4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[Diddian]

The table appearing in AT’s motion is disgusting as it presents for mitigation purposes every possible factor for his alleged criminality except his own free will. His supposed autism alleged on the shallow basis of social awkwardness and upside down or backward letters (fairly common as youngsters learn their numbers and letters…adults imitating children writing do that), late progress at shoe tying, an auto accident when he was a child. It is like AT has mined BK’s parents’ likely agonizing and unwarranted blaming of themselves - what did WE do wrong to make HIM this way - for the choices BK has made.

AT should add a row at the bottom of the table “evades responsibility for his own choices and actions.” And then delete all the rows above that.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Just wondering, will we ever hear the results of the investigation into the source(s) of these leaks in this case, or will they just be dealt with by the court without us ever knowing, assuming they do not involve any key members of the state's team or the defense's, and I cannot imagine that they would? I suppose if charges are filed against anyone, it would be public record, and could be found in a search, if someone knew when and where to be searching? Any thoughts as to how long that investigation might take? IIRC, Judge Hippler wanted the names of anyone with access to information leaked to Dateline within two weeks of his May 15 ruling, so the court has likely had the information for about two weeks now. Will that investigation necessarily have to be concluded before we move on to trial?

What a great question, nosey me definitely wants to know as well.

Joking aside, it was a substantial leak of info. I think it will be from a number of different sources not associated with the actual Prosecution or Defense.

IMO

 

[Justice101]

The table appearing in AT’s motion is disgusting as it presents for mitigation purposes every possible factor for his alleged criminality except his own free will. His supposed autism alleged on the shallow basis of social awkwardness and upside down or backward letters (fairly common as youngsters learn their numbers and letters…adults imitating children writing do that), late progress at shoe tying, an auto accident when he was a child. It is like AT has mined BK’s parents’ likely agonizing and unwarranted blaming of themselves - what did WE do wrong to make HIM this way - for the choices BK has made.

AT should add a row at the bottom of the table “evades responsibility for his own choices and actions.” And then delete all the rows above that.

Even with this it won't work, juries are down to earth people and generally don't fall for lame excuses.

BK has no chance of an acquittal or even hung jury IMO.

 

[Dotta]

"New details of Bryan Kohberger's addiction battle and dark past revealed in Idaho murder filings.​

Bryan Kohberger's secret past trauma and teenage addiction battle
are are expected to fall under the spotlight at his capital murder trial,
as his defense fights to save him from the firing squad.

Among them are details of past 'trauma',
including records about a childhood car accident Kohberger was involved in.

The details of this accident - including when and where it occurred - remain a mystery.

It is also unclear if Kohberger suffered any injuries in the accident.

But, the filing states
that the incident is documented in the defense's reports from mental health experts
and that the accused killer's family members can testify about the apparent trauma he endured.

As well as the car crash which was listed under 'trauma history',
Kohberger's past drug abuse is also mentioned -
with prosecutors revealing family members and mental health professionals can speak to this evidence."

New details of Bryan Kohberger's addiction battle and dark past

As a teenager, Bryan Kohberger struggled with heroin addiction and was once arrested for stealing and selling his sister's iPhone.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SteveP]

"New details of Bryan Kohberger's addiction battle and dark past revealed in Idaho murder filings.​

View attachment 594317

Bryan Kohberger's secret past trauma and teenage addiction battle
are are expected to fall under the spotlight at his capital murder trial,
as his defense fights to save him from the firing squad.

Among them are details of past 'trauma',
including records about a childhood car accident Kohberger was involved in.

The details of this accident - including when and where it occurred - remain a mystery.

It is also unclear if Kohberger suffered any injuries in the accident.

But, the filing states
that the incident is documented in the defense's reports from mental health experts
and that the accused killer's family members can testify about the apparent trauma he endured.

As well as the car crash which was listed under 'trauma history',
Kohberger's past drug abuse is also mentioned -
with prosecutors revealing family members and mental health professionals can speak to this evidence."

New details of Bryan Kohberger's addiction battle and dark past

As a teenager, Bryan Kohberger struggled with heroin addiction and was once arrested for stealing and selling his sister's iPhone.

www.dailymail.co.uk

So, I guess anyone who was ever involved in a car accident as a child should get a free pass to commit quadruple homicide? JMO

 

[Dotta]

So, I guess anyone who was ever involved in a car accident as a child should get a free pass to commit quadruple homicide? JMO

Will I ever see this trial ?????

I guess,
Nobody will dare to accuse the Defence they didn't try!!!
Hehehe

JMO

 

[Megnut]

So, I guess anyone who was ever involved in a car accident as a child should get a free pass to commit quadruple homicide? JMO

I didn't know they had car accidents in PA.

 

[Justice101]

So, I guess anyone who was ever involved in a car accident as a child should get a free pass to commit quadruple homicide? JMO

AT is faliling away.

 

[SteveP]

I didn't know they had car accidents in PA.

Well, we know it didn't happen because somebody failed to yield to someone in a crosswalk...

 

[Justice101]

Well, we know it didn't happen because somebody failed to yield to someone in a crosswalk...

Again, who cares because it doesn't establish guilt or innocence.. ONLY MAY matter to the death penalty part or more likely to sentencing. Premature for sure.

 

[Chloegirl]

"New details of Bryan Kohberger's addiction battle and dark past revealed in Idaho murder filings.​

View attachment 594317

Bryan Kohberger's secret past trauma and teenage addiction battle
are are expected to fall under the spotlight at his capital murder trial,
as his defense fights to save him from the firing squad.

Among them are details of past 'trauma',
including records about a childhood car accident Kohberger was involved in.

The details of this accident - including when and where it occurred - remain a mystery.

It is also unclear if Kohberger suffered any injuries in the accident.

But, the filing states
that the incident is documented in the defense's reports from mental health experts
and that the accused killer's family members can testify about the apparent trauma he endured.

As well as the car crash which was listed under 'trauma history',
Kohberger's past drug abuse is also mentioned -
with prosecutors revealing family members and mental health professionals can speak to this evidence."

New details of Bryan Kohberger's addiction battle and dark past

As a teenager, Bryan Kohberger struggled with heroin addiction and was once arrested for stealing and selling his sister's iPhone.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Hang on I need my violin. Why does no one care about me this much? I am annoyed. JMOO

 

[SteveP]

Again, who cares because it doesn't establish guilt or innocence.. ONLY MAY matter to the death penalty part or more likely to sentencing. Premature for sure.

For all intents and purposes, AT has probably already conceded the guilt phase of the trial is a lost cause, and is focusing all of her energy on keeping BK from facing a firing squad. I would be, if I were her, and even that may be a lost cause too. JMO

 

[Sundog]

Even with this it won't work, juries are down to earth people and generally don't fall for lame excuses.

BK has no chance of an acquittal or even hung jury IMO.

I agree that the jury won't be swayed by various mitigating factors during the guilt phase of the trial, but I do think that it is possible during the penalty phase of the trial. I think there will be juror(s) who may not be comfortable with sentencing a defendant to death by firing squad if it is presented that he is on the spectrum, etc. I think a life sentence is more likely that than death penalty in this case. JMO.

 

[NoeticSoul]

I agree that the jury won't be swayed by various mitigating factors during the guilt phase of the trial, but I do think that it is possible during the penalty phase of the trial. I think there will be juror(s) who may not be comfortable with sentencing a defendant to death by firing squad if it is presented that he is on the spectrum, etc. I think a life sentence is more likely that than death penalty in this case. JMO.

I'd be SO very disappointed with just a life sentence, mostly because he'd probably like it.

 

[minazoe]

I'd be SO very disappointed with just a life sentence, mostly because he'd probably like it.

oh yeah he wants infamy and attention...even if it has to be in prison.

 

[NoeticSoul]

oh yeah he wants infamy and attention...even if it has to be in prison.

EXACTLY. LWOP is too easy and he'd enjoy it and become 'famous' in a sick way. He deserves death X4 imo.

 

[Arkay]

Among them are details of past 'trauma',
including records about a childhood car accident Kohberger was involved in.

AT is spending so much time looking for “reasons” to exonerate Bryan’s actions, all while claiming he didn’t kill anyone. (So why is she searching for past trauma if he is just a good boy)?

He isn’t on trial for being on the spectrum, he is on trial for a quadruple murder, yet she persists in finding “reasons” that she will try to turn into “excuses.”

Not cheering for anyone to be in a car accident, of course, but if he was traumatized somehow in an accident, that is still not an excuse to mass murder some young people.

People have survived the Holocaust without afterward murdering innocent people.

People have survived living in abusive homes with dangerous parents, and from what we have learned about his family so far, they seem to have been very supportive. Even as an adult, with dad ferrying him home cross-country.

We here have all become familiar with cases in which the evidence is undeniable.

Just in recent cases—-Murdaugh at the dog cages, Libby recording Richard Allen on the bridge, and Bryan Kohberger’s DNA on the knife sheath.

These criminals have been caught red-handed. There is proof that they didn’t intend to leave behind, but which puts a bulls-eye on them.

Cannot wait for the trial to start. Nor for the judge to lay down the hammer.



JMO

 

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[PunishThenForgive]

"New details of Bryan Kohberger's addiction battle and dark past revealed in Idaho murder filings.​

View attachment 594317

Bryan Kohberger's secret past trauma and teenage addiction battle
are are expected to fall under the spotlight at his capital murder trial,
as his defense fights to save him from the firing squad.

Among them are details of past 'trauma',
including records about a childhood car accident Kohberger was involved in.

The details of this accident - including when and where it occurred - remain a mystery.

It is also unclear if Kohberger suffered any injuries in the accident.

But, the filing states
that the incident is documented in the defense's reports from mental health experts
and that the accused killer's family members can testify about the apparent trauma he endured.

As well as the car crash which was listed under 'trauma history',
Kohberger's past drug abuse is also mentioned -
with prosecutors revealing family members and mental health professionals can speak to this evidence."

New details of Bryan Kohberger's addiction battle and dark past

As a teenager, Bryan Kohberger struggled with heroin addiction and was once arrested for stealing and selling his sister's iPhone.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It’s all in Table I, attached at the end of the State’s 17-page objection to AT’s 40-page Motion to Continue. I’d post images of the table here, but it’s multiple pages long.

The table addresses all the things AT has already done (or can easily do without delaying the trial) to meet the ABA guidelines for mitigation in death penalty cases.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

So, I guess anyone who was ever involved in a car accident as a child should get a free pass to commit quadruple homicide? JMO

The only reason that I can think of a car accident being relevant is if BK sustained head trauma. I assume AT would then use an article like this one to support her case:

Traumatic Brain Injury and Related Antisocial Behavioral Outcomes: A Systematic Review

The problem with saying a TBI can cause a neural or behavioral defect is that it’s hard to tease out which came first. For example, individuals with untreated ADHD may be more likely to impulsively engage in activities that have a higher chance of brain injury.

Anyway, the article is excellent, IMO, and worth the read.