4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #90

[Balthazar]

I think the PCA was from the end of last December. I have to imagine that the detectives and the FBI forensics team have accumulated more evidence in the past 10 months.

One would hope.

There are things that can be done even if the phone is off. We don't even know if it was on airplane mode or turned off. We have to wait and see if they tried any of those things to get data.
But we do know the phone traveled with his car the entire time.

If the phone was turned off, it cannot be tracked. Tracking is only possible if GPS is still on which requires that the phone be turned on. Airplane mode and no cell service/connection does not impact GPS tracking.

Yah there is. Maybe not written in the PCA but that's old news.

6 months after the PCA was written, this is what was turned over to the defense in discovery:
The prosecution tells the defense in the filing they have turned over 10,000 pages of reports and written materials, 10,200 photographs, 9,200 tips and 51 terabytes of video, audio and digital materials.

So with 10,000 pages of written reports, I'd have to imagine there'd be more info about the cell phone and the car's whereabouts.

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/special-reports/moscow-murders/idaho-murder-university-bryan-kohberger-discovery/277-015209e1-908f-4bab-b98f-5a22bd09146

This is the same information that Ann Taylor said contained "precious little evidence." However, we don't know what else has been found since then.

Waiting to hear how their prosecution witnesses will be turned into alibi witnesses.

I am also.

The Grand Jury does not require Beyond A Reasonable Doubt. No surprise that 6 of the 24 wanted BARD because jurors like to be sure.

Actually in Idaho, when the laws in regards to Grand Juries were written in the mid 1800's it was modeled on the laws in California which require BARD. The Idaho standard required by law is BARD and it has remained BARD throughout the late 1800's is still BARD by law. In the 1920's some prosecutors began using PC. The law was not changed at that time and prosecutors in Idaho continued to use PC until 1980 when there was a challenge about this issue in a district court. The district court ruled that PC could be used although the state law says BARD. And the law remained unchanged. It is still BARD. So...this issue needs to go before the Idaho Supreme Court and a decision needs to be made one way or the other so that prosecutors can behave in a lawful manner. Precedence does not override a law which has been in place for around 150 years. However, the law is made to be changed. If PC is OK with the people in Idaho as a standard for Grand Juries, then it should be changed to PC. If BARD is preferred by the people of Idaho as a standard for Grand Juries, then everyone needs to know that the law, as written is affirmed and upheld and prosecutors need to behave in a lawful manner without any more backsliding to PC. This is definitely a worthwhile issue to get clarity on and a final resolution through the Idaho Supreme Court.

The trial will be way more complex and data driven than the GJ was.

Possibly. I'm hoping for a straight forward prosecution case that makes sense and is believable with actual evidence that supports the case.

I think the single source DNA will go a long way towards putting him in the house, especially where it was found.

I think the DNA is proving problematic.

I highly doubt that could have happened. He was wearing a mask on his face!

But what about the mask?

It is possible to use computers and take photos such as DL photos of bushy eyebrowed men and photo edit the photos to show them wearing masks on the lower halves of their faces and black attire just like what DM described she saw that night. Then a photo lineup with DM could be done to see if she recognizes the man she saw.

I'd like to see fingerprints too---but I think we both know he was wearing gloves.

That's likely. Perhaps one of the two footprints will be his size. Or maybe there are other things we don't know about that can identify him.

The DNA is a big clue. And the video of his car, with no front plate, doing a 3 point turn and stopping right next to the house is another.

Unfortunately there is absolutely no proof that is BK's car. The PCA reads like police were watching one car in Pullman (definitely BK's car) and then his phone goes off and they lose all sight of his vehicle. Then about 40 minutes later they found another white Elantra driving around in Moscow on Indian Hills Rd - a residential neighborhood. But is it the same car? There are no photos of it going into that neighborhood or of how it got from Pullman to Moscow, if it is BK's car although there ARE traffic cameras along the way. And what would he be doing in that neighborhood on the far side of Moscow from Pullman if his plan was to kill the girls at 1122 King Rd?

I don't think it matters. Many home invasions involve strangers. They often pick their victims out right before the crime. Maybe he saw them walking out of the bar, or saw them on the food truck stream?

I agree, he could have just come upon the house by happenstance and gone in to commit these murders.

Me too. Although I am heavily leaning towards guilt at this time, I will listen intently to the defense case to see if it nullifies my concerns.

I continue to wait to find out more. My hope is that the prosecution presents a solid case and the defense does as well so that it becomes clear as to what the truth is either way.

 

[Balthazar]

The Albertsons camera footage is hours later. See my exchange with 10ofRods a couple posts ago. The morning visit to Moscow was at 9, Albertsons footage is frm around 1pm. He returned to Pullman in between the two.
We know for 100% sure he made that trip to Albertsons . The rest of his itinerary, unfortunately, is only alleged at this point.

As far as I know, at this time, the ping data only puts him in an area consistent with Moscow, meaning in an area covered by the Moscow cell tower. It doesn't put him at 1122 king road.
Does anyone have a more precise map than this one? This is what appeared in the Idaho Statesman article as being the area covered by that tower. It's quite a broad area, with no other tower overlapping near King Road to triangulate with.
View attachment 459860
I don't think BK will claim someone else drove his car that night. I think he will say, the Elantra on camera that night is not his Elantra in all the footage. "Yes that was my Elantra leaving Pullman, but no that wasn't mine making three passes in front of the house that night". The defense will probably question whether the State disregarded any footage that showed other white elantras heading in other directions also covered by that tower.
This will, of course depend on the quality of the footage. IF the footage of the three passes shows a missing plate on the Elantra, he won't be able to deny it's his car. If however, it's just a blurry profile view of the vehicle, he definitely will claim that's not his Elantra.

The missing front plate is not a very good clue, IMO. Both WSU and UofI Moscow have students who have come from many other states. 20 of 30 US states do not require front license plates. And, I think everyone here is also aware that criminals have been known to remove license plates to commit crimes.

And there is another factor. On the night of the murders (Nov. 12), there was a big football game between UofI Moscow and UC Davis. UC Davis enjoys one of the highest rates of attendance at their games. UCDavis has many students from other states. Thousands of additional people would have been in Moscow from California and many other states for this game including not just students but alumna as well. UCDavis has had as many as 11,000 people attending to support their team. The Kibbie Dome (UofI Moscow's football stadium) seats 16,000. Add many football attendees to Moscow ID with a population of around 25,850 and that's a lot of people and a lot of vehicles from places unknown all staying in hotels, guest rooms, airBnB's, VRBO's and more in vehicles with and without front license plates.

Chief Fry said there were 22,000 2011 - 2013 white Elantras they were searching through. If you add in white Elantras from 2014 and 2015, that's an estimated total of 37,000 white Elantras just in their search area. That's a daunting task in and of itself. But what about the out-of-towners who came in for the big game? How many white Elantras did they bring into town?

I agree with how you think the defense will handle this as long as there are no images showing BK in the car in Moscow and they have no images of his license plate.

 

[Swansee]

@10ofRods Yes, that is the source of the document. It's part of a 160 page file titled State of Idaho vs Bryan Kohberger that contains various documents and exhibits, so perhaps not clearly labeled on the media page. I'll try to find a link to it.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/kohberger-search-records-from-wsu/6e5a6ce24a286a06/full.pdf…

 

[jepop]

I'm going to go double check to see if any of the court documents specifically state this information. Because at this point, it was Howard Blum who was saying it....and we have already found where he has been factually incorrect as well as just made things up.

Please do if you get the time @gremlin444. I know Blum has been discussed before and agree with your assessement, also writes stuff he could not know because non-dissemination order. Moo from memory the court docs do NOT. We know from Court docs ISL sent a forensic sample, not the entire sheath. Blum is a menace to this case Imo.Jmo

ETA: And it is a complete falsehood that any other than the Idaho state lab extracted and did the str analysis of the sheath dna. Othram was used for the snp profile and subsequent IGG only, which is what I am referring to above. As I said, Imo, Blum is a menace to this case and accurate reporting of it. Jmo.

 

[schooling]

The Albertsons camera footage is hours later. See my exchange with 10ofRods a couple posts ago. The morning visit to Moscow was at 9, Albertsons footage is frm around 1pm. He returned to Pullman in between the two.
We know for 100% sure he made that trip to Albertsons . The rest of his itinerary, unfortunately, is only alleged at this point.

As far as I know, at this time, the ping data only puts him in an area consistent with Moscow, meaning in an area covered by the Moscow cell tower. It doesn't put him at 1122 king road.
Does anyone have a more precise map than this one? This is what appeared in the Idaho Statesman article as being the area covered by that tower. It's quite a broad area, with no other tower overlapping near King Road to triangulate with.
View attachment 459860
I don't think BK will claim someone else drove his car that night. I think he will say, the Elantra on camera that night is not his Elantra in all the footage. "Yes that was my Elantra leaving Pullman, but no that wasn't mine making three passes in front of the house that night". The defense will probably question whether the State disregarded any footage that showed other white elantras heading in other directions also covered by that tower.
This will, of course depend on the quality of the footage. IF the footage of the three passes shows a missing plate on the Elantra, he won't be able to deny it's his car. If however, it's just a blurry profile view of the vehicle, he definitely will claim that's not his Elantra.

The two bubbles mean nothing on their own. Cell phone data is typically triangulated to locate someone. According to the chart you posted. It doesn't look like Moscow/Pullman is dense in cell phone towers. But the location will be a lot more accurate than those two bubbles because of the ping (related to time delay in this article) . Here's a great read on it directly from the government. It also talks about how frequent your phone reads this. An amazing source of information! (It's a PDF)

When turned on, a cell phone registers its location with the nearest cellular tower approximately every seven seconds. When an individual moves, the signal moves too, continually switching to the closest tower. Accordingly, one can get a very general sense of a person’s location by learning with which tower a phone is registering. The greater the number of cell towers in the area, the greater the accuracy. For example, in urban areas, there usually are many towers, so one can gather more specific location information than in rural areas, where towers may be miles apart. One can obtain more precise detail by using triangulation, which measures the time delay or angle of arrival of the signal from a cell phone to the three nearest cellular towers.

https://www.fletc.gov/sites/default/files/imported_files/training/programs/legal-division/downloads-articles-and-faqs/research-by-subject/miscellaneous/TrackingIndividualsviaTheirCellularPhones.pdf

Plus all we need to do is look at recent cases and how cellular evidence was handled.

In the Barry Morphew case Law Enforcement were able to place Morphew in his backyard via his cell phone. And see his movements in the backyard and around the house. I know Morphew was released recently. But it's important to recognize that he acknowledged the cell data, gave a reason for it, and did not dispute the movement. Just the interpretation of the movement.

Cell phone records appear to show Barry Morphew's phone pinging all around the house on May 9. When asked about this unusual phone activity, Barry told investigators he was running around the property shooting chipmunks, which Barry says were a constant nuisance.

However, investigators believe this unusual phone activity could be Barry chasing Suzanne around the house after shooting her with the tranquilizer gun.

This satellite image of the Morphew home shows some of those ping locations from Barry's cell phone

Evidence in the Suzanne Morphew case.


In the YNW Melly rapper case FBI experts testified that they were able to use his cell phone to place him traveling in the same car as the two victims. After the defense was unsuccessful in having the judge throw out the cell phone evidence they pivoted to claiming that it wasn't his.

Henry told police there was a drive-by shooting at Miramar Parkway, but Bradley claims the shooter was in the Jeep. Bradley also said the cell phone tracking data places Demons, Henry, and the two victims at Miramar Parkway, Pines Boulevard, and Pembroke Road.

....

Bradley said cell phone records also show Demons was with the two victims up to 15 minutes before Henry arrived in the Jeep Compass at Memorial Miramar Hospital with the two bodies. The defense claims the prosecution isn’t able to prove that the data is connected to Demons

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/06/21/ynw-melly-on-trial-fbi-expert-presents-mobile-phone-data/.

There are other cases (including the big one in SC) but I think I've illustrated the point via the sources.

Also MOO and IMO on anything that might be implied as my opinion. Though I think the sources cover everything.

 

[Swansee]

Something bugs me about the Kohberger alibi vs the PCA.
See screenshot from the defense's August 2nd objection, highlighted by me, :

I don't understand this.
Why would the defense claim he was out driving from late November 12th and into November 13th?
The PCA does not mention his cell phone pings prior to 2:42am. It only mentions the 2:42 time as "utilizing cellular ressources that provide coverage to the Kohberger residence consistent with" him leaving the residence and traveling south. Then the 2:47 time is mentioned as when BK's phone stopped reporting to the network.
The PCA implies that Kohberger left his residence around 2:42am.
However, the alibi states that BK would have already been out driving by then, since they say he started his long drive late November 12th. This would be in contradiction with the information in the PCA. There's no way 2:42 am on the 13th can be characterized as "late November 12th".
So I wonder, is BK claiming he had already started driving earlier and just stopped back at his apartment, or just drove past the area of his apartment at 2:42?
I am sure the defense must be requesting the cell data prior to 2:42 am.
If it shows him already moving around since say, 11pm on the 12th, that would reinforce his alibi, and also provide an explanation as to why his phone might have died at 2:47, then been left off while charging in the car for two hours.
If the cell data does not show movement consistent with driving before 2:42am, then his alibi, as currently presented, doesn't make any sense.
IMO!

 

[girlhasnoname]

I hope you are right, @jepop, and that there has been more precise location data revealed by CAST. I have doubts however, because if precise data was available, placing him definitively at Kings Road, six grand jurors wouldn't have requested more in May. So I don't think the CAST gave that much more (this is not meant as a disparagement of the people who run these tests). All of my hopes lie on what might be extracted from the digital warrants, which were replied to only after the Grand Jury.
I hope all of the footage they have is undoubtedly
Based on what little we have seen now, the only solid thing is that a white sedan made three passes in front of the King road residence while BK's cell phone was in a twelve mile radius of the Moscow tower. Nothing more than that has been shown to us, AFAIK. These things worry me.

@SpiderFalcon , in the June 22 filing, Logsdon states: “There is no explanation for the total lack of DNA evidence from the victims in Mr. Kohberger’s apartment, office, home, or vehicle." Defense attorneys can play with words, but they can't just flat out lie to the judge about a total lack of DNA evidence. We can speculate that no DNA evidence remains because BK cleaned his car, but the end result is none was found. Our feelings say there must have been something in the car. The facts as we know them now say otherwise.

BK was CJ student. My feelings say he knew how to take precautions to keep from leaving evidence behind. A coverall, gloves and shoes quickly removed and placed in a plastic bag would prevent transfer of DNA. It's not like he was literally dripping blood, his attack was quick and very specific on each victim.

A shower curtain or plastic covering on his seats would be double insurance. I don't find it surprising at all that no physical DNA was found in his car, office or home. BUT, the clincher here is that BK's DNA was found at the scene of the murder, on the murder weapon sheath beside or between two victims. Whoopsies.

MOO

 

[pseudo_hum]

BK was CJ student. My feelings say he knew how to take precautions to keep from leaving evidence behind. A coverall, gloves and shoes quickly removed and placed in a plastic bag would prevent transfer of DNA. It's not like he was literally dripping blood, his attack was quick and very specific on each victim.

A shower curtain or plastic covering on his seats would be double insurance. I don't find it surprising at all that no physical DNA was found in his car, office or home. BUT, the clincher here is that BK's DNA was found at the scene of the murder, on the murder weapon sheath beside or between two victims. Whoopsies.

MOO

Agreed, being a CJ student, I would not be surprised to learn he has studied many serial killers. We know he studied BTK. And during those studies, IMO, he has contemplated how he would have done it, without being caught.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Wonder how many students at either University have No Alibi (out driving alone) for that Saturday night/early Sunday or any Saturday night. He might be the only student that no one sees, ever. Plenty stay in, don’t go out, but aren’t invisible.

BK was CJ student. My feelings say he knew how to take precautions to keep from leaving evidence behind. A coverall, gloves and shoes quickly removed and placed in a plastic bag would prevent transfer of DNA. It's not like he was literally dripping blood, his attack was quick and very specific on each victim.

A shower curtain or plastic covering on his seats would be double insurance. I don't find it surprising at all that no physical DNA was found in his car, office or home. BUT, the clincher here is that BK's DNA was found at the scene of the murder, on the murder weapon sheath beside or between two victims. Whoopsies.

MOO

Be interesting to know if he frequently turned off his cell phone for “late night drives” and his rationale for switching off his phone. Or, was this night atypical.
Logically, people turn off phone to not be disturbed at 2am, a guy with literally no friends (am I wrong about this?) - why did he turn the phone OFF, when there are other options like Do Not Disturb. Additionally, long rural drive in darkness - no GPS app to help. Or at least consult in case do get lost.
Did he set up a pattern of behavior, like nightly drives with phone off - as alibi, or his typical stealth stalking late at night w phone off?
His pattern prior 4 weeks will be interesting.

(Did a jury duty for assault case about few yrs ago, the accused had turned his phone off during time he travelled to victim house beat him up and returned home. Victim ID’d him so there was that evidence. His alibi would have been more believable if he had let the phone go flat, and said oh my charger didn’t work. But really, no one just turns off their phone while sitting at home watching tv. Phone analysis showed he didn’t ever turn off phone in previous weeks. Accused was 26 years old, claimed didn’t know how a smart phone worked.etc. This wasn’t only evidence but it didn’t help him. He should have left the phone home and on Do Not Disturb, or let it run out of battery)

 

[arielilane]

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[schooling]

Wonder how many students at either University have No Alibi (out driving alone) for that Saturday night/early Sunday or any Saturday night. He might be the only student that no one sees, ever. Plenty stay in, don’t go out, but aren’t invisible.

Be interesting to know if he frequently turned off his cell phone for “late night drives” and his rationale for switching off his phone. Or, was this night atypical.
Logically, people turn off phone to not be disturbed at 2am, a guy with literally no friends (am I wrong about this?) - why did he turn the phone OFF, when there are other options like Do Not Disturb. Additionally, long rural drive in darkness - no GPS app to help. Or at least consult in case do get lost.
Did he set up a pattern of behavior, like nightly drives with phone off - as alibi, or his typical stealth stalking late at night w phone off?
His pattern prior 4 weeks will be interesting.

(Did a jury duty for assault case about few yrs ago, the accused had turned his phone off during time he travelled to victim house beat him up and returned home. Victim ID’d him so there was that evidence. His alibi would have been more believable if he had let the phone go flat, and said oh my charger didn’t work. But really, no one just turns off their phone while sitting at home watching tv. Phone analysis showed he didn’t ever turn off phone in previous weeks. Accused was 26 years old, claimed didn’t know how a smart phone worked.etc. This wasn’t only evidence but it didn’t help him. He should have left the phone home and on Do Not Disturb, or let it run out of battery)

While I think BK did it. I'll be the first to admit if I was accused of committing a crime and my cell phone records were ever scrutinized there would be 10000 page thread about it on Websleuths.

My cell phone's battery is dead most of the time. I'll often leave it at home if I run out quickly somewhere local. I need to ask my Homepods to help me find my iPhone in the house because I just leave it in random places for hours. My family knows that on weekends they should just call or text my wife because one or two of the aforementioned factors.

I do all of this stuff because I'm in technology and I'm just fatigued with it all. Which may sound benign and an innocent enough reason in this context. But if I was ever accused of committing and trying to cover up a crime it would probably sound flimsy, ridiculous and point to my guilt.

So I'm sure interested to see if the defense could pull other cell records and show us that this was normal behavior for BK.

 

[Balthazar]

Something bugs me about the Kohberger alibi vs the PCA.
See screenshot from the defense's August 2nd objection, highlighted by me, :
View attachment 460190
I don't understand this.
Why would the defense claim he was out driving from late November 12th and into November 13th?
The PCA does not mention his cell phone pings prior to 2:42am. It only mentions the 2:42 time as "utilizing cellular ressources that provide coverage to the Kohberger residence consistent with" him leaving the residence and traveling south. Then the 2:47 time is mentioned as when BK's phone stopped reporting to the network.
The PCA implies that Kohberger left his residence around 2:42am.
However, the alibi states that BK would have already been out driving by then, since they say he started his long drive late November 12th. This would be in contradiction with the information in the PCA. There's no way 2:42 am on the 13th can be characterized as "late November 12th".
So I wonder, is BK claiming he had already started driving earlier and just stopped back at his apartment, or just drove past the area of his apartment at 2:42?
I am sure the defense must be requesting the cell data prior to 2:42 am.
If it shows him already moving around since say, 11pm on the 12th, that would reinforce his alibi, and also provide an explanation as to why his phone might have died at 2:47, then been left off while charging in the car for two hours.
If the cell data does not show movement consistent with driving before 2:42am, then his alibi, as currently presented, doesn't make any sense.
IMO!

In the previous thread someone pulled the mileage on BK's car(I think 88 or 89)and we discussed the fact that there is excessive mileage on his car for the months after he moved to Pullman and even before when he was in Pennsylvania. It appeared that he did, indeed, have a night driving habit.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Wonder how many students at either University have No Alibi (out driving alone) for that Saturday night/early Sunday or any Saturday night. He might be the only student that no one sees, ever. Plenty stay in, don’t go out, but aren’t invisible.

Be interesting to know if he frequently turned off his cell phone for “late night drives” and his rationale for switching off his phone. Or, was this night atypical.
Logically, people turn off phone to not be disturbed at 2am, a guy with literally no friends (am I wrong about this?) - why did he turn the phone OFF, when there are other options like Do Not Disturb. Additionally, long rural drive in darkness - no GPS app to help. Or at least consult in case do get lost.
Did he set up a pattern of behavior, like nightly drives with phone off - as alibi, or his typical stealth stalking late at night w phone off?
His pattern prior 4 weeks will be interesting.

(Did a jury duty for assault case about few yrs ago, the accused had turned his phone off during time he travelled to victim house beat him up and returned home. Victim ID’d him so there was that evidence. His alibi would have been more believable if he had let the phone go flat, and said oh my charger didn’t work. But really, no one just turns off their phone while sitting at home watching tv. Phone analysis showed he didn’t ever turn off phone in previous weeks. Accused was 26 years old, claimed didn’t know how a smart phone worked.etc. This wasn’t only evidence but it didn’t help him. He should have left the phone home and on Do Not Disturb, or let it run out of battery)

Sorry was not clear.
Meant to say - why would a person switch phone OFF while mid-night driving, when there is “Do Not Disturb” option. It’s not like anyone would call (him) or text at 2am anyway, so what is HIS rationale for switching off phone completely. Just don’t see rationale for getting in car after midnight driving a few miles and then switching off phone.
So, be interesting to see if switching off phone when driving is normal habit for BK.
No one calls at that hour anyway….

 

[10ofRods]

The ping data in the PCA give a few more points for the car, such as Blaine (first trip) and Uniontown (WA - first trip).

On the third trip (the one where he goes to Albertson's), one can deduce more points on the map because there are bridges to cross to get to Clarkston, and then a town north of Clarkston - headed back to Pullman).

The phone records place him in those places, IMO. Not just the cctv vidveos. The State wouldn't be announcing all this if it didn't know that both the phone and any video data were consistent with each other. IMO, it's one of the best digital tracking records I've seen in any murder case.

The actual GPS and cell phone data, once completely analyzed will give overwhelming evidence of these three trips (per the PCA):

1) To the murder site, at the time of the murders, with loops through the neighborhood of 1122 King, finally pulling into an unsurveilled area used for parking - and leaving about 20 minutes later, again caught on various cameras and pinging off Moscow towers
2) Return to the scene of the crime later that morning
3) A trip to Clarkston via the 195 (probably originating at Steptoe), which requires a bridge crossing (PCA says he pinged in Johnson, and the map in the PCA shows him driving south on the 195, through Lewiston and then across the bridge to the Bridge Street Albertson's - there's another Albertson's in Lewiston that he basically went past, but crossed the bridge to the one nearer the Snake River, where he also seen by an eyewitness in addition to being caught on the Albertson's camera.

On trips 1 and 3, there are both cell tower pings and video of him in some of the locations supported by the pings.

The GPS data will be very helpful. I don't know what kind of telematics his Elantra has, but most cars of that year have some computerized data on board, how far back in time it goes, I have no clue.

IMO

 

[Chloegirl]

The ping data in the PCA give a few more points for the car, such as Blaine (first trip) and Uniontown (WA - first trip).

On the third trip (the one where he goes to Albertson's), one can deduce more points on the map because there are bridges to cross to get to Clarkston, and then a town north of Clarkston - headed back to Pullman).

The phone records place him in those places, IMO. Not just the cctv vidveos. The State wouldn't be announcing all this if it didn't know that both the phone and any video data were consistent with each other. IMO, it's one of the best digital tracking records I've seen in any murder case.

The actual GPS and cell phone data, once completely analyzed will give overwhelming evidence of these three trips (per the PCA):

1) To the murder site, at the time of the murders, with loops through the neighborhood of 1122 King, finally pulling into an unsurveilled area used for parking - and leaving about 20 minutes later, again caught on various cameras and pinging off Moscow towers
2) Return to the scene of the crime later that morning
3) A trip to Clarkston via the 195 (probably originating at Steptoe), which requires a bridge crossing (PCA says he pinged in Johnson, and the map in the PCA shows him driving south on the 195, through Lewiston and then across the bridge to the Bridge Street Albertson's - there's another Albertson's in Lewiston that he basically went past, but crossed the bridge to the one nearer the Snake River, where he also seen by an eyewitness in addition to being caught on the Albertson's camera.

On trips 1 and 3, there are both cell tower pings and video of him in some of the locations supported by the pings.

The GPS data will be very helpful. I don't know what kind of telematics his Elantra has, but most cars of that year have some computerized data on board, how far back in time it goes, I have no clue.

IMO

If you live in Pullman and you need things from the grocery store (like a regular human being) you do not drive to Clarkston to go to Albertsons. Costco maybe. Him going to the grocery store 35 miles away makes no sense. There are several stores in Pullman and Moscow. I hope they use that information as well. JMOO

Everything he does is suspicious.

 

[10ofRods]

Something bugs me about the Kohberger alibi vs the PCA.
See screenshot from the defense's August 2nd objection, highlighted by me, :
View attachment 460190
I don't understand this.
Why would the defense claim he was out driving from late November 12th and into November 13th?
The PCA does not mention his cell phone pings prior to 2:42am. It only mentions the 2:42 time as "utilizing cellular ressources that provide coverage to the Kohberger residence consistent with" him leaving the residence and traveling south. Then the 2:47 time is mentioned as when BK's phone stopped reporting to the network.
The PCA implies that Kohberger left his residence around 2:42am.
However, the alibi states that BK would have already been out driving by then, since they say he started his long drive late November 12th. This would be in contradiction with the information in the PCA. There's no way 2:42 am on the 13th can be characterized as "late November 12th".
So I wonder, is BK claiming he had already started driving earlier and just stopped back at his apartment, or just drove past the area of his apartment at 2:42?
I am sure the defense must be requesting the cell data prior to 2:42 am.
If it shows him already moving around since say, 11pm on the 12th, that would reinforce his alibi, and also provide an explanation as to why his phone might have died at 2:47, then been left off while charging in the car for two hours.
If the cell data does not show movement consistent with driving before 2:42am, then his alibi, as currently presented, doesn't make any sense.
IMO!

The only reasons I can think of for the defense to use this information are 1) they know he was driving around prior to 2:42, perhaps making more than one trip to Moscow; or 2) they are trying to establish that he was routinely and commonly driving to the neighborhood of 1122 King Road (which seems risky as an alibi, to me, frankly)

There must be incontrovertible evidence of this travel or the Defense wouldn't be trying to explain it, IMO.

And the reason it's not in the PCA is that no judge wants to hear about everything - they just want the very basic, salient facts that are commonly associated with probable cause in their jurisdiction. IME, LE often consults with the judge who is going to issue the arrest warrant and sometimes the judge advises them to leave out all but certain things (because at that point, it's really challenging to be protecting witnesses and there's no need to put in anything other than the facts that show probable cause - being at the house at around the time of the murders, etc).

I don't in any way see how having him go to Moscow for yet another trip, on the 12, is helping his case. Why do you think that? To me it shows someone who is very much interested in driving around the house/neighborhood/town where the murders occurred, perhaps obsessively.

I'm guessing the cell data shows exactly that (Defense has the data by the time they do the alibi, IMO). So they're trying to say, "SODDI, but this dude just likes to drive around the U of I campus late at night - that's his hobby or something).

These drives are also coinciding with BK learning just how precarious (and financially impossible) continuing in grad school is about to be. Maybe in the past, these late night drives (are all 12 noted in the PCA late at night - I think so) calmed him. Why that particular neighborhood was so interesting to him, I don't know. PCA doesn't say he ever stopped there.

I'm sure they have (and probably had, even then) an incredible amount of data from that phone's traveling around - they abstracted what was pertinent to that judge and that jurisdiction, as LE is expected to do.

IMO.

 

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@Balthazar @10ofRods
What puzzles me is actually not the habit part, I'm quite convinced BK probably did drive around at night alone often. Sounds about right with him being a known night-owl, and yes the car mileage would seem to fit with that habit.
It's the time of departure from the residence that I was questioning in my post. I had always assumed that he left his residence at 2:42.
I had never noticed how ambiguous the PCA wording really is about this. It actually never says that he was at his residence before or even at 2:42, just that he was in an area with cellular resources that provide coverage to the area of his residence at 2:42.
I had not noticed BK's claim of having already been out driving for several hours prior to 2:42, It would be a very sillly lie to tell, because it's so easily disproven with cell data.
Sure, the PCA doesn't have to mention everything. But if BK had been near King Road scouting earlier that night, when his phone was still on, I'm sure the PCA would mention it, because that would be very strong with cameras+pings+gps data. So this opens the possibility that he was genuinely driving around elsewere for several hours prior.
Why does this matter to me? It's been running in the back of my mind since I posted. If he really did start driving around three or more hours earlier and not to Moscow, that kind of erodes the "man on a mission" image of BK leaving his house to go straight to King Road. I had entertained the thought that he could have been sitting at home watching the grub truck stream to know when the victims would be heading home, but that seems unlikely if he was already driving around.
When would he have prepped the car? When did he put on his mask/gloves and supposed Dickies outfit? Did he go driving for three hours prior to 2:42 while fully geared up and with his car interior fully lined in plastic?
It would also be slightly more plausible that BK's phone died after several hours out and about, rather than what I previously thought, which is that the phone was switched off five minutes after he left his home. Of course, that's probably irrelevant as the timing of that phone being off is still just going to be very bad for him either way.

TLDR: I am trying to make sense of what happened at and before 2:42. I used to think it was clear that was the time he left his apartment, but it appears that is not the case, and it raises lots of questions in my mind.

 

[Balthazar]

@Balthazar @10ofRods
What puzzles me is actually not the habit part, I'm quite convinced BK probably did drive around at night alone often. Sounds about right with him being a known night-owl, and yes the car mileage would seem to fit with that habit.
It's the time of departure from the residence that I was questioning in my post. I had always assumed that he left his residence at 2:42.
I had never noticed how ambiguous the PCA wording really is about this. It actually never says that he was at his residence before or even at 2:42, just that he was in an area with cellular resources that provide coverage to the area of his residence at 2:42.
I had not noticed BK's claim of having already been out driving for several hours prior to 2:42, It would be a very sillly lie to tell, because it's so easily disproven with cell data.
Sure, the PCA doesn't have to mention everything. But if BK had been near King Road scouting earlier that night, when his phone was still on, I'm sure the PCA would mention it, because that would be very strong with cameras+pings+gps data. So this opens the possibility that he was genuinely driving around elsewere for several hours prior.
Why does this matter to me? It's been running in the back of my mind since I posted. If he really did start driving around three or more hours earlier and not to Moscow, that kind of erodes the "man on a mission" image of BK leaving his house to go straight to King Road. I had entertained the thought that he could have been sitting at home watching the grub truck stream to know when the victims would be heading home, but that seems unlikely if he was already driving around.
When would he have prepped the car? When did he put on his mask/gloves and supposed Dickies outfit? Did he go driving for three hours prior to 2:42 while fully geared up and with his car interior fully lined in plastic?
It would also be slightly more plausible that BK's phone died after several hours out and about, rather than what I previously thought, which is that the phone was switched off five minutes after he left his home. Of course, that's probably irrelevant as the timing of that phone being off is still just going to be very bad for him either way.

TLDR: I am trying to make sense of what happened at and before 2:42. I used to think it was clear that was the time he left his apartment, but it appears that is not the case, and it raises lots of questions in my mind.

I agree with everything you have written. When LE first picked up on BK's vehicle in Pullman, it appears to me like he was headed home. Then something unknown happened to cause him to turn around and drive the opposite direction. I, too, am bothered by the fact that the white Elantra LE claims is BK's appeared out of nowhere on Indian Hills Rd at 3:26am in Moscow after it was last seen in Pullman at 2:47am. That's 39 minutes later. It is a 13 to 16 minute drive between the location he was last seen at in Pullman and the 700 block of Indian Hills Rd. Where was he all that time, IF that was even him???? If you look at a map of Moscow, that Indian Hills Rd. neighborhood is on the side of Moscow furthest from Pullman, well past the University and certainly NOT on the way to 1122 King Rd. The white Elantra in the Linda Lane video appears to be searching for something, backing up, circling, going around and around, making 3 point turns. This is not the behavior of a car with a driver who knows where he is going and is on a mission to kill someone. So I really do wonder if that is some kind of delivery driver who simply cannot find the address they are looking for. There is absolutely no known proof that white Elantra was parked at or near 1122 King Rd nor that the occupant got out of that vehicle at any time. There can be no doubt that the 1122 King Rd address would be difficult to locate by address if you don't know it is there because the house's front door/parking area was on Queen Rd, not King Rd. Even LE was mixed up about the address in one of the noise complaint body cam videos and called the house in as 1122 Queen Rd.

And, if that was not BK's car, then the implication, to me, is that the killer or killers must have arrived on foot. Which takes us back to the beginning of this case and a lot of interesting things said by insiders before the gag order, which point to other possible suspects.

 

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Hard to believe this senseless tragedy was one year ago already.