4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[mrjitty]

I am still to be convinced it matters if the IGG results caused them to update their assessment on the year. They had reason to do so, and were correct. How is this bad? What reason they had does not matter.

 

[cherrybier]

I believe DM's description of the man in the house is critical to the trial. It lead to BK becoming a person of interest because his license photo and licence descriptIon matched DM's stated features. And his car looked similar in the photos to the car they were searching for.

I believe DM will be called as an important witness who was on the scene. People who discover crime scenes are actually considered witnesses.

2 Cents

She will testify but the D can and will tear her testimony apart. They however need a delicate balance and not look like they're going too hard.

 

[cherrybier]

One thing I have often wondered about is why most opinions seem to be focused on the intended victims being MM and KG, and what evidence led/leads LE to think they were killed first,
Their appears to be no connection between BK and any of the victims, no stalking according to LE, so why the assumption they were his reason for going to the house,
I also am utterly confused as to why he went back into the house further away from his exit point if he killed MM and KG first, and if he killed XK and EC to get rid of possible witnesses why leave another witness alive, I can only suppose he didn't see her,
I am also very interested in the lighting inside the house, and if the people who discovered the bodies were the ones that opened the upstairs door in the room the dog was in,
So many questions I hope get answered at trial

There are so many questions. Many believe he was stalking the house, therefore he'd know who lived there and that he'd left two of them unharmed.

I think the only struggle was with X based on early rumblings of defensive wounds on her.

 

[Megnut]

The car date is an educated guess. In any investigation, information changes as more data/evidence comes in; investigations evolve with time, at they should. This idea that they miraculously got IGG back in two weeks, identified Kohberger, and then settled on the precise model year, is utter nonsense, unsupported by evidence and common sense.

Can you please cite a successful case where LE changed a key piece of their case after a potential suspect was identified? I don't follow that many cases and I haven't seen it lead to a conviction yet.

Can you please show me that this was the case here? You state this as fact.

A killer was able to massacre four people, slip into the night, and may have gotten away with it if not for a simple error. How is that not evidence of meticulous planing?

Bolding your last paragraph -- it does raise the question and might invite the exercise --

How did the murderer prepare? And where did he error?

How is it that there was virtually no useful DNA left behind (execpt, critically, on the sheath(? What might account for that?

Why did he drive his own vehicle? And why did he park near 1122?

Why was the sheath loose? Or did he have two? One in which he re-sheaved the bloody sheath and one left behind, as a signature, a bold expectation of future murders.

Did he doctor the Elantra? Obscure the license plate? Did he line the interior?

Did he step into or out of coveralls?

Did he prepare his own self? By showering, shaving. Taking steps to shed less, as it were.

I think he failed to anticipate individuals interfering with calculations. XK being awake. With an overnight guest. KG, home with her dog. DM, waking up. If not for that, he might have commit a single murder, at ninja speed, in and out in minutes, nearly impossible to solve.

I think we can break it down.

His meticulous planning, the things he actively did to protect himself; and where it all fell apart because of what he didn't plan for.

I figure he figured turning his phone off wouldn't be regrettable, didn't think LE would ever link him to the crime. He shares that genius with a lot of convicted criminals.

It will feature in his undoing. But nothing like leaving his DNA where he did.

It gave LE the starting point, combined with his vehicle caught in CCTV, to behind to trace his actions before and after, which reveal premeditation and consiousness of guilt both.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Red herring.

IMO the Defense is trying to stir the conspiracy pot, that it's somehow relevant when LE expanded the model years on the Elantra. Investigations aren't stagnant. They are ongoing and, if LE got new information today, it could adjust their theory.

In a recent case, LE had an image of a suspect vehicle but no suspect name to compare it to. Plus some eye witness testimony differing on make, model and color. Eventually a suspect was named (and in turn, rightfully convicted) and the far he owned aligned with the car in the video, a distinctive feature noted. In this case, it would be possible for LE to have been and remain wrong about the year and have it still be the suspect's car. It's also possible that after having a name and a car, LE could look at the CCTV and make out a distinctive feature they previously missed. I don't see how that's conspiratorial.

Being off by a couple model years or being within a range is not wildly inconsistent in my book. We're talking and subtle changes in design.

AT is swimming in the pool of fallacy.

LE didn't change the year to match the suspect.

If anything, the suspect's car gave them opportunity to review the CCTV to see if the suspect's car could be excluded.

That's where the match matters.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Let me ask you something. Let's say that they never found the sheath. Just as a hypothetical. What would they have done with the blood evidence?

IIUC, those samples didn't reach the threshold to be run through CODIS.

It's not that LE decided not to test them further. Protocol dictated.

I'm no DNA expert, but I suspect that, while analysis revealed male DNA, adequate profiles couldn't be developed. They didn't have  enough to run it through the data base.

Otherwise they still could, if only to shut down that line of argument from the Defense.

We may come to find that they were very degraded samples. We may come to find that the locations from which they were pulled, while sensible from a crime scene collection don't feature widely into the State's theory of the case, like if the sample came from a bathroom sink whereby there's no evidence the killer or killers entered that room.

IMO the State is adhering to the gaf order, is taking pains to preserve their case fir the Courtroom and is not engaging in correction to the Defense's now public representations.

The State isn't IMO sitting on two viable DNA threads which could point to BK's innocence or the identity of accomplices! There's no reason to do that! IMO they have degraded samples and/or from unrelated locations even if within the home and no further testing was indicated or possible.

At best it's a distraction exploited by the Defense to try to shift attending from the full single source profile pulled from the contact point of a sheath that very likely once housed the murder weapon and was recovered from beneath the body of one of four slain victims and which is a statistical match to the defendant into the octillions.

I am not distracted by the Defense. I expect it.

JMO

 

[jepop]

IIUC, those samples didn't reach the threshold to be run through CODIS.

It's not that LE decided not to test them further. Protocol dictated.

I'm no DNA expert, but I suspect that, while analysis revealed male DNA, adequate profiles couldn't be developed. They didn't have  enough to run it through the data base.

Otherwise they still could, if only to shut down that line of argument from the Defense.

We may come to find that they were very degraded samples. We may come to find that the locations from which they were pulled, while sensible from a crime scene collection don't feature widely into the State's theory of the case, like if the sample came from a bathroom sink whereby there's no evidence the killer or killers entered that room.

IMO the State is adhering to the gaf order, is taking pains to preserve their case fir the Courtroom and is not engaging in correction to the Defense's now public representations.

The State isn't IMO sitting on two viable DNA threads which could point to BK's innocence or the identity of accomplices! There's no reason to do that! IMO they have degraded samples and/or from unrelated locations even if within the home and no further testing was indicated or possible.

At best it's a distraction exploited by the Defense to try to shift attending from the full single source profile pulled from the contact point of a sheath that very likely once housed the murder weapon and was recovered from beneath the body of one of four slain victims and which is a statistical match to the defendant into the octillions.

I am not distracted by the Defense. I expect it.

JMO

All of the above! Spot on! I agree entirely. We know from MTC x3 hearing in Aug 2023 that the unknown males profiles in house, and one outside on a glove, didn't qualify for entry into CODIS. Moo but this was stated unambiguously by the state.

I agree P is holding case close to chest. They didn't orally rebut D' assertion that the omission of unknown profiles from PCA amounted to omission of exculpatory evidence. The judge shut that idea down almost immediately when raised. Moo, the D knew that the unknown samples were a dead end as far as Frank's and suppression of arrest warrant go. But I think it was a prime opportunity to introduce this irrelevant matter ( for the purposes of the hearing) to the public. Saying blood is like screaming Shark, lol!

We'll find out in due course what the story is with these samples, their condition, their level of degradation etc. However, we do already know that they are likely to be partial and ambiguous via Bicka Barlow, who addressed this specific item in the Aug 2023 MTC hearing and in her supporting affidavit. I've posted about that a few times, so not going to get sidetracked re the details atm.

Imo assertions that these unknown samples were ignored by the state are unsupported and incorrect. They weren't ignored. Only, we will hear the state's side at the appropriate time, moo possibly motions in limine or failing that the actual trial.

My opinion and conjecture: There was no reason other than an opportunity to disseminate the words 'blood" "unknown' and "male," to the public that these samples were even raised at the hearings.

 

[Boxer]

dbm

 

[DizzyB]

I mean if you're going to drive your own car to the murder and park right outside, probably a moot point to change your phone activity at that point tbh. He might as well left it on in his pocket, ha.

Red herring.

IMO the Defense is trying to stir the conspiracy pot, that it's somehow relevant when LE expanded the model years on the Elantra. Investigations aren't stagnant. They are ongoing and, if LE got new information today, it could adjust their theory.

In a recent case, LE had an image of a suspect vehicle but no suspect name to compare it to. Plus some eye witness testimony differing on make, model and color. Eventually a suspect was named (and in turn, rightfully convicted) and the far he owned aligned with the car in the video, a distinctive feature noted. In this case, it would be possible for LE to have been and remain wrong about the year and have it still be the suspect's car. It's also possible that after having a name and a car, LE could look at the CCTV and make out a distinctive feature they previously missed. I don't see how that's conspiratorial.

Being off by a couple model years or being within a range is not wildly inconsistent in my book. We're talking and subtle changes in design.

AT is swimming in the pool of fallacy.

LE didn't change the year to match the suspect.

If anything, the suspect's car gave them opportunity to review the CCTV to see if the suspect's car could be excluded.

That's where the match matters.

JMO

If the IGG evidence remains, the defense really has nothing to counter with. Could a juror be mad that the FBI found the murderer through a somewhat shady process? Maybe, but he is still the murderer.

As to the year of the car, c’mon. I can’t remember the year of my car. Grainy footage from the middle of the night that shows a little white car, at this point I would love to see the differences between the model years. Are they that far off?

 

[Arkay]

As to the year of the car, c’mon. I can’t remember the year of my car. Grainy footage from the middle of the night that shows a little white car, at this point I would love to see the differences between the model years. Are they that far off?

If I recall correctly, there were some minor differences. I’m not a car aficionado but maybe it was a slightly different shape.

Certainly not enough to throw out a white Elantra that is essentially the same except for some tweaks.

As you said, it’s grainy, middle of the night footage of a car in motion.

The defense acts as though the car was in a showroom, stationary under bright lights, with detectives going over it with a magnifying glass.

The essentials are the same and IMO, the investigation did a heroic job nailing down the proper vehicle, fleeing in the wee hours of the morning.

JMO

 

[CKS]

Yep, the whole case hinges on DM's testimony, right???

All MOO

I'd imagine BF's testimony as well. The same BF that the defense claim has exculpatory evidence for BK.


MOO

 

[schooling]

When it becomes evidence, then it's evidence. But the definition of evidence is very different from the definition of information.

The fact that BK lives in Pullman is information. It is not evidence. BK's DNA on the sheath is evidence.

MOO.

If BK lived in Alaska at the time of the murders would that be evidence of his innocence?

Will prosecturos spend time at the trials establishing BK’s residency in Pullman and establishing his whereabouts leading up to and at the time of the murders?

Of course his location is evidence.

Sounds like we’re just splitting hairs and conflating exihibits with evidence at this point if I’m being honest. And with that standard there are likely millions of people who deserve more trials.

Testimony is legally submitted and people are bearing witness to whatever they are testifying to. That’s evidence.

MOO

 

[schooling]

And this case is not a slam dunk. It’s a reverse 360 alley oop slam dunk, IMO.

The only way it could be any stronger is if it was captured on video or directly witnessed by a crowd of people.

 

[CKS]

They are talking about what she heard, what she saw helped LE identify BK from his drivers license photo and license description. Her description fit BK to the point he could not be ruled out and made him become a suspect or person of interest.

And that's a fact Jack.

2 Cents

All MOO

didn't they reveal the other day that DM couldn't identify BK when she was shown his picture?


2 cents

 

[Nila Aella]

All MOO

didn't they reveal the other day that DM couldn't identify BK when she was shown his picture?


2 cents

Yes.
I think that refers to this part in the PCA
D.M. did not state that she recognized the male

And according to AJ, her description was skinny slim and lean. Throughout the entire investigation.

How did that change to
not very muscular, but athletically built
in the PCA

JMO

 

[CKS]

JMO, that is why I don't think it will come up in trial. I have not seen/read anything that confirms it was his print. Unless you have a link where it has been confirmed? Another interesting area I look forward to during the trial.

All MOO

It will most certainly come up in trial b/c a 'latent footprint' indicates someone may have tried to clean up the footprints.

Not sure if there's anything to it or not but imo it will certainly be brought up.

 

[mickey2942]

And this case is not a slam dunk. It’s a reverse 360 alley oop slam dunk, IMO.

The only way it could be any stronger is if it was captured on video or directly witnessed by a crowd of people.

Which is exactly what we all thought about Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson. Just to name two "slam dunk" cases that came to me.

 

[Justice101]

Which is exactly what we all thought about Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson. Just to name two "slam dunk" cases that came to me.

OJ Simpson was about the time that DNA evidence was jsut being used and was "a little over the heads" of the jury that was ultimately selected. Overly technical presentation. Also ,major police corruption (what was the detective's name: Mark Furman???) in the investigation doomed that one. And OJ was a celebrity.

Casey Anthony was another head scratcher I agree.

This one seems more straight forward.. .but what do I know? I think there is still a 5% chance he is not convicted.

 

[Jade]

She opened the door again and saw "a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person's mouth and nose walking towards her."

She told investigators she saw a male, athletic but not muscular, about 5 feet, 10 inches tall, with "busy eyebrows," Payne wrote in the affidavit.

Bryan Kohberger case: Footprint found inside Idaho crime scene could help cops build case

The footprint found inside the Idaho home where a Ph.D. criminal justice student allegedly stabbed four University of Idaho undergrads to death could help police build their case beyond the initial probable cause affidavit, experts say.

www.fox29.com

all imo

 

[arielilane]

The last two hearings really bothered me… much of the first one closed to the public, but …

In today’s social media world of true crime’s high profile cases, it’s all too common for influencers and some of the YouTube lawyers to create havoc, change up the narrative, sway public opinion, spreading misinformation, in order to taint the jury pool, in favor of defendant.

It’s a money grab.

How strong the influencer culture is toward a jury trial
Control narrative
Seek an aquittal
Doesnt matter if its ethical
Morals need not be a requirement
"Buy me a coffee”
Ill give you conspiracy, corruption, bad police work, push whatever agenda necessary
Court fillings dont have to be truthful

Even if theres been poor police work gathering of evidence or whatever the case may be it still doesnt mean the defendant is innocent (of course they are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law)

Deflection
It’s big money, lots of money... clicks, views, likes are needed and we continue on...
It’s how they choose to make their living
A defendant is a defendant for a reason

I hope the BK case does not follow into the influencers’ rabbit hole and only truth prevails… no case will be perfect but common sense and simple truth and evidence will reveal the guilty party.


only an opinion- moo