4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

99.0% of hunting knives are used either for hunting or even never used. Higher than guns.

But if you regulate hunting knives, why not kitchen and butcher knives? They are used much more to kill people.

I think its a slippery slope to ban or regulate items that can be used for evil acts.

JMO

I'm not certain but I think in my country it's really hard or not even possible to buy a sharp or large knife from the kitchen home-ware stores etc and butchers have to be verified and carry their knives in a special way. We've also got super strict rules about anyone found with any type of blade in their pockets or bag when out on the street.

Not that there isn't a knife crime problem because there is and there's all sorts of news stories about huge terrifying 'zombie knives' and machetes being used by certain types. Also there's craft knives - Stanley Knives, in decorators and arts stores.

I think it would be considered very weird to know someone had a large knife. People such as Scouts or campers carrying Swiss Army knives is even an old fashioned idea. Maybe it's just my POV, I might be out of kilter with thinking. JMO.
 
I don't want to get inside the mind of a criminal or stare into the BK abyss, but I'm curious whether anybody here has any insight into what he might be thinking as he sits in jail. I imagine he has a cell to himself, for his own protection.

Here's someone who, while not fantastically successful, did enjoy certain freedoms up until a few years ago and accomplished some things few people do -- the Master's, the PhD program. He wasn't maybe collecting accolades or winning friends, but he was living, moving and having being. Star gazing, tailgating, veganating...

So what's he doing now?

Push-ups?
Running in place?
Saving up to call home? Every day and twice on Sunday?
Does he have any portion of discovery to pour through?
Does he?
Does he read?
Does he interact?
Does he imagine being exonerated?
Does he have actual aspirations? Regrets? Does he have the capacity to feel bad?
Is he bored? Angry?
Does he feel detached from his current reality?
Does he write letters? Motions? Manifestos? A diary?
Does he relive his crimes?
Is he plotting future ones?
Is he mad at himself, for perceived missteps?
Is he pleased with himself? Finding fault in others?
Does he really think he'll ever be out?
Does he care?
Does he stare at the wall?
Does the wall stare back?

If he had it to do all over again, would he...
...do it differently? Or.... not do it at all? Or do it....worse?

JMlatenightMusings
Good musings and important to the potential "backstory" of BK, @Megnut!

Bouncing off those questions, I personally don't think if he had it to do all over again, he would do anything differently, and he got what he wanted: free lodging and a deep dodge away from RL, in perpetuity. And he doesn't care if he ever gets out because....

JOO (a lot of JOO ;)):

He's right where he wants to be and is just fine in his self-imposed isolation from society with all the creature comforts prison and the justice system offers. He's probably much more comfortable there even if he's a little bored from not being able to do whatever the heck he wants on the internet, lurk around & stalk women, go to school, go for runs, and star gaze.

He was more than ready to opt out of RL in a blaze of depraved criminal glory, and go down in the annals of crime history as the quadruple murderer who lined everything up in advance. To obfuscate justice for the victims and their loved ones, terrorize young people attending college and their communities and society at large (especially young, successful, popular and well adjusted and attractive women - everything he isn't and couldn't be involved with except as a lurker/stalker through SM) and make it all truly difficult and super complex for the Moscow LE, state of ID and federal legal systems (remembering the FBI was called in to assist LE fairly quickly) to process.

I may be in the minority, but I've always thought he got caught on purpose. Through planted evidence [e.g., a smidgen of touch DNA on the sheath he left under one of the bodies of his victims] or making sure his car was seen on camera or his cellphone pinged in places near the murders [creating hundreds of hours of painstaking work for LE to sift through video footage and cell tower data] that would take awhile to lead back to him, and even then it would just be circumstantial evidence.

I think he was gleeful about all the things he did to make the investigation complex as all get out, and was primarily/ultimately desperately seeking notoriety/being an infamous criminal mastermind, which was a huge motivator for him, following in the footsteps of other killers he studied and likely idolized.

I think he got a lot of gratification from playing cat & mouse with LE, leaving lots of bread crumbs that would create uncertainty regarding the perpetrator, eventually leading to a SODDI/TODDI defense and never a whisper of guilt/involvement uttered from his lips. He stood silent in court when the charges against him were read and continues, AFAIK, to hope to be exonerated as he said through his 1st lawyer in PA when he was arrested and being held in jail. No declarations from him of innocence or wanting to be free from imprisonment, or desire to expedite the legal process, etc. I think he's happy to bide his time in prison waiting to see how things turn out for him with the public defenders battling it out with the state prosecutors, and it's all free, so no skin off his back, there is such a thing as a free lunch after all.

I think he fashioned himself as a victim of RL due to his issues with not being adept at functioning well in society and his criminal tendencies. Notwithstanding the RL support system he had in place from his family, professors, maybe some mentors through jobs he had, peeps on SM (no RL friends in recent years AFAIK), and medical professionals throughout the years of his youth and young adulthood.

I think he was a ticking time bomb as an independent adult away from home/his support system for the first time, attending a graduate program in person (having gone to school locally and remotely for several years prior, AFAIK) across the country. His release from the torments of his RL dysfunction was enacting his diabolical plan to murder Moscow college student(s), which was a long time in the making, to keep him from having to go on in RL where he wasn't making it, except in his mind as a criminal mastermind.

Depravity doesn't even begin to cover the horrific crimes and devastation he wrought, and with no remorse, so he could parachute into a soft landing in the prison system from the hard knocks of his RL. An outboarded, twisted version of 'suicide by cop', but played out over the long run, cuz he's never getting out of prison. But he's got all the details of what he did and his RL victimhood to keep him company during the long hours sitting in his cell between meeting with his free public defense team and easting and sleeping. Not so bad of a setup if you're not down for RL.

All my long winded JMO, again... 😌

I'm really looking forward to his trial coming up soon, and justice for Kaylee, Maddie, Xana, and Ethan and their loved ones!!
 
Yes! But it didn’t seem to work for BK. According to the New York Post:



Source: What we know about idaho suspect bryan kohbergers parents

Wouldn’t his Mom have made sure her son received the help he needed? I wonder why she didn’t pursue an ASD diagnosis for him. Perhaps their school district didn’t have adequate funding for the excellent interventions you discussed.

IMOO
In all fairness, we don’t know what help his parents provided. Sometimes a psychopath/sociopath is just that. I do not believe ASD played any role whatsoever in his murder spree. BK is responsible for his own premeditated actions…no excuses for his pathetic existence. No blame for his family either.
 
It varies by state, but it is actually illegal to carry a knife with a blade longer than 4 inches in the US
While some states have restrictions or bans on certain types of knives, such as switchblades, gravity knives, and the like, fixed-blade knives are legal to own and carry in most states, including Idaho. Relatively very few states have any regulation as to blade size that can be carried, as seen on chart in link.

4. Fixed-Blade Knives​

Fixed-blade knives, including hunting and survival knives, have a blade that does not fold and is permanently extended. These knives are valued for their strength and reliability.

  • General Legal Status:
    Fixed-blade knives are generally legal to own and carry in most states, with some restrictions.
    • Montana and Wyoming allow unrestricted carry of fixed-blade knives.
    • California requires fixed-blade knives to be carried openly in a sheath.
  • Common Restrictions:
    • Blade length limits for concealed carry are common in urban areas.
    • Prohibited in schools and some public buildings.

12. Idaho
  • General Overview: Idaho has permissive knife laws, allowing the ownership and carry of most knives.
  • Permitted Knife Types: All knives, including switchblades and automatic knives, are legal to own and carry.
  • Prohibited Knife Types: No specific knife types are prohibited.
  • Carry Laws: Open and concealed carry are legal without a permit.

47. Washington​

  • General Overview: Washington enforces restrictions on carrying certain knives, particularly switchblades and gravity knives.
  • Permitted Knife Types: Folding knives and utility knives are legal to own.
  • Prohibited Knife Types: Switchblades and gravity knives are illegal to own or carry.
  • Carry Laws: Open carry is legal, but concealed carry of dangerous knives is prohibited.
  • Exceptions and Special Provisions: Knives used for hunting, fishing, or work are often exempt.

38. Pennsylvania​

  • General Overview: Pennsylvania permits the ownership and carry of most knives, with certain restrictions on concealed carry.
  • Permitted Knife Types: All knives, including switchblades and automatic knives, are legal to own.
  • Prohibited Knife Types: No specific knife types are prohibited.
  • Carry Laws: Open carry is legal. Concealed carry of certain knives, such as dirks and daggers, is prohibited without a permit.
  • Exceptions and Special Provisions: Knives used for hunting, fishing, or other lawful purposes are generally exempt from restrictions.
 
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State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

6/2/2025

5/30/2025



6/18/2025
Hearing Scheduled (12:30 PM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

7/21/2025
CANCELED Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)
Vacated

7/30/2025
Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)


8/11/2025
Jury Trial (8:30 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)
 
While some states have restrictions or bans on certain types of knives, such as switchblades, gravity knives, and the like, fixed-blade knives are legal to own and carry in most states, including Idaho. Relatively very few states have any regulation as to blade size that can be carried, as seen on chart in link.

4. Fixed-Blade Knives​

Fixed-blade knives, including hunting and survival knives, have a blade that does not fold and is permanently extended. These knives are valued for their strength and reliability.

  • General Legal Status:
    Fixed-blade knives are generally legal to own and carry in most states, with some restrictions.
    • Montana and Wyoming allow unrestricted carry of fixed-blade knives.
    • California requires fixed-blade knives to be carried openly in a sheath.
  • Common Restrictions:
    • Blade length limits for concealed carry are common in urban areas.
    • Prohibited in schools and some public buildings.

12. Idaho
  • General Overview: Idaho has permissive knife laws, allowing the ownership and carry of most knives.
  • Permitted Knife Types: All knives, including switchblades and automatic knives, are legal to own and carry.
  • Prohibited Knife Types: No specific knife types are prohibited.
  • Carry Laws: Open and concealed carry are legal without a permit.

47. Washington​

  • General Overview: Washington enforces restrictions on carrying certain knives, particularly switchblades and gravity knives.
  • Permitted Knife Types: Folding knives and utility knives are legal to own.
  • Prohibited Knife Types: Switchblades and gravity knives are illegal to own or carry.
  • Carry Laws: Open carry is legal, but concealed carry of dangerous knives is prohibited.
  • Exceptions and Special Provisions: Knives used for hunting, fishing, or work are often exempt.

38. Pennsylvania​

  • General Overview: Pennsylvania permits the ownership and carry of most knives, with certain restrictions on concealed carry.
  • Permitted Knife Types: All knives, including switchblades and automatic knives, are legal to own.
  • Prohibited Knife Types: No specific knife types are prohibited.
  • Carry Laws: Open carry is legal. Concealed carry of certain knives, such as dirks and daggers, is prohibited without a permit.
  • Exceptions and Special Provisions: Knives used for hunting, fishing, or other lawful purposes are generally exempt from restrictions.
I am assuming that Carry Laws don't apply to carrying knives in your car, in the glove compartment, for example. Or maybe it does, and we never thought of that before.
 
I am assuming that Carry Laws don't apply to carrying knives in your car, in the glove compartment, for example. Or maybe it does, and we never thought of that before.
I believe that carry laws for knives generally apply to both body and vehicle. JMO
 
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Goodness me, I have FINALLY caught up to the very last submitted post having read every single one in all 108 threads! I have followed this case from about 10 days post murder and at times, have become so confused with legal jargon I give up for a while.

I am super grateful for everyone expressing their knowledge and wisdom on the US court systems (UK here), you are an incredibly clever bunch.
I remain truly thankful for all posts that people take time to write while things are "live" at that moment, reading your own exasperation, shock, hilarious quips makes the reader feel they are experiencing it "live" too...so PLEASE keep that up, especially as we approach trial. I doubt I will be able to watch much of the trail "live" so PLEASE sleuthers, be the eyes and ears for those outside of the US plus those busy.

I can't add much except..
Carving
To me, carving is a fluid motion with a knife/blade where the blade remains in contact with (in this case flesh) effectively drawing or writing something and I PRAY autopsy/LE were able to decipher something.. anything that could give an indication why he did that!
I definitely think him making a carving on EC was copy cat style from the sisters movie.
<modsnip - off topic unless/until it's brought up at trial>

Again, THANK YOU Websleuthers for the amazing posts in this thread!🥰
 
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Goodness me, I have FINALLY caught up to the very last submitted post having read every single one in all 108 threads! I have followed this case from about 10 days post murder and at times, have become so confused with legal jargon I give up for a while.

I am super grateful for everyone expressing their knowledge and wisdom on the US court systems (UK here), you are an incredibly clever bunch.
I remain truly thankful for all posts that people take time to write while things are "live" at that moment, reading your own exasperation, shock, hilarious quips makes the reader feel they are experiencing it "live" too...so PLEASE keep that up, especially as we approach trial. I doubt I will be able to watch much of the trail "live" so PLEASE sleuthers, be the eyes and ears for those outside of the US plus those busy.

I can't add much except..
Carving
To me, carving is a fluid motion with a knife/blade where the blade remains in contact with (in this case flesh) effectively drawing or writing something and I PRAY autopsy/LE were able to decipher something.. anything that could give an indication why he did that!
I definitely think him making a carving on EC was copy cat style from the sisters movie.

<modsnip - off topic>

Again, THANK YOU Websleuthers for the amazing posts in this thread!🥰

Hi @AcerPacer , that’s quite a commitment to read every post in all 108 of the threads!

Good work!

Feel welcome to join in if you so choose.
 
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Goodness me, I have FINALLY caught up to the very last submitted post having read every single one in all 108 threads! I have followed this case from about 10 days post murder and at times, have become so confused with legal jargon I give up for a while.

I am super grateful for everyone expressing their knowledge and wisdom on the US court systems (UK here), you are an incredibly clever bunch.
I remain truly thankful for all posts that people take time to write while things are "live" at that moment, reading your own exasperation, shock, hilarious quips makes the reader feel they are experiencing it "live" too...so PLEASE keep that up, especially as we approach trial. I doubt I will be able to watch much of the trail "live" so PLEASE sleuthers, be the eyes and ears for those outside of the US plus those busy.

I can't add much except..
Carving
To me, carving is a fluid motion with a knife/blade where the blade remains in contact with (in this case flesh) effectively drawing or writing something and I PRAY autopsy/LE were able to decipher something.. anything that could give an indication why he did that!
I definitely think him making a carving on EC was copy cat style from the sisters movie.

<modsnip - off topic>

Again, THANK YOU Websleuthers for the amazing posts in this thread!🥰
Dude, that's a ton of reading !, you get a BAM!
 
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Dude, that's a ton of reading !, you get a BAM!
And a BAM back atcha!🥰
I couldn't believe I managed to get up to date.. I usually read until my eyes are closing, bookmark and come back the next time to find I'm another 10 pages behind!

It really is such a nice experience to be able to read everything in chronological order without delay, like a great big box set! Comments following comments, ideas bounced, debunked and thrashed through, links attached to show evidence of fact..

I need another case/thread to start on now ..
Any suggestions of something that's still ongoing please anyone?🥰
 
And a BAM back atcha!🥰
I couldn't believe I managed to get up to date.. I usually read until my eyes are closing, bookmark and come back the next time to find I'm another 10 pages behind!

It really is such a nice experience to be able to read everything in chronological order without delay, like a great big box set! Comments following comments, ideas bounced, debunked and thrashed through, links attached to show evidence of fact..

I need another case/thread to start on now ..
Any suggestions of something that's still ongoing please anyone?🥰
Delphi.

See you back here in a hundred years.

But actually, don't goooooooo. Don't leave us. You just got here.

Give us your fresh insight!!! If everyone had been asleep, what would BK have done?

JMO
 
This part has me, I just do not know, maybe super perplexed. Why would anyone decide to carve something. Just baffling.
I have thought a lot about this "carving" of Ethan. It gives me the heebie-jeebies to even suggest it, but what if the carving was not carving, as in initials or symbols, but was carving, as in a roast or turkey, literally slicing his calves, in multiple cuts, almost in layers. Not like one of his idols, perhaps, but every bit as evil, and possibly not quite as time consuming . JMO
 
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I have thought a lot about this "carving " of Ethan. It gives me the heebie-jeebies to even suggest it, but what if the carving was not carving, as in initials or symbols, but was carving, as in a roast or turkey, literally slicing his calves, in multiple cuts, almost in layers. Not like one of his idols, perhaps, but every bit as evil, and possibly not quite as time consuming . JMO
I think this is closer to what happened. Making sure Ethan couldn't run... or stand, for that matter. :( I think BK likely would have panicked a little realizing there was a tall, strong guy lying in the bed of the room he'd just entered and would have felt he needed to immobilize Ethan as quickly as he possibly could.
 
I have thought a lot about this "carving " of Ethan. It gives me the heebie-jeebies to even suggest it, but what if the carving was not carving, as in initials or symbols, but was carving, as in a roast or turkey, literally slicing his calves, in multiple cuts, almost in layers. Not like one of his idols, perhaps, but every bit as evil, and possibly not quite as time consuming . JMO

Okay so, we have to go back to Buddy the dog then. No matter what prior reports say. His family said "filleted". JMOO most initial reports have since been pulled, but I REMEMBER. Sigh.
 
I have thought a lot about this "carving " of Ethan. It gives me the heebie-jeebies to even suggest it, but what if the carving was not carving, as in initials or symbols, but was carving, as in a roast or turkey, literally slicing his calves, in multiple cuts, almost in layers. Not like one of his idols, perhaps, but every bit as evil, and possibly not quite as time consuming . JMO
That's what I imagine myself. Some sort of sadistic compulsion he had. Perhaps a sign of his rage against Ethan for having what he couldn't have or something.
 

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