4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[KSwizzle]

And a BAM back atcha!
I couldn't believe I managed to get up to date.. I usually read until my eyes are closing, bookmark and come back the next time to find I'm another 10 pages behind!

It really is such a nice experience to be able to read everything in chronological order without delay, like a great big box set! Comments following comments, ideas bounced, debunked and thrashed through, links attached to show evidence of fact..

I need another case/thread to start on now ..
Any suggestions of something that's still ongoing please anyone?

Sarah Boone if you haven’t

 

[Megnut]

Good point. I think DDers drive their own vehicle. They hop out of the car run up and leave the food, take pic or not and dash away.

BK may not have seen him do that and not have realized JIB was delivered to the sliding glass door.

I may have that out of sequence with the 3 point turn.
Moo

No, it's actually perfectly in sync.

Without the DD, BK's maneuvers don't make sense, but when you overlay the DD vehicle being there at 3:59 and plus/minus, BK's turns fit. Reactionary.

He was surveilling the DD vehicle.

Warranted proceeding with caution which he did.

His conclusion was just wrong.

JMO

 

[Helechawagirl]

I just heard on one of the yt channels that dna from 3 individuals was found under Maddie’s fingernails. Has that been verified?

Also, I had a thought about a “suicide by cop” scenario. Being as he studied cases about serial killers, and web activity could lead one to believe that he was struggling with his mental health, I wondered if he did leave the sheath on purpose as a subconscious ?Perhaps? way of ensuring that he would be caught and stopped.

It seems unlikely, but it does stick in my mind that he knew he wasn’t healthy, tried to research it and understand himself and perhaps find a way to heal himself.

Just my random thoughts. just my Opinion—more like thoughts and questions. Would it be possible that Kaylee’s DNA could end up under Maddie’s fingernail?

 

[Boxer]

Absolutely it had to be that night, a weekend night where he knew there would have been alcohol involved, making it a bit easier for him to complete his mission.
And the holiday was fast approaching, it was basically now or never.
Since he downloaded photos of friends of the girls off of Instagram, he certainly was aware of Maddie, who I think he was drawn to.
He probably didn't care about the extra cars, assumed they'd likely be asleep. I do find it puzzling why he'd enter the house when he did because of the DD car. Why not wait a little bit longer?
And I do believe he'd have gone on to murder again.

His birthday was the following Monday 11/21/22.

 

[SteveP]

I just heard on one of the yt channels that dna from 3 individuals was found under Maddie’s fingernails. Has that been verified?

Also, I had a thought about a “suicide by cop” scenario. Being as he studied cases about serial killers, and web activity could lead one to believe that he was struggling with his mental health, I wondered if he did leave the sheath on purpose as a subconscious ?Perhaps? way of ensuring that he would be caught and stopped.

It seems unlikely, but it does stick in my mind that he knew he wasn’t healthy, tried to research it and understand himself and perhaps find a way to heal himself.

Just my random thoughts. just my Opinion—more like thoughts and questions. Would it be possible that Kaylee’s DNA could end up under Maddie’s fingernail?

The whole story that was put out about unidentified mixed DNA under Maddie's nails was just another feeble attempt by the defense to plant seeds of doubt as to BK's guilt into the public and the minds of potential jurors. It was determined that an unknown DNA mixture of at least three persons (the analysis said at least four) was found under Maddie's nails, but the mixture contained only approx 1% male DNA, and excluded BK, which is not unexpected at all, as there is nothing to indicate that she was ever able to put up any fight when she was attacked.

103) Interpretation of the ISP Lab DNA results for Item 13.1 employing the validated color specific thresholds resulted in the detection of a full DNA profile, consistent with a mixture of at least 4 contributors, at least one of whom is male. The following comparisons were made: • Madison Mogen cannot be excluded as a potential contributor11 • Kaylee Goncalves cannot be excluded as a potential contributor12 • Bryan Kohberger was excluded as a potential contributor to the mixed DNA profile 104) Based on the initial qualitative assessment of the DNA profiles obtained from Item 13.1, the known reference DNA profiles from Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves were used to estimate the relative mixture proportions observed. This analysis was conducted based on the relative peak values (rfu) across multiple loci in the mixed DNA profile. The following mixture proportions were calculated:

• Madison Mogen ~ 83%
• Kaylee Goncalves ~ 12%
• Unknown contributors ~ 5%
a. Unknown male(s) DNA component at Amelogenin (X, Y): ~ 1%
b. This result was consistent with the information gained from the DNA quantitation assay for Y-chromosome DNA as summarized in paragraph 101 above. Approximately 1% of the DNA in this sample is of male origin.

My opinion, the unknown male DNA could have been almost any male that she came in contact with at The Corner Club, or Grub Truck while out that night. We saw her hugging at least one male on the Grub Truck live feed. JMO

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/040725_States_Notice_of_Filing_Suppl_Affidavit_in_Support_of_Response_to_MIL_5_RE_Inconclusive_Data.pdf

 

[Peppery]

I can’t stop thinking about the carving of EC’s legs (it was his legs, right?)

For BK to have some kind of hatred or jealousy of EC he would have to have been aware of him prior to that night. And he might have, either through social media pics or on other trips to the house. I kinda think that’s unlikely though.

More likely he just saw a large guy that would be more of a threat than the girls if he woke up. Still can’t make sense of the carving. I’m sure more details will come out at trial.

 

[Megnut]

"It's okay, I'm here to help you."

I really want to know who he said it to.

It's so unnerving, considering the slaughter he left behind.

Did BK have an idea how quickly LE could respond to 1122?

Did he see XK and mistake her for DM, who had shouted into the hallway, forcing him to race back down the stairs? Did he encounter her in the kitchen? In the hallway? In the bathroom? Was he talking to her? It's okay, in her to help you...

Was he facing her, trying to coax her to drop a makeshift weapon? Was he behind her, stifling her scream from her, marching her into her room?

Was he attempting to prevent her con calling 911, afraid he wouldn't be able to get away fast enough? If MM was supposed to be his target, did he turn his attention to XK just by virtue of her suddenly becoming a replacement target? Did he have a crime in mind, only to discover EC in her room, thwarted again?

Did he say it to EC?

Or... Murphy? Or... DM?

Weird that he was talking at all.

JMO

 

[Arkay]

More likely he just saw a large guy that would be more of a threat than the girls if he woke up. Still can’t make sense of the carving. I’m sure more details will come out at trial.

This is what I think, as well.

From the beginning, the impression has mostly been that BK did not expect to encounter Ethan——perhaps not even Xana, had she not been awake.

Once we learned (was it from Dateline)??? that BK had cut Ethan’s legs while he was in the bed, my assumption was that BK realized that if anyone in that house could overpower him, it would be Ethan. Then, I truly regret to say, that was quick thinking on Bryan’s part. Cripple the only man there so he can’t leap from the bed and fight back.

The reference to “carving,” though, does add a possible other element. I’m not sure what. Is it just a reporter using an elaborate descriptive word, OR was it in fact some gory glee for Bryan. Circling back to the theory that upon encountering a man who shared a bed with a woman and was surrounded by four more women, while Bryan had none, perhaps it’s true that this was an extreme act of jealousy, hatred, spite.

I do tend to think it was just the expedient act of disabling the only individual who presented a real problem for BK’s “success.”

The trial will tell us.

IMO

 

[Megnut]

I can't imagine WHAT it would be, but it would be mindblowing if somehow whatever was carved, makes sense of it's okay, I'm here to help.

I wonder if these are the details that were redacted from the PCA, if anything was redacted.

1000% wild if BK said it so loudly, the neighbor's security camera picked it up, two seconds before he did whatever he did, resulting in a bumbumbum thud.

I wonder if these questions will ever be adequately resolved.

JMO

 

[AcerPacer]

I can't imagine WHAT it would be, but it would be mindblowing if somehow whatever was carved, makes sense of it's okay, I'm here to help.

I wonder if these are the details that were redacted from the PCA, if anything was redacted.

1000% wild if BK said it so loudly, the neighbor's security camera picked it up, two seconds before he did whatever he did, resulting in a bumbumbum thud.

I wonder if these questions will ever be adequately resolved.

JMO

I am hopeful too that there is something to decipher in the carvings. Ever since it came out on dateline I hoped it was something we'd hear about at trial.
SG (and others in the know) have said there is SO MUCH evidence to come out!

Of course my biggest wish is there being an explanation, a reason why he did this, to them, that night, and what was his actual plan.

I truly hope that getting a better understanding of all of that information (if the state can actually get it out there without AT interrupting, objecting and stating she's not prepared) will bring a small amount of closure to the 4 victims family and friends.
I genuinely feel for DM as this trial draws closer, imagine having to relive that horror again, how would you ever get over it and be able to sleep peacefully again!

 

[Megnut]

I am hopeful too that there is something to decipher in the carvings. Ever since it came out on dateline I hoped it was something we'd hear about at trial.
SG (and others in the know) have said there is SO MUCH evidence to come out!

Of course my biggest wish is there being an explanation, a reason why he did this, to them, that night, and what was his actual plan.

I truly hope that getting a better understanding of all of that information (if the state can actually get it out there without AT interrupting, objecting and stating she's not prepared) will bring a small amount of closure to the 4 victims family and friends.
I genuinely feel for DM as this trial draws closer, imagine having to relive that horror again, how would you ever get over it and be able to sleep peacefully again!

DM, facing him in court would take the courage of a thousand warriors.

She has already stood three feet away from death and survived.

May she have the strength to stare him down, and with the truth as her weapon, take him down.

JMO

 

[AcerPacer]

DM, facing him in court would take the courage of a thousand warriors.

She has already stood three feet away from death and survived.

May she have the strength to stare him down, and with the truth as her weapon, take him down.

JMO

Sending DM the courage of a thousand warriors!

 

[seasideForest]

Okay so, we have to go back to Buddy the dog then. No matter what prior reports say. His family said "filleted". JMOO most initial reports have since been pulled, but I REMEMBER. Sigh.

I'd forgotten about poor Buddy and his owners. It was said very quickly at the time that the two cases weren't connected.
In fact here police are quoted as saying Buddy was killed by wildlife: Rumors are swirling about the University of Idaho murders. Here's what investigators have said so far. but I doubt Buddy's owners agreed or agree with that.
MOO

 

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[Sachi]

DM, facing him in court would take the courage of a thousand warriors.

She has already stood three feet away from death and survived.

May she have the strength to stare him down, and with the truth as her weapon, take him down.

JMO

Amen.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

As far as how this would have gone if everything went according to plan, I do not believe that any sort of sexual assault was in the cards.

He went to painstaking lengths to leave no DNA behind (sheath aside), and to ensure he didn't transfer any biological evidence to his car. He's simply not going to take the risk of blowing everything up by committing any sort of sex act.

It was the violence that satiated him, and perhaps the fear of his victims. Power and control (cliche, but I think this fits perfectly).

I'm thinking that it was a sexually motivated crime, with the knife as a stand-in for a sex organ.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I still fall toward the side that BK’s plan was to kill everyone in the house.
I think he knew MM lived there, and that she is the one that led him to the house.
He started with MM but intended to get everyone.
Everything went sideways almost immediately when MM wasn’t alone in her room.

I think he planned a mass murder. If he just wanted one victim, why not wait until he could get her alone? There was really no reason to do a home invasion in the middle of a night when the house is packed with people if you just want to kill one person. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

I'm thinking that it was a sexually motivated crime, with the knife as a stand-in for a sex organ.

Yes, a sexually motivated crime doesn't have to involve an overt sex act. He got off on the sadism.

 

[Sachi]

Yes, a sexually motivated crime doesn't have to involve an overt sex act. He got off on the sadism.

I like this but I don't like it- I agree. I think I want an AGREE/THIS emoji, not sure what it should look like. I really don't like the thumbs up/ like option sometimes.

 

[Boxer]

Amen.

She needs to be reminded daily that it was a million times more likely to be a prank than a murder.