4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[INfisherman]

Those 6 words did strike a chime & are quite nice to repeat.

"Could I possibly have committed close to the perfect crime yet 11 skin cells be one of the most contributing factors towards my conviction?"

"Every day & twice on Sunday."

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I've been thinking about the FBI and the use of unconventional genealogy outfits. Keeping in mind that the State never conceded to law breaking, the issue of course is that not everybody on these sites has opted in, but here's the rub -- 1. if enough customers opt in, a family tree will form regardless of the number who opt out. They won't be included. 2. even if the FBI had the ability to wink, wink, nudge, nudge get the company to toggle the switch real quick like and opt those people in to give the FBI a sneaky peek, the violation would be between the company and those individuals. Where would BK have ANY standing in that? Even the FBI, while some might question their eagerness and participation in such a sketchy enterprise, it remains the domain of the company, violating their own terms of service, assuming it's not embedded in their fine print's ultra fine print already.

Interestingly, by my maths, if BK himself submitted his own DNA to one such company and opted the hell out, and the FBI got a direct match anyway, IMO BK, as a civilian might have a case against the company but it would be a civil one. BK, the defendant in a criminal trial, zero standing. But it's immaterial anyway, as I understand the evidence at this point. The FBI didn't match the DNA from the crime scene to BK's DNA as logged into a popular genealogy database, opted in or out. It matched to a relative, providing a family name. And we don't know which company or companies provided that match. And frankly, why wouldn't LE submit his DNA to as many as possible? It's a brilliant investigative tool!

You'd think a criminology scholar would know as much.

But BK thought he could outsmart everyone.

Oh, snap.

JMO

 

[wendy44]

If BK bought the knife or any knife on Amazon for that matter this would have been over long ago in my opinion. Personally, I wouldn't bet on him ever buying a kbar from Amazon.

Snipped by me--how would it be over? Do you mean a plea deal? The defense is going to try to get all the warrants/evidence thrown out on 4th Amendment before they even think about a plea deal.
JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Snipped by me--how would it be over? Do you mean a plea deal? The defense is going to try to get all the warrants/evidence thrown out on 4th Amendment before they even think about a plea deal.
JMO

IIUC the plea deal would be a last resort, after all attempts at throwing out the most damning of evidence fail. It’s legally tapping out & a way for a guilty murderer to avoid DP.

MOO

 

[rogue ant]

3. There's literally blood DNA evidence of up to TWO other perps.

RSBM.

Why are you labeling them as "perps"? We don't even know who they are, when or why they were in the house.

 

[Megnut]

RSBM.

Why are you labeling them as "perps"? We don't even know who they are, when or why they were in the house.

Or where the blood was found or in what condition.

IMO AT knows it's irrelevant.

JMO

 

[Sundog]

New information in Bryan Kohberger case to be made public

The court plans to release redacted transcripts from the closed portion of a hearing in the Bryan Kohberger case.

www.newsweek.com

The defense and prosecution both have two weeks to submit to the judge their requested redactions to the transcript, and give the reason(s) for the requested redactions.

 

[GOBliaison]

All MOO

If the footage was good we'd know for sure the car. The fact that the video they have is so bad or should I say questionable that a FBI EXPERT might have gotten the wrong year should tell you they don't have solid video of his car in my opinion.

If BK bought the knife or any knife on Amazon for that matter this would have been over long ago in my opinion. Personally, I wouldn't bet on him ever buying a kbar from Amazon. *

I also still think all the Amazon talk may be in regards to the Amazon fire stick LE found in BK's apartment.


Just my opinion.

* A pressie from da-da ?
Perhaps?​

... & sooo...I submit:
It ought not be insurmountable to breeze through father's credit card statements. And to do so for as far back as LE may care to keep some intern out of trouble. Investigations - good ones certainly - are plodding.
I use "breezing" inasmuch as ~99% of the billed transactions - abbreviated as they may be - will nonetheless impress a scanner - intern or no - that "K-Bars 'r Us" is not likely that sales point's stock-in-trade.
As well, may we not concede that dad is not likely himself to come forward with this circumstantial evidentiary gem? Of course he would not. At present anyway. LE would have to "refresh his recollection" and encourage him to do so. Such a fortuitous happenstance should be pursued. No Fourth Amendment gobbledegook in such a setting either, as a gifting criminal, (ala 'Bad Santa?'), he would not be.
Closing and appreciating your patience, let me offer that "dads stay dads; moms stay moms"; I can actually envision how Bryan's father might feel, "...and I'm still a good one, dammit", seeing his child's smile, however thin, break through a characteristically serious visage. Looking up. Taking this gift up in his hands.

 

[Megnut]

Another thing that confirms for me that BK is responsible for these murders -- AT is doing exactly what I'd expect a defense attorney to do when she has nothing else she can do.

BK could shut this all down. Plead guilty like some defendants sometimes do.

Apparently he doesn't want to.

Does he think AT can get him off? Does he even care? I suspect BK thinks about things and cares about things in ways that are very different than the ways most people do. I don't want to stare into the abyss but I can't help but to wonder what his internal dialogue sounds like. I rather imagine him, in the courtroom at least, grading everyone's performance -- and true to form, not giving out any high grades. Find me a hundred people. They all probably bore him.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Another thing that confirms for me that BK is responsible for these murders -- AT is doing exactly what I'd expect a defense attorney to do when she has nothing else she can do.

BK could shut this all down. Plead guilty like some defendants sometimes do.

Apparently he doesn't want to.

Does he think AT can get him off? Does he even care? I suspect BK thinks about things and cares about things in ways that are very different than the ways most people do. I don't want to stare into the abyss but I can't help but to wonder what his internal dialogue sounds like. I rather imagine him, in the courtroom at least, grading everyone's performance -- and true to form, not giving out any high grades. Find me a hundred people. They all probably bore him.

JMO

Kind of eerily similar to how Richard Allen has been throughout the course of his trial also, isn’t it?

I wonder if these two do this sort of thing as a way to try & continue to control the narrative? A way for them to prevent the families from having full closure, at least in the accused’s mind.

Allen had to maintain control over what people thought. BK has to be right.

MOO

 

[LinasK]

All MOO

One theory I've heard is that in part of the world people put their trash into baggies b/c of the bears. Who knows if it's true or not.

In CA in areas where there are bears present, at least in Lake Tahoe, they have bear-proof trash cans that they can't open with their claws, instead of telling people to bag their trash. You have to actually press the latch of the heavy metal lid in with several fingers, then pull it up to open it.

 

[LinasK]

All MOO

The sheath is not a murder weapon. We also assume a kbar was used but we do not know for sure.

We also do not know who the sheath actually belonged to. For all we know it may have been one of the roommates.

This is the type of reasonable doubt which will and should be used by the defense.

I realize some of you have already made up your mind that BK is guilty but we still have a long way to go and the prosecution better have a lot more on BK otherwise I'm afraid he'll get off.

All MOO

No, but it's as good of evidence as one. It's like the holster of a gun. It was used to hold the murder weapon. There's no good reason for Kolhberger's knife sheath to be at the immediate crime scene, since he's claiming he was never at the house, never attended one of their parties. It's as if he dropped his cell phone there, which criminals also accidentally do. We do know it was his because his DNA was found on the snap, and they know that he purchased one on Amazon.

 

[LinasK]

Surely he had more than one murder weapon. Back up. In case things go awry, right?

I'm trying to understand a thought process where he thinks one knife in one hand and the sheath in the other is a solid game plan.

Why wasn't that sheath secured?

Possible explanations:

1. It was. But it came loose.
2. It was a calling card he intended to leave behind. I wonder of its placement lends itself to one theory or another. Does it look somehow like it was lost in the slaughter or left with purpose?
3. Killer was overconfident. Lost control of the situation and his sheath.

Assuming he left it there accidentally, what was his plan for not leaving it behind?

If he left it purposefully, hoping to become the feared Marine Murderer or somesuch, was it left where it was as part of a one-two, practiced ninja maneuver? Slip the knife from the sheath, slide it under the body, stab/slice the victim, all part of one vicious move?

Except for the missed DNA, this would have been a very different crime IMO if KG (and Murphy) hadn't been there and XK hadn't been awake, two (three) things I think BK missed in his reconnaissance.

Without them, DM would not have been alerted. There'd be no eye witness, no independent time stamping, no vehicle speeding away. And possibly no sheath accidentally left behind.

One victim, murdered in bed, with militaryesque precision.

Who knows what would follow. BK moves to another community with a sister city and another coed falls to the knife. Serial killer takes form....

Instead BK fails at his first attempt. Sloppy massacre, mass murderer because he lost control of his own narrative. A reactive mess, leaving a trail of victims because he hadn't factored for the unforeseen.

Just one more thing BK bottoms out of.

JMO

I'm going with #1 or #3. I don't think he intended or realized that he lost the sheath there. Matthew Muller of the Gone Girl case- Vallejo PD was finally caught when he dropped his cell phone at the scene of one of his crimes. If he intended to leave it as a calling card, the defense wouldn't be fighting so hard to exclude his DNA. I think it was an "Oops!"

 

[LinasK]

We do not know for sure if a kbar was used. Is it likely? Yes, it's highly likely but for now we only assume it was a kbar.

I will wait to hear what the forensic experts have to say to confirm that it was. But you know the defense is going to try and raise reasonable doubt without the actual murder weapon ever being found.

Locating the murder weapon is a bonus for prosecution, but not necessary. Some crimes are done without weapons, like strangulation, drowning, pushing someone off a cliff. They are still prosecuted.

 

[Charlot123]

A baggie would do nothing. And people who live in bear country should know that.

Sometime, when you feel like watching something cute, you should look up the place where the bad bears go. Rather than shooting nuisance bears, they get sent to a place where they get to endurance test garbage bins forever. It's the perfect solution.
MOO

No the baggie is not for the bear. Although raccoons used to get in our thrash cans, or try, at least.

The first thing i'd do if i see a guy dividing thrash, bagging it and putting neighbors' bins would be to ask how much does recycling in the area cost? In our country, it depends on the town. Options are: free and included with garbage, per weight or per volume. We are more lucky than a town nearby: per weight may be expensive. In the second case, i imagine some miser trying to save on recycling. But I haven't checked BK's homestead yet.

Another explanation would be BK relapsing on drugs and not wanting parents to see syringes in own bins. I can imagine keeping them somewhere (in his room or car), and at night, getting rid by "distributing" between the bins. That could explain latex gloves and overall odd behavior.

 

[LinasK]

Anything is possible, but the DNA thing makes perfect sense. He'd obviously be very familiar with DNA, and it would have factored into his murder plot (minimizing that type of evidence).

Perhaps he thought if they didn't obtain his DNA, they'd reach a dead end. Of course not realizing that familial DNA would be just as effective in obtaining an arrest warrant.

Yeah, I watched a case where the guy went to the local post office to drop off his trash to avoid DNA detection, but he didn't know that they had him on surveillance cameras doing that.

 

[INfisherman]

Yeah, I watched a case where the guy went to the local post office to drop off his trash to avoid DNA detection, but he didn't know that they had him on surveillance cameras doing that.

Smart move.

Take the evidence you’re trying to hide to a government agency, the U.S. Postal Service, so they can save the FBI some gas money & just mail all the evidence straight to the FBI. A dumb but frugal criminal, with the environment in mind as well!

MOO

 

[Boxer]

MOO

The other scenario is it's not his sheath and one of the roommates.

What?

 

[jepop]

What?

I know. As if LE wouldn't have immediately established no one owned a kbar or sheathe in the house. And as if the defense would not have got it into a motion re the DNA on the snap, if it had been discovered one of the housemates owned the sheathe. Jmo

ETA and as if LE would have applied for all those warrants re knife purchases if one of the housemates was found to be the owner of the sheathe.

 

[iamshadow21]

RSBM
But he didn't set out to attack 4 people, "only" one, it is believed. The other 3 just got in the way.

That isn't universally believed.

I don't believe that, for example.

MOO