4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #97

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  • #381
Imagine being responsible for getting BK off.

Glory among defense attorneys and the grief of the current and next victim's families would belong to you.
I don't see that happening honestly. AT is playing the hand of cards she was dealt. The PCA and subsequent searches will not be excluded IMO. She's trying to paint a picture of collusion between BP, LE, and FBI Experts when it was simply a fluid, fast moving case that progressed as additional information became available.

I found BP very credible and forthright on the stand. Bill Thompson wouldn't jeopardize such an important case by lying to obtain the PCA. IMO

AT is good at what she does as a defense lawyer, and BK is entitled to a vigorous and competent Defense under his Sixth Amendment Rights. This is a DP case, she is covering her bases for future appeals which will be automatic because of this.

JMO
 
  • #382
This is absolutely true--just for the purposes of this thread it needed to be pointed out that a Franks hearing does not necessarily mean there were false statements. It's not a fact that there were false statements simply because there's a Franks motion. Everything in the motions by the defense actually point to omissions not falsehoods, but we don't know what the exhibits contain and what they allege (and apparently the judge is having a hard time with this too lol).

I think the defense is probably throwing everything out there, even if it doesn't support Franks, and the order by the judge supports that. They put 100 pages of emails about the car in the exhibits but failed to explain how this supports their motion. The judge actually says this. If there is something there, they're going to have to come back and state it clearly for the judge. AT is too good of lawyer to risk not having the chance to do that by not doing that in the first place. To me, the footnote about the car is more indication that there's nothing there with the car than that there is. I'm sure they will use the discrepancy in court to try to create reasonable doubt with the jurors and that's totally fair and how it's usually done.
JMO

It really is primarily about the IGG. It's a case of first impression in Idaho. It hasn't been litigated there. It's their only shot at getting the warrants and the dna, which is everything to this case, thrown out. They need for the IGG to have led to the PCA so they can get the PCA thrown out. They're trying to do that two ways.

The IGG was omitted from the PCA and this omission was material to law enforcement obtaining the warrants. It's not enough to show it was omitted. They'll have to show warrants wouldn't have been obtained if the IGG had been included.

And the IGG is a violation of the 4th amendment, therefore any information contained in the warrants that came from the IGG should be excised, which they say is everything.

JMO
AT isn't going to be able to overturn the PCA and associated search warrants on IGG use under Constitutional rights in this case IMO. And not to beat a dead horse, but the year of the White Elantra being originally stated as 2011-2013 and then updated to include year models through 2016 is not nefarious or intentionally misleading, it's developing information as more surveillance and information became available.

IGG may be legislated and more regulated on its use in future cases, but not here and now where it was a legally accepted practice at the time of BK's arrest. It's being used all throughout the Country with amazing results, especially in solving cold cases.

JMO
 
  • #383
Bryan Kohberger's legal team was expected to attend a closed hearing remotely on Wednesday to present arguments to the judge on several motions.



12/11/2024
 
  • #384
Do you people think that the Kohberger Trial is going to happen?
 
  • #385
Do you people think that the Kohberger Trial is going to happen?
I believe that most here will say yes. Majority here apparently believe BK is guilty.

I am wondering. Why does AT have case schedule conflict on 1/23/25 with BK's case and another client? Not sure what to make of it.

After yesterday, I am expecting another hearing to be scheduled with the defense and prosecution which likely will not be public. We'll see what happens.

JMO.
 
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I believe that most here will say yes. Majority here apparently believe BK is guilty.

I am wondering. Why does AT have case schedule conflict on 1/23/25 with BK's case and another client? Not sure what to make of it.

After yesterday, I am expecting another hearing to be scheduled with the defense and prosecution which likely will not be public. We'll see what happens.

JMO.
BKs is scheduled for 9, the other hearing is scheduled for 2:30.
Are the hearings in the same building?
JHipp has scheduled two days (if needed) for the BKs 1/23 hearing. I expect it to last all day.

I agree about an additional hearing with both the P and D.

jmo
 
  • #388
"What courts have made resoundingly clear is whether a search warrant satisfies the particularity requirement depends on the facts and circumstances of the crime." And since

The Defendant was seeking an advanced degree in criminology and had studied cloud-based forensics prior to the crimes. /d. Page 12. Defendant had attempted to conceal his location during the time of the crimes /d. Page 16. Together, the above established probable cause to search for evidence of the Defendant's "plans, ("States Objection to Defendants Motion to Suppress (Apple)", pg. 12)
 

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"What courts have made resoundingly clear is whether a search warrant satisfies the particularity requirement depends on the facts and circumstances of the crime." And since
He turned his phone off is a reason to search his entire icloud account (from purchase to seizure)?

jmo
 
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BKs is scheduled for 9, the other hearing is scheduled for 2:30.
Are the hearings in the same building?
JHipp has scheduled two days (if needed) for the BKs 1/23 hearing. I expect it to last all day.

I agree about an additional hearing with both the P and D.

jmo
I think Mead is in Nez Perce which is 4.5 hours away from Boise.
 
  • #391
He turned his phone off is a reason to search his entire icloud account (from purchase to seizure)?
Not that he didn't, but when was it established he shut off his phone during the time of the murders?

That would be a significant development, no? This unbelievably misfortunate individual who was awake and driving aimlessly outdoors a vehicle similar in description to SV1, absent front licence plate, at 4:00 AM, during the time of the attack, whose DNA is later recovered on the protective covering to, or consistent with, the murder weapon, at the crime scene, for unknown reasons did shut off his phone during said timeframe.
 
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Thank you for your insight @wendy44 !
I definitely agree that the critical aspect is the omission of relevant facts, and even more so, exculpatory facts, not just some random background info about a witness and such.
As always in this case we the public always have the limitation that we can't access all the facts that both parties are referring to.
The current pretrial process feels like I'm reading good vs bad reviews of a book that hasn't come out yet. The reviewers might be reputable, and I can think they're likely right, but I can't fully make up my mind until I actually read the book itself.

@stemkb ,
ugh, why is it that they still won't just plainly state what it was: Phone off? Airplane mode? Faraday bag? Or what?
 
  • #393
Majority here apparently believe BK is guilty.

RSBM

The way I look at it, he is guilty as charged, or he's been framed - what other possibilities are there?

And I don't see anything to suggest he has been framed. The agreed facts are bad for him.

MOO
 
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Not that he didn't, but when was it established he shut off his phone during the time of the murders?

That would be a significant development, no? This unbelievably misfortunate individual who was awake and driving aimlessly outdoors a vehicle similar in description to SV1, absent front licence plate, at 4:00 AM, during the time of the attack, whose DNA is later recovered on the protective covering to, or consistent with, the murder weapon, at the crime scene, for unknown reasons did shut off his phone during said timeframe.
The D is challenging the basic facts used to obtain probable cause.
Turning his phone off is one of those basic facts used by BP according to the D.
jmo
 
  • #395
Without commenting on whether he did turn his phone off in suspicious ways, in my experience in recent years, digital blackouts are providing key circumstantial evidence against offenders because they do in fact turn their phones off or go into airplane mode when criming.

it really is the noob error that is replacing the previous noob error of taking your phone to the murder.
 
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Does anyone with legal knowledge think that it's normal to seal all those exhibits?
 
  • #397
Does anyone with legal knowledge think that it's normal to seal all those exhibits?
IANAL but it's been the norm in the Idaho 4 case, due to the gag order most of the juicy bits have been sealed.
 
  • #398
Does anyone with legal knowledge think that it's normal to seal all those exhibits?
Non dissemination order. Nothing is perfect but I really like that the case is being protected from public dissection until trial. On top of non D order, defense and prosecution have consistently stipulated sealing exhibits in the interests of fair trial.

Social media is a nightmare as it is for turning rumour into fact and contaminating sectors of the potential jury pool imo but so far this has to be one of the least circus like high profile cases around( in comparative terms,). Moo
 
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Without commenting on whether he did turn his phone off in suspicious ways, in my experience in recent years, digital blackouts are providing key circumstantial evidence against offenders because they do in fact turn their phones off or go into airplane mode when criming.

it really is the noob error that is replacing the previous noob error of taking your phone to the murder.

If he had his phone at his apartment, that would have been best. it would have looked like he was sleeping. But he didn't leave it there because I am not sure that he knew "this was the night".

But then he wouldn't have known how to return to Pullman in the round-about way he did to get back home.

That south to west to eat loop back to his apartment is also suspect. Especially turning his phone back on about 10 miles south of Moscow.

The prosecution will also have a lot of circumstantial evidence to sew together as a theme that will be very damning in my opinion.
 
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The D is challenging the basic facts used to obtain probable cause.
Turning his phone off is one of those basic facts used by BP according to the D.
jmo
The tower lost its connection to the phone at the edge of Pullman.
Regained it briefly south of Moscow after crime window.
The came back fully further south of Moscow and return to Pullman.

The tower's power did not fail so the loss of connection happened at the phone.

Turned off
Airplane mode
Faraday bag/same as off

Common denominator is human action performed on the phone to stop connection.
 
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