4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[MeadowMuffin]

Do you all remember the case of Elliot Rodgers? The college kid who went on a crime spree killing many people, I believe both guys and girls. His main target was generic hot blonde girls. Because his type was blonde girls. And he was pissed off that he got rejected by so many of them. It was not one blonde girl in particular. He also killed some guys too, because he was pissed off at cute couples too, because he wasn't in one of those. And you know who idolized Elliot Rodgers? Bryan Kohberger.

So the idea that he just had one target is kind of silly. He just wanted to kill blonde girls. He perhaps focused more on Maddie Kaylee and Xana because he has some connection to them through various means, such as vegetarian restaurant and or Instagrams he's seen of them. Maybe meeting Kaylee at a pool party. Also perhaps he liked some things about the location, such as about the separated nature of the house, and the big windows in the back. But it really probably could have been any house of girls. It just happened to be them. Endlessly speculating on who was the specific target is kind of silly.

How do we know that BK idolized ER? I must have missed that. Link?

 

[LinasK]

That pool party interactions story just gives me weirder vibes and more creepiness from BK's standpoint. man, that is weird.

I am actually surprised the girls gave him their phone numbers. Why would you do that to someone you just met for 1 minute??? I would have expected he would be given a fake number or whatever girls do when they don't want to give a man their number that asked.

BK probably went to the other side of the pool and called each of them, saw if they looked at or answered their phone (TO MAKE SURE THEY GAVE HIM A CORRECT PHONE NUMBER), then hang up. That is very creepy.

Because sometimes under stress you do stupid things that you know better than to- like giving your real phone number. It happened to me. Under pressure I gave my number to a creepy guy who I think was a serial killer. As soon as I did, I realized that I should have given him a fake phone number. Fortunately, when he called me for a modeling job, I angered him and scared him off when I told him I was bringing my boyfriend along.

 

[LinasK]

Let me ask for opinions here:

What are the chances BK pleads guilty right before the trial?

I give it 60% chance.

What say you????

Less than 50%. His ego won't allow it.

 

[LinasK]

This might be a dumb question but jumping off this post, wouldn't BK's attorney have to run his defense strategy past him? Wouldn't he have to approve her using those defense strategies, or can she just say anything she wants to try and get him off? That is a real question, I don't know the answer and I'd like to.

Yes he has to approve the defense. The client is always in charge, even when they are a fool.

 

[CrimeJunkie82]

So if they look at almost everyone's phone who is a true crime junkie or their library check out history we are all guilty of something? Just making an observation and trying to point out that you cant always go by someones browser history. Do I think he guilty? I honestly don't know. I am anxiously waiting for the trial to start, especially in light of the Dateline episodel

 

[CrimeJunkie82]

Less than 50%. His ego won't allow it.

Im going with less than that and say 20 percent. He has a cocky look on his face

 

[CrimeJunkie82]

Yes he has to approve the defense. The client is always in charge, even when they are a fool.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

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Just inquired with DH, who has been both defense and prosecution. The way DH explained it, an attorney decides on strategy he/she feels is best to defend their client. If the client does not agree or is not cooperative, the client can engage a different lawyer.

If the defense finds it too difficult to represent his/her client because the client is rejecting the strategy or being obstinate, defense can explain this to the court and ask to be allowed to

Replying to my own post because I got interrupted, didn’t finish, and the hour was up

… allowed to break the relationship. If defense counsel and his client are at constant loggerheads, attorney can’t provide adequate and responsible representation.

OMO.

@LinasK gave a more concise answer!

 

[pittsburghgirl]

And didn't AT have to enter the plea for him?

They "stood silent" without making a plea and the judge entered the "not guilty" plea for him.

 

[minazoe]

I think he was setting himself apart with his choice of weapon. mOO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

My probable does not include Maddie being the target. Doesn't mean I'm right, I just haven't seen any facts that proves she was so I reserve judgment. ATM, I think it was just the house.

This is where I am. I can't go with the "He went to Maddie's room first" as an argument that she was "the target" until we see evidence of that. However, I don't have a problem with the prosecution making that argument to the jury.

 

[iamshadow21]

They could have made sure the slider was always locked.

That's something I stressed to my daughter and her friends. In her first apartment with her 2 friends, they'd leave the door unlocked sometimes. I drilled it into them that they could not do that. They had to accept that it was dangerous. They weren't living at home with their families in the suburbs anymore.

How do we know it wasn't? Those things are ridiculously easy to bypass, there have been videos posted to the thread in the past.

MOO

 

[Sundog]

I think they'd be allowed to show a Kabar if they do show evidence that he actually bought one on Amazon. He allegedly left the sheath behind so there is evidence he brought one with him.

It's not prejudicial , it's instructive. Maybe?

But we know from earlier posters that people purchase KaBar knife sheaths for knives that are not KaBar. So a KaBar sheath does not necessarily mean a KaBar knife, it could have been a KaBar sheath and a different brand of knife.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

How do we know that BK idolized ER? I must have missed that. Link?

This is from Appelman's book:

“It did not seem a coincidence that among the items seized from Kohberger’s home in Pennsylvania, according to the Evidence Log, was a “book with underlining on page 118.” Elliot Rodger had written a manifesto that described his loneliness and inability to connect with women. On page 118 of that manifesto were the lines, Women must be punished for their crimes of rejecting such a magnificent gentleman as myself. All of those popular boys must be punished for enjoying heavenly lives and having sex with all the girls while I had to suffer.”

While Idaho Slept: The Hunt for Answers in the Murders of Four College Students

Quote shared via Kindle: "It did not seem a coincidence that among the items seized from Kohberger’s home in Pennsylvania, according to the Evidence Log, was a “book with underlining on page 118.” Elliot Rodger had written a manifesto that described his lon...

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Now, this is a slippery connection, as Appelman doesn't state directly that the book they found was Rodger's manifesto; he juxtaposes the two so a reader will assume that's the book in the Evidence Log. And perhaps it is. I think that idea got traction because Rodger killed college students and there was that social media poster "Pappa Rodger" that some people in the media and the blog/podcast world thought that was a Kohberger alter ego. But if the book with the underlining on page 118 turns out to be Rodger's manifesto, that's our answer.

 

[Boxer]

This is from Appelman's book:

Now, this is a slippery connection, as Appelman doesn't state directly that the book they found was Rodger's manifesto; he juxtaposes the two so a reader will assume that's the book in the Evidence Log. And perhaps it is. I think that idea got traction because Rodger killed college students and there was that social media poster "Pappa Rodger" that some people in the media and the blog/podcast world thought that was a Kohberger alter ego. But if the book with the underlining on page 118 turns out to be Rodger's manifesto, that's our answer.

ERs manifesto isnt in book form as far as I know. It would be printed out.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

The thing is, though, this crime is not a cautionary tale. It's a bolt from the blue. There is nothing that the victims being 'more aware' could have done to change the outcome. In fact, we have heard that one was a websleuther herself.

How would being more aware of a crime like this help a young person? Wouldn't it just cause fear of something unlikely to happen, that is completely out of their control to prevent?

MOO

They could have made sure the slider was always locked.

That's something I stressed to my daughter and her friends. In her first apartment with her 2 friends, they'd leave the door unlocked sometimes. I drilled it into them that they could not do that. They had to accept that it was dangerous. They weren't living at home with their families in the suburbs anymore.

How do we know it wasn't? Those things are ridiculously easy to bypass, there have been videos posted to the thread in the past.

MOO

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[PunishThenForgive]

The thing is, though, this crime is not a cautionary tale. It's a bolt from the blue. There is nothing that the victims being 'more aware' could have done to change the outcome. In fact, we have heard that one was a websleuther herself.

How would being more aware of a crime like this help a young person? Wouldn't it just cause fear of something unlikely to happen, that is completely out of their control to prevent?

MOO

Yes, an event such as the Idaho murders is indeed exceedingly rare, but IMO a young person can learn so much from it by treating it as a cautionary tale.

Caveat: I AM NOT BLAMING THE VICTIMS.

Source for the following: me

WHAT A YOUNG PERSON CAN LEARN FROM THE IDAHO MURDERS:

1) If you have a sliding door, improve its security. (See my previous post.)

2) Keep windows locked, even the ones upstairs.

3) Keep doors locked, especially the external ones.

4) Install and use security cameras at each entry way, at least. A pair of light bulb cameras are easy to install and can be purchased on Amazon for about $40 (before tax) in the U.S.

5) Install an alarm system, if you or your parents can afford it.

6) Draw your curtains and blinds at night and while everyone is away from home so people can’t see inside your house. Add a curtain to your slider, as well.

7) If pets are allowed, get a large, protective dog for your house and make sure the dog can bark loudly.

8) Develop a cordial relationship with police so you aren’t afraid to call them when you are scared.

9) Manage your social media privacy settings so that only people you trust can view your content.

10) Learn first aid, including CPR (which includes checking and maintaining an airway). Learn how to recognize and respond to someone who is dangerously intoxicated. If someone has passed out, roll them into recovery position and call 911.

11) Create a well-stocked first aid kit and learn how to use it. Include doses of Narcan, and learn how and when to administer it.

12) Practice the 20-minute rule for alcohol consumption, and never drive or walk home while drunk.

13) Don’t walk or exercise at night by yourself, and always be aware of your surroundings. Even when with friends, carry a Mace or pepper spray canister with an alarm. If you must walk that large protective dog at night, do the same, and wear a head lamp if it’s very dark.

14) Vary your routine so a predator can’t predict your patterns.

15) Don’t prank your friends by pretending a truly dangerous thing is happening.

16) Keep a fire extinguisher in your kitchen and know how to use it. Also keep a smoke detector in each room. (OK, these have no relevance to this case, but they are important).

17) Use CO monitors in each room.

18) Read Gavin de Becker’s classic, The Gift of Fear.

19) Take a self defense class and maintain your skills.

20) (I know, in my dreams): If you are in a party house, make a pact that at least one person will be sober each night. That person should confirm that all windows and doors are locked, the alarm is set, security cameras are working, and that no one is literally passed out drunk. If anyone is unconscious, check their airway, breathing, and circulation, and start rescue breathing and chest compressions, if necessary, while another friend calls 911. If your unconscious friend is breathing, roll them into recovery position, and call 911. Administer Narcan if your friend overdosed on a narcotic.

If anyone can think of anything else or can suggest a correction, please chime in!

 

[katydid23]

But we know from earlier posters that people purchase KaBar knife sheaths for knives that are not KaBar. So a KaBar sheath does not necessarily mean a KaBar knife, it could have been a KaBar sheath and a different brand of knife.

True, but we know that this sheath had BK's DNA on it.
And he allegedly bought a sheath like that AND a Kabar knife on Amazon.

So I think it is a logical assumption that he came to the scene with both of those purchases from Amazon. IMO

 

[iamshadow21]

Yes, an event such as the Idaho murders is indeed exceedingly rare, but IMO a young person can learn so much from it by treating it as a cautionary tale.

Caveat: I AM NOT BLAMING THE VICTIMS.

Source for the following: me

WHAT A YOUNG PERSON CAN LEARN FROM THE IDAHO MURDERS:

1) If you have a sliding door, improve its security. (See my previous post.)

2) Keep windows locked, even the ones upstairs.

3) Keep doors locked, especially the external ones.

4) Install and use security cameras at each entry way, at least. A pair of light bulb cameras are easy to install and can be purchased on Amazon for about $40 (before tax) in the U.S.

5) Install an alarm system, if you or your parents can afford it.

6) Draw your curtains and blinds at night and while everyone is away from home so people can’t see inside your house. Add a curtain to your slider, as well.

7) If pets are allowed, get a large, protective dog for your house and make sure the dog can bark loudly.

8) Develop a cordial relationship with police so you aren’t afraid to call them when you are scared.

9) Manage your social media privacy settings so that only people you trust can view your content.

10) Learn first aid, including CPR (which includes checking and maintaining an airway). Learn how to recognize and respond to someone who is dangerously intoxicated. If someone has passed out, roll them into recovery position and call 911.

11) Create a well-stocked first aid kit and learn how to use it. Include doses of Narcan, and learn how and when to administer it.

12) Practice the 20-minute rule for alcohol consumption, and never drive or walk home while drunk.

13) Don’t walk or exercise at night by yourself, and always be aware of your surroundings. Even when with friends, carry a Mace or pepper spray canister with an alarm. If you must walk that large protective dog at night, do the same, and wear a head lamp if it’s very dark.

14) Vary your routine so a predator can’t predict your patterns.

15) Don’t prank your friends by pretending a truly dangerous thing is happening.

16) Keep a fire extinguisher in your kitchen and know how to use it. Also keep a smoke detector in each room. (OK, these have no relevance to this case, but they are important).

17) Use CO monitors in each room.

18) Read Gavin de Becker’s classic, The Gift of Fear.

19) Take a self defense class and maintain your skills.

20) (I know, in my dreams): If you are in a party house, make a pact that at least one person will be sober each night. That person should confirm that all windows and doors are locked, the alarm is set, security cameras are working, and that no one is literally passed out drunk. If anyone is unconscious, check their airway, breathing, and circulation, and start rescue breathing and chest compressions, if necessary, while another friend calls 911. If your unconscious friend is breathing, roll them into recovery position, and call 911. Administer Narcan if your friend overdosed on a narcotic.

If anyone can think of anything else or can suggest a correction, please chime in!

I think you're missing the point I was making, which was, they could have done everything possible and it would not have changed the outcome.

As someone with an anxiety disorder severe enough to put me on disability, I don't see how conditioning someone to live with the perpetual fear of the highly unlikely is helpful. It's a miserable way to live.

MOO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I regularly refer to this virtual tour of the house where the murders occurred, and was pleasantly surprised that new content was just added on Tuesday, May 20:

Virtual Tour of 1122 King Road, Moscow, Idaho

Virtual Tour | In the early hours of November 13, 2022, a mass murder took pl... | 1122 King Road

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(Please give me a heads up via DM if this website is not allowed.)