio lights on specifically for her DD delivery?

 

[girlhasnoname]

And then there’s the question of how much interior light BK had.

Here is the famous TikTok video of the roommates acting as each other, which someone helpfully copied as a YouTube Short (just so I could access it—thank you!)

I can’t see any wall or ceiling lamps that might be controlled by the two visible light switches. Could the bright illumination of the living room be due to the massive strings of fairy lights alone? If so, I doubt the roommates would keep them on all night.

It appears they did keep the TV on all night, so that would provide some light:

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As would the Good Vibes sign and the small string of fairy lights that wrap around a nearby table. Could the living room have been this light as while BK was wreaking havoc?

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Xana had to have some light to make her way to the kitchen and possibly eat her snack in the living room, after all.

IMOO, of course.

That very visible hand print under the Good Vibes sign is eery.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

No live streaming of the trial?? Item E) Streaming of Court Proceedings, Page 3 of above link.

I think (hope) Judge Hippler is simply referring to the change in the streaming address.

From the Order Governing Courtroom Conduct (September 18, 2024):



From the Amended Order Governing Courtroom Conduct (May 14, 2025):

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think (hope) Judge Hippler is simply referring to the change in the streaming address.

From the Order Governing Courtroom Conduct (September 18, 2024):

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From the Amended Order Governing Courtroom Conduct (May 14, 2025):

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That makes sense after seeing the new streaming address, I hope you are correct. I will be glued to computer I know , just like I was during the Murdaugh trial. Plus, I want to see Hippler live in action.