4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[Megnut]

I wonder if The FBI were able to enhance that audio beyond the quality of what we have heard. Try as I may, I cannot make out sounds that I could begin to distinguish as voices or a whimper. I agree with a thought from @Megnut, I believe it was, that perhaps the cadence was similar to the barking of the dog, although certainly not as clear as the barking after the thud, which I still think sounds like something hitting the floor, perhaps a piece of furniture, bed? chair? being shoved against the wall as someone fell against it and hit the floor. My ears are getting old, but my headphones are studio quality. Can anyone here really distinguish voices or a whimper?? JMO

I do not hear voices or a whisper. It does however inflect up at the end.

I don't think it was Murphy.

So for it to pick up a bumbumbum from inside1122 King AND a dog barking at another location, that doesn't compute for me.

Unless it's Murphy barking first inside, then outside, giving chase. No idea what the bumbumbum is then.

Otherwise I think the sound all came from the direction of another dog. This one barking at 4:17, then put outside where it keeps barking, separated by the bumbumbum..... still don't know what it was from though. Dog pounding down steps?

I really want to know what of it DM heard.

JMO

 

[SteveP]

I do not hear voices or a whisper. It does however inflect up at the end.

I don't think it was Murphy.

So for it to pick up a bumbumbum from inside1122 King AND a dog barking at another location, that doesn't compute for me.

Unless it's Murphy barking first inside, then outside, giving chase. No idea what the bumbumbum is then.

Otherwise I think the sound all came from the direction of another dog. This one barking at 4:17, then put outside where it keeps barking, separated by the bumbumbum..... still don't know what it was from though. Dog pounding down steps?

I really want to know what of it DM heard.

JMO

The only thing that gives me pause with the thought that the barking came from Murphy is both Kaylee's mother's and her sister's insistence that Murphy was not a barker. I'm not sure how much credence I give to that, as Kaylee was Murphy's person. I know that my Vino would not hurt a flea, but if he sensed that I was in danger, I am pretty certain that he would have eaten someone up. I get that Murphy was a gentle breed, but if he sensed that Kaylee was being hurt, he may have certainly gone after BK to whatever extent he could, or at least tried to scare him away or gotten help for his person. With that in mind, I do believe that the dog barking was perhaps him, at least part of it. JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Could the thudding noise be BK falling down stairs or steps, losing footing and falling?

Re the film story of his sister, is it possible he contributed much to that story ? So perhaps it's even *his* story? For a film / script writing student, they're often asked to come up with a short film in each genre. Maybe he helped her come up with it?

JMO MOO

 

[sunspun]

That is a frightening thought.

I wonder under what conditions she'd be allowed to. Personal reasons, like a medical issue or family emergency, I suppose. Time mismanagement? I don't think so. Too hard to do two DP cases at once? She picked that.

I think Judge Hippler has been two steps ahead of her. Reminding her to stay on task, manage her time, increase her staff.

If she chooses not to heed him, that is not grounds for ineffective counsel. That's ineffective strategy.

JMO

Isn't AT one of the only, if not the only, DP certified defense attorney available? If so, would she have had no choice but to take on the other case? Seems to me that would be true, but if so, the judge would know this, so I don't see how he could say anything critical about her adding another DP case at this time, but he has been, I think. Confusing to me.

 

[Megnut]

I'm finding that the timestamp jumps around. 49:30 now.

How about this:

Dog barking inside near house, letting himself out through a doggy door, barking outside now.

Who's got a doggy door? Is it possible for a dog to generate that sound, barreling through one?

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[Peppery]

Only 2 options:

1.) He didn't see her
2.) He saw her but chose not to stop his exit from the house

From what you say - DM doesn't know - only "feels" like he saw her.

I can't make up my mind which scenario is most likely. Maybe DM will make it clearer in court before the defense starts emphasizing her statements of being drunk and fuzzy and not sure.

The new judge has decided that it will be a jury matter, that the jury can decide if DM's bushy eyebrow description fits Kohberger or not. He said she was very consistent in her multiple statements to LE and thus, he will not throw out her bushy eyebrow descriptions.

Defense wanted the term bushy eyebrows to be thrown out which is ludicrous because the witness has the right to give her testimony as she remembers that night.

Note the defense is not asking for DM's other descriptions to be thrown out such as height, weight, build and being male. I think she referred to him specifically as being a white male.

This bushy eyebrow thing really seems to have made the defense nervous. Why? I believe it is because it is too descriptive, personal and specific toward their client.


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I’ve thought about this so much and have come to believe he did not see DM. With that kabar he could’ve slashed her in seconds, 10 or less. And he had no reason to believe the cops were called. Sure the dog barking could wake up the neighbors but realistically, no one calls LE because they hear a dog bark at 0417. It just doesn’t happen. I have mixed feelings in the “thud” and hope what we’ve heard is raw audio. LE must be able to enhance it somewhat.

 

[Megnut]

I’ve thought about this so much and have come to believe he did not see DM. With that kabar he could’ve slashed her in seconds, 10 or less. And he had no reason to believe the cops were called. Sure the dog barking could wake up the neighbors but realistically, no one calls LE because they hear a dog bark at 0417. It just doesn’t happen. I have mixed feelings in the “thud” and hope what we’ve heard is raw audio. LE must be able to enhance it somewhat.

Plus the the blade end wasn't his only weapon, he could have pommeled her like he did KG, and if not that, his fist.

I think he didn't see her because his peripheral field is impaired and he was fixed on the exit.

I do wonder if he realized he'd seen her after the fact. Or was it news to him when he learned it from LE ...

If he exited the house at 4:17, what was he doing between 4:14-4:17 and 4:17-4:21? Four minutes to unroll himself from his kill suit.... but then why the rapid squealaway?

If the dog barking wasn't even related, just coincidental, did BK leave the house closer to 4:19? Fits with quickly removing his kill suit, but then what was he doing in XK's room for seven minutes? That's a lot of time.

AT wants the jury to think one person couldn't possibly kill four people in 10-12 minutes. I'm starting to wonder why he was still in the house after four.

JMO

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Honest question:

As part of the investigation, did LE escort anyone into the crime scene (after the victims were removed) in order to determine whether anything was missing?

Survivors. Family members.

I can see where that would be fraught with new issues so I'm thinking it was decided against...

Maybe they showed very selective photos -- is this how the bathroom looked? Is this how the nightstand looked?

If BK first attacked XK around 4:12, and 4:17 might mark the end of his attack, that leaves a lot of time in that room. With dead or dying victims.

Besides apparently sitting down (perhaps for sexual gratification), I wonder whether he did things that were also just weird. But which LE might not even recognize as changed or missing

FWIW, as a parent, I would feel a need to see the crime scene for myself.

As a victim, I'd be okay never seeing that house or its insides ever again.

Random thought, as it just came to me. Perhaps photos were taking in the 2 o'clock hour while they were all piled in MM's room, giving a good before snapshot for comparison.

JMO

Good question — I’ve been wondering how they might know a towel was missing from bathroom or T-shirt from a bedroom?

 

[Sachi]

I’ve thought about this so much and have come to believe he did not see DM. With that kabar he could’ve slashed her in seconds, 10 or less. And he had no reason to believe the cops were called. Sure the dog barking could wake up the neighbors but realistically, no one calls LE because they hear a dog bark at 0417. It just doesn’t happen. I have mixed feelings in the “thud” and hope what we’ve heard is raw audio. LE must be able to enhance it somewhat.

I agree, I have done the same as you and it just seems unlikely that he would walk by her, knowingly leaving her alive after chasing after Xana and just killing everyone around, further coming directly from "carving " ( mutilating) Ethan , the control = joy killing, what would be one more? If he saw her, he could have reacted quickly and killed her in the seconds he supposedly was looking at her yet, he kept moving. Possibly the luckiest moment of her young life. Moo.

 

[SortaSleuthy]

At last, I’ve solved the mystery of the vacuum cleaner like object she saw him carrying!
It wasn’t the knife wrapped in a towel or a piece of clothing!

It was a vacuum cleaner … the real reason he went there.
The murders happened when they saw him stealing the vac. and tried to stop him.
Whew, I’m glad that’s over.

Now I’m going to work on the “thud”.

 

[MassGuy]

Isn't AT one of the only, if not the only, DP certified defense attorney available? If so, would she have had no choice but to take on the other case? Seems to me that would be true, but if so, the judge would know this, so I don't see how he could say anything critical about her adding another DP case at this time, but he has been, I think. Confusing to me.

If she had no choice but to take on the case, then the judge has no argument. It's clear that from his criticism she did not have to take on that case. There are other DP qualified attorneys in the state, apparently 5 public defenders and 8 in private practice. Arrangements could be made.

 

[DizzyB]

I wonder if The FBI were able to enhance that audio beyond the quality of what we have heard. Try as I may, I cannot make out sounds that I could begin to distinguish as voices or a whimper. I agree with a thought from @Megnut, I believe it was, that perhaps the cadence was similar to the barking of the dog, although certainly not as clear as the barking after the thud, which I still think sounds like something hitting the floor, perhaps a piece of furniture, bed? chair? being shoved against the wall as someone fell against it and hit the floor. My ears are getting old, but my headphones are studio quality. Can anyone here really distinguish voices or a whimper?? JMO

I believe there are internet sleuths that are also sound techs, and they could have cleaned up and released versions of the audio if it was possible. Maybe there is other unreleased audio, or even video, that is more clear.

 

[Megnut]

At last, I’ve solved the mystery of the vacuum cleaner like object she saw him carrying!
It wasn’t the knife wrapped in a towel or a piece of clothing!

It was a vacuum cleaner … the real reason he went there.
The murders happened when they saw him stealing the vac. and tried to stop him.
Whew, I’m glad that’s over.

Now I’m going to work on the “thud”.

Maybe he brought it from home.

Emotional support vacuum.

 

[Megnut]

If she had no choice but to take on the case, then the judge has no argument. It's clear that from his criticism she did not have to take on that case. There are other DP qualified attorneys in the state, apparently 5 public defenders and 8 in private practice. Arrangements could be made.

Agreed.

Plus it almost sounded, from his remarks, that she had had to make a case for taking another DP. I wonder to whom she'd have had to do that. Would she have needed permission from the Court? This Court?

 

[Sachi]

At last, I’ve solved the mystery of the vacuum cleaner like object she saw him carrying!
It wasn’t the knife wrapped in a towel or a piece of clothing!

It was a vacuum cleaner … the real reason he went there.
The murders happened when they saw him stealing the vac. and tried to stop him.
Whew, I’m glad that’s over.

Now I’m going to work on the “thud”.

lol

 

[katydid23]

I have never thought of this until literally just now, as I sat here looking at mine, but so many people now have Amazon devices in their homes. Pretty much everyone I know has at least one, and most people I know have them in multiple rooms. I wonder if it is possible that unbeknownst to us, there may have been an Alexa listening at 1122 King Road that early morning. Wouldn't THAT be a potential bombshell?? I have to believe that we would have heard about one by now, but who knows. JMO

I think we'd have heard about it because AT would have made multiple court filings demanding that Alexa be suppressed.

 

[Megnut]

Carved... word? symbol? initials?

I remember way back, we all felt like something was being held back with EC's manner of death.

Carving might be why. What was carved might be why.

BTK
TB
Somebody's initials
Greek letters

Carved isn't cutting. It's deliberate, patterned, right?

How bizarre would it be if it was fraternity letters? LE would have been sent in a direction --

Crazy thing to do, whatever it was. Measured crazy.

JMO

 

[realanastasia]

Off-topic question: how have some folks regained access to our late lamented “laughing” reaction?! I’m so envious!

 

[Gemmie]

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[Ghostwheel]

At last, I’ve solved the mystery of the vacuum cleaner like object she saw him carrying!
It wasn’t the knife wrapped in a towel or a piece of clothing!

It was a vacuum cleaner … the real reason he went there.
The murders happened when they saw him stealing the vac. and tried to stop him.
Whew, I’m glad that’s over.

Now I’m going to work on the “thud”.

The thud was when he picked up the vacuum and the plug pulled out of the socket and hit the floor. Natch.