4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #96

[sunshineray]

I think people who commit murders in a DP state don't necessarily think they will be caught. I think that likely describes BK.

So, committing these murders in a DP state was not much of a consideration nor much of a deterrent, imo.

MOO.

I think maybe it was a fascination with one of the girls that fueled him to do it. I also think he believed he was too intelligent to get caught. AJMO

"But Kaylee Goncalves' parents, Steve and Kristi, believe they have proof of a connection.
(...)
They say they discovered "digital evidence" they say showed a tie of Kohberger to two of the victims.
(...)
"You would go to Maddie's Instagram account and look at her pictures, and he liked them," Kristi said. "He had liked them. Bryan's name was under a lot of Maddie's pictures. Liked her pictures, liked that picture and that picture, and that picture, and that picture. So, he was actively looking at the Instagram account."

The account stopped being active the day BK was arrested. So maybe LE has evidence of a connection. JMO

Idaho student murders suspect Bryan Kohberger followed victims on Instagram, says family

Among the never-ending questions surrounding the murders of University of Idaho students Kaylee Goncalves, Madison "Maddie" Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin — was did they know their killer?

www.cbsnews.com

 

[CKS]

I'm not seeing the problem with discovery or with choosing speedy trial or right to effective counsel. The Reponses indicate that "The State has provided and will continue to provide discovery in accordance with Idaho Criminal Rule 16 and applicable law and reserves any and all objections thereunder. ".

You can't provide discovery until you have been given it yourself and are done with inspection. If they get a shoe box of papers, they have to go through all the papers, make copies, decide if anything leads somewhere else, take pictures/scan, check what is in the bottom of the box what have you. If the FBI doesn't give Prosecution the box of paper for three months, Prosecution can't give it to the defense. As long as the discovery is passed along when the prosecution has finished with it, it is within the realm of providing it according to Criminal Rule 16. That takes as long as it takes. The only sticking point is if they were 100% done with some discovery and didn't turn it over in a timely fashion, and I haven't seen that admitted or proven yet. I've just seen accusations. And if I were defense, I'd be thrilled to get video, even without the audio that may still be being worked on. You put that in the pile of "Need the rest of this before trial". All parts come together at the end. If the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office have not given Prosecution all of the evidence the defense is requesting, Prosecution cannot give it to Defense. Plain and simple.

The choice of speedy trial vs effective counsel was not a choice of two rights. The choice was speedy trial or having as much information for his counsel as possible, which is not the same as effective counsel. Conflating "effective" with "having everything that might come to light over the course of many months" isn't correct. He obviously had Effective Counsel if they told him to waive the speedy trial. Speedy trial would have been a bad idea.

All JMO. Your mileage may vary.

So in your opinion why would the FBI stall in handing over evidence to the prosecution? I don't recall the prosecution ever stating that they were waiting for any evidence from the FBI do you?

IMO, that makes no sense at all. The defense has been asking for discovery for over a year now and has made 18 requests.

 

[sunshineray]

So in your opinion why would the FBI stall in handing over evidence to the prosecution? I don't recall the prosecution ever stating that they were waiting for any evidence from the FBI do you?

IMO, that makes no sense at all. The defense has been asking for discovery for over a year now and has made 18 requests.

Probably half or more of those were instances of the defense having the discovery and just not looking for it well enough. MO
They also weren't very forthcoming with delivering their discovery to the State...until the State filed to compel for it. Everything with this defense has deceitful. Also MO

 

[CKS]

I think maybe it was a fascination with one of the girls that fueled him to do it. I also think he believed he was too intelligent to get caught. AJMO

"But Kaylee Goncalves' parents, Steve and Kristi, believe they have proof of a connection.
(...)
They say they discovered "digital evidence" they say showed a tie of Kohberger to two of the victims.
(...)
"You would go to Maddie's Instagram account and look at her pictures, and he liked them," Kristi said. "He had liked them. Bryan's name was under a lot of Maddie's pictures. Liked her pictures, liked that picture and that picture, and that picture, and that picture. So, he was actively looking at the Instagram account."

The account stopped being active the day BK was arrested. So maybe LE has evidence of a connection. JMO

Idaho student murders suspect Bryan Kohberger followed victims on Instagram, says family

Among the never-ending questions surrounding the murders of University of Idaho students Kaylee Goncalves, Madison "Maddie" Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin — was did they know their killer?

www.cbsnews.com

First it states in your article"48 Hours" has not been able to confirm the authenticity of this account.

It didn't stop being active the day he was arrested. It was actually deleted a shortly after BK was arrested. In your opinion how did BK delete the account if in fact it was actually his account.

Reminder even the prosecution has said there was no connection b/t BK and the victims.

All my opinion.

 

[CKS]

Probably half or more of those were instances of the defense having the discovery and just not looking for it well enough. MO
They also weren't very forthcoming with delivering their discovery to the State...until the State filed to compel for it. Everything with this defense has deceitful. Also MO

What did the State file to compel for? BK's full alibi?

Just curious but what have they been deceitful with?

All moo.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

So in your opinion why would the FBI stall in handing over evidence to the prosecution? I don't recall the prosecution ever stating that they were waiting for any evidence from the FBI do you?

IMO, that makes no sense at all. The defense has been asking for discovery for over a year now and has made 18 requests.

Content of 2 closed door hearings

I think this is some of what you need?

State prosecutors do not have in their possession the reports produced by the FBI’s cellular data analyst team during the homicide investigation, for example, Thompson said. They will provide those to the defense once they receive them from the FBI, he said.
Judge signed subpoenas sent to the FBI to require the agency turn over some of the requested records. Separately, Thompson said prosecutors have for months been pursuing the so-called Touhy process, which is a federal requirement for the FBI to turn over records.

 

[CKS]

Probably half or more of those were instances of the defense having the discovery and just not looking for it well enough. MO
They also weren't very forthcoming with delivering their discovery to the State...until the State filed to compel for it. Everything with this defense has deceitful. Also MO

It's been two years since it happened. The defense are still requesting discovery two years later. It's unprofessional and imo suspicious. How is BK supposed to prepare his defense? Why did the state arrest BK if they didn't have all the evidence to hand over?

Where is the evidence/discovery, the reports, videos, DNA samples etc? It as if the MPD got BK's name somehow and have attempted to orchestrate a case around that name instead of the crime scene evidence leading to BK imo.

2 cents/all moo

 

[ilovewings]

It's been two years since it happened. The defense are still requesting discovery two years later. It's unprofessional and imo suspicious. How is BK supposed to prepare his defense? Why did the state arrest BK if they didn't have all the evidence to hand over?

Where is the evidence/discovery, the reports, videos, DNA samples etc? It as if the MPD got BK's name somehow and have attempted to orchestrate a case around that name instead of the crime scene evidence leading to BK imo.

2 cents/all moo

With all due respect we have no idea what discovery was given to the defense- just because the defense is requesting discovery two years later doesn't mean they have not been given everything the prosecution has. There must be a cutoff discovery date- and I certainly don't know what that date is.

 

[MassGuy]

It's been two years since it happened. The defense are still requesting discovery two years later. It's unprofessional and imo suspicious. How is BK supposed to prepare his defense? Why did the state arrest BK if they didn't have all the evidence to hand over?

Where is the evidence/discovery, the reports, videos, DNA samples etc? It as if the MPD got BK's name somehow and have attempted to orchestrate a case around that name instead of the crime scene evidence leading to BK imo.

2 cents/all moo

Every single thing that's happening here is standard in a case like this. You have a spectacularly dangerous quadruple murderer on the loose; all you need is probable cause, and you can worry about the rest of the process later (testing, reports, etc).

I have never followed a case where the defense isn't complaining about discovery. This case has a ridiculous amount of evidence that must be sorted through, so they'll have plenty of opportunity to complain, even if it isn't justified.

The AA makes it clear that they found him organically, with the DNA ultimately confirming they were on to the right guy. This idea that they built a case in reverse is contrary to evidence; it's baseless nonsense.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

It's been two years since it happened. The defense are still requesting discovery two years later. It's unprofessional and imo suspicious. How is BK supposed to prepare his defense? Why did the state arrest BK if they didn't have all the evidence to hand over?

Where is the evidence/discovery, the reports, videos, DNA samples etc? It as if the MPD got BK's name somehow and have attempted to orchestrate a case around that name instead of the crime scene evidence leading to BK imo.

2 cents/all moo

More on discovery
Some of the defense’s discovery requests are for records that either don’t exist or that the prosecution is still working to retrieve, including from the FBI, Jennings said. The state will deliver everything that prosecutors are required to provide to the defense under Idaho criminal rules and court precedents, she said.

“We can’t give over what we don’t have,” Jennings told the court.

I distinctly remember the hearing when we learned just how overwhelming the discovery was that given to the defense. I think it was in May. AJ stated that some things requested didn't exist, some things were already given and she gave JJJ the #s of those pieces. But some of my links are now dead, though I'll keep looking as time permits.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

You tube of AT requesting discovery
"I want the court to know I don't think that Mr Thompson or Miss Jennings are trying to withhold this." She requests a date that the FBI hands it over. And this refers to a couple of pieces of information she needs.

 

[ilovewings]

Every single thing that's happening here is standard in a case like this. You have a spectacularly dangerous quadruple murderer on the loose; all you need is probable cause, and you can worry about the rest of the process later (testing, reports, etc).

I have never followed a case where the defense isn't complaining about discovery. This case has a ridiculous amount of evidence that must be sorted through, so they'll have plenty of opportunity to complain, even if it isn't justified.

The AA makes it clear that they found him organically, with the DNA ultimately confirming they were on to the right guy. This idea that they built a case in reverse is contrary to evidence; it's baseless nonsense.

Well said

 

[sunshineray]

First it states in your article"48 Hours" has not been able to confirm the authenticity of this account.

It didn't stop being active the day he was arrested. It was actually deleted a shortly after BK was arrested. In your opinion how did BK delete the account if in fact it was actually his account.

Reminder even the prosecution has said there was no connection b/t BK and the victims.

All my opinion.

Yes it does state that. I don't believe Kaylee's family are telling an untruth about it. I also think LE may have had something to do with closing the account. If not, hopefully they were able to get the information that was on the account from Instagram while investigating. It's also not unheard of for a friend/family to deactivate an account for someone, easy to do I'm sure. Maybe his lawyer did it for him? Who knows, maybe LE knows how it was deactivated but cannot now prove it existed except for the screenshots Kaylee's sister took. Just to add, I think BK is as guilty as they come and his trial will tell, he's a cold-blooded killer. AJMO

 

[arielilane]

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1856799893844889804

 

[sunshineray]

It's been two years since it happened. The defense are still requesting discovery two years later. It's unprofessional and imo suspicious. How is BK supposed to prepare his defense? Why did the state arrest BK if they didn't have all the evidence to hand over?

Where is the evidence/discovery, the reports, videos, DNA samples etc? It as if the MPD got BK's name somehow and have attempted to orchestrate a case around that name instead of the crime scene evidence leading to BK imo.

2 cents/all moo

Seems like a not so cute little game the defense is playing, wracking up the requests for effect. The State is providing discovery under the Idaho Criminal Rule 16. AJMO

"The State has and will continue to provide discovery in accordance with Idaho Criminal
Rule 16 and applicable law and reserves any and all objections thereunder.
DATED this 19" day ofAugust, 2024"

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

Edit to add: It also looks like many things are sealed, so very easy to make a big deal about probably nothing, when so much can't be looked at by the public. MO

 

[PinkParis2052]

More on discovery
Some of the defense’s discovery requests are for records that either don’t exist or that the prosecution is still working to retrieve, including from the FBI, Jennings said. The state will deliver everything that prosecutors are required to provide to the defense under Idaho criminal rules and court precedents, she said.

“We can’t give over what we don’t have,” Jennings told the court.

I distinctly remember the hearing when we learned just how overwhelming the discovery was that given to the defense. I think it was in May. AJ stated that some things requested didn't exist, some things were already given and she gave JJJ the #s of those pieces. But some of my links are now dead, though I'll keep looking as time permits.

go to timestamp 2 hrs and 59 minutes and he may start earlier than that. sorry I don't think I have the right time stamp for when this exactly. started with Anne going through things that have been turned over to the defense.

Anne is going through some of the things that have been turned over to the defense. Even Bill Thompson said in one hearing that discovery sometimes can lead to more discovery request and that was back in Feb 2024 or Jan 2024. hearing.

AJ went through what they turn over to the defense and Anne went through what they have received from the defense and she mentioned the item numbers and JJJ thanked her for mentioning the item number so he could check it off the list because remember that JJJ did issue and order for things to be turned over to the defense later on that is under seal.
This is IMO.

 

[Nila Aella]

Case summary page:

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Case-Summary-Kohberger-11142024.pdf

 

[Balthazar]

I think maybe it was a fascination with one of the girls that fueled him to do it. I also think he believed he was too intelligent to get caught. AJMO

"But Kaylee Goncalves' parents, Steve and Kristi, believe they have proof of a connection.
(...)
They say they discovered "digital evidence" they say showed a tie of Kohberger to two of the victims.
(...)
"You would go to Maddie's Instagram account and look at her pictures, and he liked them," Kristi said. "He had liked them. Bryan's name was under a lot of Maddie's pictures. Liked her pictures, liked that picture and that picture, and that picture, and that picture. So, he was actively looking at the Instagram account."

The account stopped being active the day BK was arrested. So maybe LE has evidence of a connection. JMO

Idaho student murders suspect Bryan Kohberger followed victims on Instagram, says family

Among the never-ending questions surrounding the murders of University of Idaho students Kaylee Goncalves, Madison "Maddie" Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin — was did they know their killer?

www.cbsnews.com

No, this case is totally unrelated to what you are alleging. Despite the gag order, there is considerable evidence to prove that. BK had never actually been on any of the victim's social media or liked any photos according to BT and, I would think the prosecutor would know for sure if BK had ever done that. Most likely some internet troll pretended to be BK as soon as BK's name was announced and initially the families didn't know that so they accidentally spread false information through the media. It's not their fault. Yes, there are people out there who do these types of things, unfortunately. IMO, someone who concocts false evidence and puts it on the internet should be arrested. LE has enough to deal with without having to sort through fake evidence. The good news is that LE has tools where they can actually tell if it is legit or not. BT has already stated in court during one of the hearings that BK was not on any of the victim's social media. Further BT stated that BK never stalked any of the victims. AT has said in court that BK didn't know the victims. I believe what both of these officers of the court stated since it was said in hearings. The prosecution and defense are not supposed to lie during a hearing under any circumstances.

From the start LE said this was a "targeted attack." LE uses that description in specific types of cases only and that does not include a stalker or incel or even a serial killer operating alone, and LE would know from seeing the evidence inside the house that it is a "targeted attack" because the attacker(s) would have left a signature of some kind. IMO, that is why LE immediately described this as a "targeted attack" because they saw something inside that house which told them it was a targeted attack. Chief Fry initially said the rest of the public were not in danger but didn't say directly why that was. Perhaps police started second guessing their working theory that it was a targeted attack or they didn't want to explain why they knew it was a targeted attack to the public. In fact Chief Fry told us precisely that in this interview:

At 3:32 Chief Fry says:
"Based on details at the scene, we believe this was an isolated targeted attack on our victims."

BT revealed the information about BK not being on any victims social media and not stalking the victims at the hearing with Dr. Edelman in regards to Edelman's study of potential jurors in the Moscow area on April 10, 2024. Edelman had developed the survey based upon what was in the media about the case and BT specifically mentioned what questions were based on false information. This is available on Youtube for anyone who cares to rewatch it.

IMO, the police saw evidence at 1122 King Rd. that this was an isolated targeted attack and what was recognized by LE and said was correct from the start of the investigation.

All JMO grounded in what few facts are publicly known, so far.

 

[MassGuy]

No, this case is totally unrelated to what you are alleging. Despite the gag order, there is considerable evidence to prove that. BK had never actually been on any of the victim's social media or liked any photos according to BT and, I would think the prosecutor would know for sure if BK had ever done that. Most likely some internet troll pretended to be BK as soon as BK's name was announced and initially the families didn't know that so they accidentally spread false information through the media. It's not their fault. Yes, there are people out there who do these types of things, unfortunately. IMO, someone who concocts false evidence and puts it on the internet should be arrested. LE has enough to deal with without having to sort through fake evidence. The good news is that LE has tools where they can actually tell if it is legit or not. BT has already stated in court during one of the hearings that BK was not on any of the victim's social media. Further BT stated that BK never stalked any of the victims. AT has said in court that BK didn't know the victims. I believe what both of these officers of the court stated since it was said in hearings. The prosecution and defense are not supposed to lie during a hearing under any circumstances.

From the start LE said this was a "targeted attack." LE uses that description in specific types of cases only and that does not include a stalker or incel or even a serial killer operating alone, and LE would know from seeing the evidence inside the house that it is a "targeted attack" because the attacker(s) would have left a signature of some kind. IMO, that is why LE immediately described this as a "targeted attack" because they saw something inside that house which told them it was a targeted attack. Chief Fry initially said the rest of the public were not in danger but didn't say directly why that was. Perhaps police started second guessing their working theory that it was a targeted attack or they didn't want to explain why they knew it was a targeted attack to the public. In fact Chief Fry told us precisely that in this interview:

At 3:32 Chief Fry says:
"Based on details at the scene, we believe this was an isolated targeted attack on our victims."

BT revealed the information about BK not being on any victims social media and not stalking the victims at the hearing with Dr. Edelman in regards to Edelman's study of potential jurors in the Moscow area on April 10, 2024. Edelman had developed the survey based upon what was in the media about the case and BT specifically mentioned what questions were based on false information. This is available on Youtube for anyone who cares to rewatch it.

IMO, the police saw evidence at 1122 King Rd. that this was an isolated targeted attack and what was recognized by LE and said was correct from the start of the investigation.

All JMO grounded in what few facts are publicly known, so far.

Logically, if you assume it's an isolated targeted attack, you're going to be right most of the time. There was no sign of forced entry, no evidence that anything was stolen, and no evidence of a sexual motive. That screams targeted and personal.

They were of course very wrong, as what happened here is an extreme outlier.

 

[sunshineray]

It's been two years since it happened. The defense are still requesting discovery two years later. It's unprofessional and imo suspicious. How is BK supposed to prepare his defense? Why did the state arrest BK if they didn't have all the evidence to hand over?

Where is the evidence/discovery, the reports, videos, DNA samples etc? It as if the MPD got BK's name somehow and have attempted to orchestrate a case around that name instead of the crime scene evidence leading to BK imo.

2 cents/all moo

It's an ongoing investigation. It doesn't just stop when some's arrested. The DNA most certainly led to BK's family member first and then the opportunity to get DNA from BK.

So what if they got a tip on BK at the same time they were following the DNA? Maybe it was a car tip? How is any of that a negative thing in an ongoing investigation? The DNA was there and researched, followed through to the donor/donor's family member.

An investigation can do more that one thing at the same time that's leading them in the same direction, to the same suspect. AJMO