4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #96

[pseudo_hum]

I don't think he thought he was targeting a lone girl, in an empty house, I think he targeted MM and expected her to be in her room alone, and possibly drunk. I think it would be fair of him to assume that KG was staying in her own room, and he may not have known that she had moved out.
I just think things went wrong, he encountered 2 girls and not one and had to think fast, and then make a quick escape, but in trying to do so he encountered XK and she alerted to his presence, which also alerted him that there was at least one more person in the house that was awake and could call for help. I don't think he would have gone from room to room looking for more people to kill.
That's my reasoning anyway, that he made a plan and it went wrong. He didn't account for the variables. I don't think he set out to kill numerous people that night, I do 100% think that if he had got away with either what he planned, or what happened, he would do it again, and I agree that he saw himself as the next famous serial killer.
All JMO though.

Agreed. IMO, he became infatuated with serial killers during his studies. It gave him a purpose and a goal, to not be caught, to remain unknown.

 

[Justice101]

pretty sure this was discussed a lot threads back and no one understands why, if he were actually watching the house(?) or even just arriving,

Given his route around the other apartment buildings (PCA and Gray Hughes videos) and knowing how to drive back and around to the back of the girls' house....and then back out front... I think he had probably sat in that back parking area behind their house many nights and just watched the girl(s) possibly being a peeping tom from his car. He definitely knew his way around there at least from a driving stand point.

Watching some many nights, I think this is probably where he became obsessed with one of the girls on that side and knew how to get in the apartment and work his way upstairs further from there once he got in the the sliding door.

Just my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

We also don’t know if he’d successfully gained entrance other nights undetected and gained confidence with his ability to do so, were there any dry runs perhaps?

moo

 

[Megnut]

Given his route around the other apartment buildings (PCA and Gray Hughes videos) and knowing how to drive back and around to the back of the girls' house....and then back out front... I think he had probably sat in that back parking area behind their house many nights and just watched the girl(s) possibly being a peeping tom from his car. He definitely knew his way around there at least from a driving stand point.

Watching some many nights, I think this is probably where he became obsessed with one of the girls on that side and knew how to get in the apartment and work his way upstairs further from there once he got in the the sliding door.

Just my opinion.

Nothing to say he hadn't been in that house previously either. While everyone slept. He might have had firsthand knowledge of the fishbowl bedrooms, the unlocked slider, the living area step.

I don't recall what time he made his loops that night but ostensibly he was waited for lights out, wanted to enter when everyone was asleep.

IMO he was unaware of the DoorDash delivery, missed it by minutes, or he might have made one more loop.

It's possible he'd been in MM's bedroom on other occasions, maybe not stealing things but moving them. That's so creepy. Vague violation... you'd feel like something was off, you just wouldn't know what... but could well be how he learned her name, if he did know it.

If, if, if, if KG hadn't come back that weekend, the household may have gone quiet sooner, BK wouldn't have had to loop, might have slinked in unnoticed, commit a singular murder (with SA overtones) and linked back out still unnoticed. One victim, less the bloody massacre he left behind, fewer sounds, no Murphy, maybe no voices. No witnesses. No height, no build, no eyebrows, no DNA.

All that would remain, an indistinct white sedan, easily with a stolen license plate.

In some ways, it was with her very life, KG laid hers down to identify MM's murderer (and hers), for I think it's due to her presence, BK lost control, leaving the sheath behind.

He might have gotten away with murder otherwise. Four of them.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Nothing to say he hadn't been in that house previously either. While everyone slept. He might have had firsthand knowledge of the fishbowl bedrooms, the unlocked slider, the living area step.

I don't recall what time he made his loops that night but ostensibly he was waited for lights out, wanted to enter when everyone was asleep.

IMO he was unaware of the DoorDash delivery, missed it by minutes, or he might have made one more loop.

It's possible he'd been in MM's bedroom on other occasions, maybe not stealing things but moving them. That's so creepy. Vague violation... you'd feel like something was off, you just wouldn't know what... but could well be how he learned her name, if he did know it.

If, if, if, if KG hadn't come back that weekend, the household may have gone quiet sooner, BK wouldn't have had to loop, might have slinked in unnoticed, commit a singular murder (with SA overtones) and linked back out still unnoticed. One victim, less the bloody massacre he left behind, fewer sounds, no Murphy, maybe no voices. No witnesses. No height, no build, no eyebrows, no DNA.

All that would remain, an indistinct white sedan, easily with a stolen license plate.

In some ways, it was with her very life, KG laid hers down to identify MM's murderer (and hers), for I think it's due to her presence, BK lost control, leaving the sheath behind.

He might have gotten away with murder otherwise. Four of them.

JMO

Same line of thinking for me, I think it’s possible to maybe even likely he’d been in the house undetected before, and while we might not ever know if he’d been watching other houses as well… moo

 

[ilovewings]

Same line of thinking for me, I think it’s possible to maybe even likely he’d been in the house undetected before, and while we might not ever know if he’d been watching other houses as well… moo

Given it was kind of a party house, he could have been in that house like lots of other people- and scoped it out----

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Given it was kind of a party house, he could have been in that house like lots of other people- and scoped it out----

If it was during parties I would think others might have remembered seeing him, he’s got some distinctive features, but maybe not… moo

 

[minazoe]

Given it was kind of a party house, he could have been in that house like lots of other people- and scoped it out----

it's a slippery slope. mOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

What do WSers think about BK having perpetrated other violent crimes prior his arrest? I'd be quite amazed if his (alleged) killing spree started and stopped with this wholesale slaughter of four young people.

If other serious crimes have now been tied to BK, or if many people have come forward to report incidents, would we the public know about it? If that had happened, would it be used in court for this case?

I don't find it hard to believe BK had some form of aggression/violence in his past. Most prior bad acts are not allowed in a current trial, although there are a few exceptions where they can be brought in.

BK had at least two previous unusual altercations involving young women. One was in HS when he forced to move to a different vocational course because of a female student's complaint, and one where he was involved with installing a video cam for a female friend who then had concerns of security.
Bryan Kohberger booted from police program after complaints from classmates: admin.

There was also the students in his TA class at WSU that complained about him, and he had ongoing problems with the Professor. which we now know he was ultimately terminated from and told about on December 19, 2022.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime...bryan-kohbergers-termination-letter-from-wsu/

I think it would be fair to say the BK had a major problem interacting and respecting the personal boundaries of females in particular, although we've heard from male classmates that he could be abrasive and bullying to them as well.
Bryan Kohberger's high school friends say the accused killer was overweight and bullied

That video where the female officer pulled BK over at WSU for making a left turn on a crosswalk? He COULD NOT stop talking or stating his position. It was an overreaction to something minor, but he just could not let it go.
Bodycam footage shows Bryan Kohberger pulled over by police a month before Idaho student murders

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

I sometimes wonder if that was the only house he was scouting… were there others that he was doing the same thing to? Or just specifically this house and possibly one of its occupants? I’m probably overthinking… moo

Well we know he was "helping" a woman at his college with her security, installing cameras, that he then used to spy on her in her apartment. So I think he was on his way with that behavior into venturing out somewhere away from his college, his home turf. Like @Boxer said, up on Walenta Dr. behind the murder house was a good spot to do his peeping Tom actions. Who knows, he may have even crashed a party there at some point.
AJMO

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Well we know he was "helping" a woman at his college with her security, installing cameras, that he then used to spy on her in her apartment. So I think he was on his way with that behavior into venturing out somewhere away from his college, his home turf. Like @Boxer said, up on Walenta Dr. behind the murder house was a good spot to do his peeping Tom actions. Who knows, he may have even crashed a party there at some point.
AJMO

That all tracks… I personally don’t think at this point he’s responsible for a string of unsolved crimes, however, I wouldn’t be surprised to come and find out if he was… moo

 

[ilovewings]

If it was during parties I would think others might have remembered seeing him, he’s got some distinctive features, but maybe not… moo

He would blend in with a crowd just fine--we see him as a potential killer- and we look at his features with that as a back drop-- I have no doubt if he was part of a group of people who were in that house- he would be just like anybody else-- blending in. so he has sharp features- lots of people do.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I don't think he thought he was targeting a lone girl, in an empty house, I think he targeted MM and expected her to be in her room alone, and possibly drunk. I think it would be fair of him to assume that KG was staying in her own room, and he may not have known that she had moved out.
I just think things went wrong, he encountered 2 girls and not one and had to think fast, and then make a quick escape, but in trying to do so he encountered XK and she alerted to his presence, which also alerted him that there was at least one more person in the house that was awake and could call for help. I don't think he would have gone from room to room looking for more people to kill.
That's my reasoning anyway, that he made a plan and it went wrong. He didn't account for the variables. I don't think he set out to kill numerous people that night, I do 100% think that if he had got away with either what he planned, or what happened, he would do it again, and I agree that he saw himself as the next famous serial killer.
All JMO though.

That's what I think too.

However, since he would know there's other people in the house, it did make me wonder how he was intending to silently subdue his intended victim (IMO that was MM)?

I understand there's no evidence BK was officially stalking any of the household except the driving by and watching the house but there's still a possibility IMO he somehow had a real life encounter with his target that sparked his interest.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

That's what I think too.

However, since he would know there's other people in the house, it did make me wonder how he was intending to silently subdue his intended victim (IMO that was MM)?

I understand there's no evidence BK was officially stalking any of the household except the driving by and watching the house but there's still a possibility IMO he somehow had a real life encounter with his target that sparked his interest.

I'm only guessing, but I would imagine he was confident that she wouldn't scream with a big knife to her throat. That is a very risky assumption for him to make though.
He may also have intended to kill her, with no SA, or still both but kill her first?.
We can only speculate really, and I really don't think we will ever know. JMO

 

[Megnut]

I'm only guessing, but I would imagine he was confident that she wouldn't scream with a big knife to her throat. That is a very risky assumption for him to make though.
He may also have intended to kill her, with no SA, or still both but kill her first?.
We can only speculate really, and I really don't think we will ever know. JMO

No, we can't know, but IMO was came be sure he was well acquainted with Ted Bundy.

I don't think he set out to be like Ted Bundy, however. No doubt, he felt he was smarter than Ted Bundy, and all serial killers like him.

I think BK pursued criminal justice, in particular the criminal mind. Because he knew he had one.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

He would blend in with a crowd just fine--we see him as a potential killer- and we look at his features with that as a back drop-- I have no doubt if he was part of a group of people who were in that house- he would be just like anybody else-- blending in. so he has sharp features- lots of people do.

Entirely possible but I'm having trouble picturing BK fitting in anywhere. He can't even manage a traffic stop without being awkward ... and unyielding.

I'm recalling his father, trying to arrange a play date for his toddler grown son. I don't think BK knows how to relate to people. His colleagues, his students, his cohorts. He's a stare-er and that alone can be intense, creepy, invasive.

He'd be the weird guy in the corner, eating and drinking nothing, just looking at people, making everyone uncomfortable.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Entirely possible but I'm having trouble picturing BK fitting in anywhere. He can't even manage a traffic stop without being awkward ... and unyielding.

I'm recalling his father, trying to arrange a play date for his toddler grown son. I don't think BK knows how to relate to people. His colleagues, his students, his cohorts. He's a stare-er and that alone can be intense, creepy, invasive.

He'd be the weird guy in the corner, eating and drinking nothing, just looking at people, making everyone uncomfortable.

JMO

His eyebrows would be hard for me to forget personally… had a professor decades ago with a unibrow and big bushy eyebrows just stand out… not sure if he would just blend into a kegger … but even if he did, after seeing his picture, I would have expected at least someone to have recalled seeing him at a party or the house before… moo

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Entirely possible but I'm having trouble picturing BK fitting in anywhere. He can't even manage a traffic stop without being awkward ... and unyielding.

I'm recalling his father, trying to arrange a play date for his toddler grown son. I don't think BK knows how to relate to people. His colleagues, his students, his cohorts. He's a stare-er and that alone can be intense, creepy, invasive.

He'd be the weird guy in the corner, eating and drinking nothing, just looking at people, making everyone uncomfortable.

JMO

Yes true but autistic, neuro-diverse peoples of the world and hypervigilant PTSD folks too would like to point out that we aren't serial killers because quiet, observant, and don't have m/any friends and are isolated because life is challenging and overwhelming. People are unkind and being suspected of ulterior motives because 'staring' or 'not joining' is part of the bullying, sadly.

I know you know that already but felt obliged to say it out loud

 

[Megnut]

Yes true but autistic, neuro-diverse peoples of the world and hypervigilant PTSD folks too would like to point out that we aren't serial killers because quiet, observant, and don't have m/any friends and are isolated because life is challenging and overwhelming. People are unkind and being suspected of ulterior motives because 'staring' or 'not joining' is part of the bullying, sadly.

I know you know that already but felt obliged to say it out loud

So what makes BK different? What intervention, program, redirection could have modeled him differently. You're right, there are lots of being bearing countless diagnoses, disorders, unique-orders who might remain on the periphery but would never even think of hurting anyone else. I feel for his parents, who must have thought he finally launched, a PhD program, a job as a TA, living on his own. But he was brooding. Plotting. Planning.

And now four young adults are dead.

Sad really, that that's what he picked to aspire to.

Why, just why?

JMO

 

[GRT]

I think BK pursued criminal justice, in particular the criminal mind. Because he knew he had one.

JMO

Respectfully snipped for focus...

I've wondered that before. It's kind of a what came first, chicken-or-egg question.

Assuming he is the killer, was he drawn to studying the criminal mind because it fascinated him and he knew he was a killer? Or, did the study of the criminal mind awaken something deep and evil within him, and he finally reached the point where he could no longer control it?