4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[PunishThenForgive]

Just wondering, will we ever hear the results of the investigation into the source(s) of these leaks in this case, or will they just be dealt with by the court without us ever knowing, assuming they do not involve any key members of the state's team or the defense's, and I cannot imagine that they would? I suppose if charges are filed against anyone, it would be public record, and could be found in a search, if someone knew when and where to be searching? Any thoughts as to how long that investigation might take? IIRC, Judge Hippler wanted the names of anyone with access to information leaked to Dateline within two weeks of his May 15 ruling, so the court has likely had the information for about two weeks now. Will that investigation necessarily have to be concluded before we move on to trial?

@SteveP , I nominate @twall:

I found it and didn't have to give any info.

https://www.washoecourts.com/Query/PersonSearch

 

[gremlin444]

RSBM
This is exactly the reason I’ve never put much stock in his supposedly having visual snow syndrome.

FWIW, as a parent of a young adult with OCD who developed VSS around the same age as BK says in his posts, I find his descriptions of his symptoms and the associated disassociation (very common in people with more severe VSS) to be quite believable.

I discussed this part ages ago here when the tapatalk posts first came up--VSS was a hard enough topic to find information online about when my son started experiencing it and was diagnosed around 2019. In 2009 when BK started posting about it, there would have been very little info that he could have come up with online by searching for his symptoms.

As for why he could drive at night as an adult or why it's not being brought up by AT or how he could navigate the house in the dark--VSS can improve or even go away over time, sometimes with the help of medication, diet, biofeedback, TMS, or therapy and sometimes even on its own. The visual issues he was experiencing during the time he was posting in 2009-2012 were over 10 years ago.

 

[snooptroop88]

I didn't know they had car accidents in PA.

They're at the crosswalks.

 

[snooptroop88]

Well, we know it didn't happen because somebody failed to yield to someone in a crosswalk...

Exactly.

 

[Sachi]

Unfortunately, AT (whom I despise defending because I’m terrified she’s going to somehow get BK off) doesn’t have a choice. The penalty phase immediately follows the guilt phase of the trial. That, of course, sets up the tricky issue of searching for mitigating factors for someone you claim is factually innocent.

Look, I think something is wrong with the brains of criminals, and whatever this is may not be their fault. But it doesn’t matter who or what is at fault. Violent people are dangerous and we law-abiding people must be protected from them.

Also, society won’t work if we don’t hold adults accountable for their behavior, whatever caused it. Isn’t that the definition of being an adult?

IMO justice demands that people who commit heinous acts like the Idaho murders must be punished severely, not only to allay the understandable thirst for vengeance of the loved ones left behind, but to create a possible path for redemption of the perpetrator (if an ounce of humanity remains in him) and forgiveness for the family (even Steve Goncalves said he and his wife would forgive BK after he is justly punished: ‘We will forgive him’.)

The key, IMO, is to do all we can to prevent a child from developing into a violent adult in the first place. Because after that, most are lost causes IMO.

Great post

 

[Sachi]

Hang on I need my violin. Why does no one care about me this much? I am annoyed. JMOO

-Wah wah wah somebody call the wambulance for the mass murderer.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Jumping off this, there is something wrong with a system where there isn't a break between the guilt phase and penalty phase, IMO. How do you defend a person as factually innocent while trying to mitigate why he might be guilty? Isn't that a conflict? Wouldn't it make more sense to try the evidence, then IF found guilty, find mitigating circumstances why not the death penalty?

I, personally, would be rather upset if I were a juror and I kept hearing "The evidence shows his DNA on the sheath, but here is his sob story so take that into consideration while you deliberate actual evidence." or "Yes a car exactly like his containing his phone was in the area 23 times, plus again the morning after the murders, but her is another sob story to take into consideration while you deliberate actual evidence." I do not like overt manipulation. But I do acknowledge I function more on logic than emotion, so there is that.

I thought there was a 2 week break from the Guilt Phase to the Penalty Phase built into the trial timeline?

Of course I could have imagined that. JMO

 

[jepop]

For all intents and purposes, AT has probably already conceded the guilt phase of the trial is a lost cause, and is focusing all of her energy on keeping BK from facing a firing squad. I would be, if I were her, and even that may be a lost cause too. JMO

Yes, I agree. The recently revealed info Imo relates to the punishment phase and defense mitigation. I'm not fully up to date with the case right now, but doesn't all this newly reported info come from the available court filings on D's Motion for Continuance and the State's Opposition? I haven't read the Opposition in detail, but I understand the D's chief argument for a continuance centres on claims of needing additional time to complete mitigation research.

From my skim of the State's Opposition, they argue something along the lines of; 'nope that isn't right, the defense have all these witnesses lined up already and have already done X, Y & Z detailed investigation and evidence gathering; therefore, Judge, the trial does not need to be continued, there is no demonstration of good cause'.

So moo the info in recent msm reports may be more usefully applied and discussed in relation to the punishment phase of the upcoming trial not the guilt phase. Jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes, I agree. The recently revealed info Imo relates to the punishment phase and defense mitigation. I'm not fully up to date with the case right now, but doesn't all this newly reported info come from the available court filings on D's Motion for Continuance and the State's Opposition? I haven't read the Opposition in detail, but I understand the D's chief argument for a continuance centres on claims of needing additional time to complete mitigation research.

From my skim of the State's Opposition, they argue something along the lines of; 'nope that isn't right, the defense have all these witnesses lined up already and have already done X, Y & Z detailed investigation and evidence gathering; therefore, Judge, the trial does not need to be continued, there is no demonstration of good cause'.

So moo the info in recent msm reports may be more usefully applied and discussed in relation to the punishment phase of the upcoming trial not the guilt phase. Jmo

Bill Thompson's response to the D's Motion to Continue was a thing of beauty. Direct and to the point, "this trial needs to happen".

JMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I thought there was a 2 week break from the Guilt Phase to the Penalty Phase built into the trial timeline?

Of course I could have imagined that. JMO

Alas, the defense would need far longer than that to prepare for the penalty phase if they didn’t do most of the prep ahead of time.

JMO

 

[Sweeper2000]

-Wah wah wah somebody call the wambulance for the mass murderer.

i called them they said they were busy as its a long line at the doughnut shop. I said we all understand.

 

[Boxer]

Bill Thompson's response to the D's Motion to Continue was a thing of beauty. Direct and to the point, "this trial needs to happen".

JMO

Yea. The phase of "innocent till
found guilty" gets spun to he is innocent because...
somebody stole BKs knife and put 15 cells of his cells on it, stole his car or lined up a replica, got him to turn off his phone during the crime then cruise the crime scene the following morning, or because somehow that after the fact two young roommates who were so afraid of the ostracizing that they would experience if they called police and it turned out it was nothing or a prank, that instead they called friends in the morning.

The evidence is overwhelming, delaying the trial is just avoidance.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Interesting things to see on the latest Case Summary printing (on June 11 at 1:57 pm), including LOTS of new filings dated June 9 that weren’t visible on that day’s the printing. Many are sealed so they don’t show up on the Idaho Cases of Interest page.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Alas, the defense would need far longer than that to prepare for the penalty phase if they didn’t do most of the prep ahead of time.

JMO

It's seems to me that the Defense is indeed already working on being prepared for the Penalty Phase (new summons, motions, etc.) if BK is found Guilty. I'm gonna say that's happening. JMO

 

[twall]

New documentary on Prime Video. Premieres July 11. HJ is in it.

 

[Chloegirl]

New documentary on Prime Video. Premieres July 11. HJ is in it.

My brain was like oh geez here we go again. But I stand corrected. The loved ones of these unfortunate murder victims have set aside their time to share their story with us. Brave. This one looks a little different. JMOO

 

[browneyes]

What is AT’s other DP case?

 

[Cool Cats]

What is AT’s other DP case?

Attorney for Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger to lead defense in second capital case

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article290857014.html#storylink=cpy

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article290857014.html

Anne Taylor, Kohberger’s top public defender, was assigned Wednesday to head up the defense for Skylar Meade, according to court records obtained by the Idaho Statesman. The Idaho prisoner is charged with killing a Juliaetta man in Nez Perce County after escaping from corrections officers at a hospital in Boise during a shootout in March.

 

[Chloegirl]

DBM

 

[Sweeper2000]

I dont know if its me believing in myths but looking at AT's current DP charges both seem like guaranteed losses to me so i'm wondering if that actually affects the likelihood of anyone actually hiring her? others have said she is proficient and top but if all her cases involve losses how does she get hired?