4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[Megnut]

Didn't do your homework?
Call AT attorney at law!

And haven't we heard this song before? Months ago when she predicted she'd need more time and Judge Hippler basically told her, good news, you have time. Work faster.

JMO

 

[Arkay]

I know NO ONE who has been following this case, and I have definitely been looking. After two years of lurking here, it’s great to finally join the conversation.

A welcome voice, @PunishThenForgive!
Thanks for taking the leap!

 

[Arkay]

Didn't do your homework?
Call AT attorney at law!

But first make sure you have your family tree in order.

AT Attorney-at-Law has a lot of research to do to explain why your homework remains unfinished.

 

[Warwick7]

This whole Dateline and James Patterson book thing is just more BS, to attempt to delay the trial as long as she possibly can, before AT finally has to go to trial with the same lack of a defense that she could have gone to trial with long before now, and the same lack of a defense she will still have if the case goes to trial six months from now. Ada County, Idaho, has an adult population of about 557,000. I am pretty sure it will not be terribly difficult to find 20 qualified people who have never watched Dateline, much less seen and been influenced by the Kohberger episode, and who have never read a James Patterson book. JMO

T h a n k y o u!!!!!

 

[Boxer]

I know NO ONE who has been following this case, and I have definitely been looking. After two years of lurking here, it’s great to finally join the conversation.

Welcome!

 

[Fleur-de-lis]

Almost everyone in my office at the university, plus from other units, knows of the crime. A lot of crime nerds, I think, probably because it was university based.

 

[Megnut]

Lemme get this straight. AT was none too pleased that the FBI used unconventional means to explore BK's genetic family tree to identify his DNA branch....

But now wants to interview back three generations of that same tree.

Maybe she can take BK's tipped hand shovel and dig up a few skeletons. I just don't know how that's going to help [mod snip].

And why has she avoided testing BK's closest living relative? By which I mean his own self.

Is it because she already knows he doesn't qualify for the known protected classes? Transparent much?

Personality disorders aren't protected from the DP. But they sure might explain how we got to here. And I'm pretty sure that's the LAST thing AT wants the jury to know.

How'd BK get so creepy, where did his horrible worldviews come from, fascinating ontologicak questions if you're into that sort of thing. Doesn't make him less guilty, though.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

I know NO ONE who has been following this case, and I have definitely been looking. After two years of lurking here, it’s great to finally join the conversation.

Welcome!

 

[Betty P]

Exactly!

I personally am trying to think of a context that would make any of the leaked evidence less damning.

Is it known who leaked the evidence to the “Dateline” show?

 

[snooptroop88]

Just noting here, going back any amount other than BK himself makes me laugh. I mean full on belly laugh. If he is convicted, unless anyone can prove he didn't know right from wrong it does not matter. I don't subscribe to the "my father beat me so I thought it was OK to beat people" or the "2 generations back my relative was a killer so I couldn't help myself" theory of life, though. You don't accidentally stab 4 people to death because of x, y or z nor would this be any kind of self defense.

Could AT do anything with the prospect of him having abnormal brain chemistry or structure? Or maybe BK experienced serious head trauma? Looking at the motion, she does mention head trauma and genetic predispositions, so that's interesting. Plenty of convicted and executed SKs had just these issues. Bundy had it, countless other murderers have been shown to have it. The problem: There are undoubtedly lots of other people that have had it that didn't go out and murder college kids in cold blood. Many, many people experience head trauma and didn't murder people. People with the so-called "warrior gene" (which is inherited) can lead totally normal lives. Right, I get that the horrifying reality is that with BK's "moral compass," (probably more accurately his lack thereof), he probably thought it was "wrong" when he left the sheath. Agreed that's a catastrophe, but it's not the type of problem this fishing expedition for Something Wrong With My Client Bryan is going to solve. At the same time, though, I can't fault her for trying to make her client look sympathetic, but it's going to be a very uphill climb on that no matter what she can find, jmo. And she can't take forever to do it because in his case, it really might take forever.

Lemme get this straight. AT was none too pleased that the FBI used unconventional means to explore BK's genetic family tree to identify his DNA branch....

But now wants to interview back three generations of that same tree.

Maybe she can take BK's tipped hand shovel and dig up a few skeletons. I just don't know how that's going to help [mod snip].

And why has she avoided testing BK's closest living relative? By which I mean his own self.

Is it because she already knows he doesn't qualify for the known protected classes? Transparent much?

Personality disorders aren't protected from the DP. But they sure might explain how we got to here. And I'm pretty sure that's the LAST thing AT wants the jury to know.

How'd BK get so creepy, where did his horrible worldviews come from, fascinating ontologicak questions if you're into that sort of thing. Doesn't make him less guilty, though.

JMO

Exactly. Totally agreed this is transparent, all of it is LE can't use BK's super-secret sacrosanct DNA But AT can use it, and try to get hold of it three generations back, too!! Nonsensical.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Is it known who leaked the evidence to the “Dateline” show?

No (as far as we know), but Hippler’s determined to find out.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/051525+Order+-+Document+and+Records+Hold+Order.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/051525+Order+-+Document+and+Records+Hold+Order+-+Defense.pdf

IMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Almost everyone in my office at the university, plus from other units, knows of the crime. A lot of crime nerds, I think, probably because it was university based.

Lucky you! My colleagues just want to talk about math.

 

[fcavanaugh]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed>
Found answer to SR question, per JH’s Order Memorializing Oral Rulings on Motions in Limine, SR allowed to testify at trial with conditions. Now that my device has decided to cooperate, providing link below for those interested in reading the order.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/041825+Order+Memorializing+Oral+Rulings+on+Motions+in+Limine.pdf

Also, found prior discussion regarding AT questioning FBI Agent Ballance w/o Jury present, seems consensus is we probably won’t hear about it at trial as will likely turn out to be a big ‘ole nothingburger.
Sorry for any confusion!

Carry on.

#JusticeforKaylee,Maddie,Xana,Ethan


IMHOO

 

[Justice101]

If it takes the judge two months to rule on this, that will put us at around the third week of July, about a week before juror selection is scheduled to begin. If that is the case, I see no way that the trial will not be delayed. I fear we may hit the three year mark before this trial begins. JMO

Yep, it is bad for the families but at least BK is still in jail.

 

[Justice101]

Lucky you! My colleagues just want to talk about math.

Haha, I minored in math. Now 50 years later, I watch youtube videos on advanced subjects in math and just realize how totally inadequate I am at it. LOL

 

[Balthazar]

Excellent point!

If the defense is looking for some kind of nature/nurture causation, why go through generations of Bryan’s forebears, while simultaneously saying he didn’t commit the murders?

Seems like an awful lot of unnecessary work for a client they claim wasn’t in that house and didn’t murder anyone.

IMO

Going back 3 generations is required by law should there be a mitigation phase. In a DP case, the defense has no choice but to do this regardless of innocence or guilt.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I can't imagine that Judge HIppler will rush to make a ruling on the motion to continue, but I also do not expect him to take any longer than he needs. Any thoughts on when his ruling may come down? He seems to like to rule toward the end of the week, and not let things linger into the weekend unnecessarily. I doubt we may get a ruling before this holiday weekend, and it will only come if the motion is granted. Any thoughts?

I agree, it's a big Motion with serious consequences for both the P & D. I think Judge Hippler will be very detailed and concise, while also referencing supporting case law. I bet we won't see a ruling until Wed or Thurs of next week.

If we do see one before then, the man will again prove to be the administrative machine he has shown himself to be thus far. Neither would surprise me really, if you're waiting on Judge Hippler "you're backing up" as they say. LOL

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I wonder if the defense will ask the judge to appoint a special counsel to look into the leaks that were shown on Dateline. But so far she hasn't, but maybe she is waiting until the judge issues his response to her motion. Then, if she wants a special counsel to look into it, then she might file another motion requesting it, unless the judge orders a special counsel before her request, if one is made.

The defense could argue that there should be a continuance of the case until such time as the special counsel completes their investigation. On the other hand, though, I wonder if there are risks to this strategy by the defense, so they are holding off on this.
Or simply waiting for the right time to introduce such a motion.

I believe this might already be in the works:

<snipped>

During Thursday’s public court hearing, which began a half-hour after its scheduled start time, Hippler referenced a closed-door session held earlier that day. Looking toward Kohberger’s defense team, Hippler told attorneys he would be “open to a request for an appointment of a special prosecutor. From there, that person could ask a magistrate judge grant subpoena power for the ability to question witnesses under oath, and to grant immunity.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article306492291.html

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'd like for someone to ask adult BK if he can tie his shoelaces. I'm certain he can. But I'm curious whether he'd launch into a discourse on prosocial convention which he shuns on some sort of haughty principle. Not unlike crosswalks.

JMO

Well, as we saw in early hearings, BK was quite capable of the famous 'steeple hands" position, which projects power and authority along with his suits and ties.

Now the Defense is probably requesting BK be allowed to wear a cardigan and slippers to court to sit in the forever lowering Defendant's chair, while he colors with Jumbo crayons. Hah.

JMO

 

[Sachi]

Going back 3 generations is required by law should there be a mitigation phase. In a DP case, the defense has no choice but to do this regardless of innocence or guilt.

It does not seem “required” by a simple google search- “encouraged” though.

Further, its does not remove personal responsibility and culpability? Does it?

What types of mined ancestral data could change his sentencing?

You can’t blame the social history of your ancestors to explain premeditated and brutally butchering 4 strangers. Can you? And if so why? And how?