4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[Boxer]

Honestly do we know if he was a suspect?
Indiana says, no. The Feds said they didn't intentionally stop him in Indiana.

We really never know all the details of these cases, why and how someone became a suspect. It shouldn't be an Elantra because the "specialist" misread the year, so it must have been something else, methinks.

So I can't discount the fact that in Indiana they were merely stopping the cars with out-of-state license plates, either. And whatever information came about BK, came when he was in PA. It could be so that he felt that he was followed or observed. He has visual snow but PA is his home, he may notice things better there, after all.

Nothing else makes any logical sense. If they suspected him in ID/WA, they'd arrest him there. If they suspected him in Indiana, don't tell me that the Feds and the LE allowed a killer of four people to peacefully drive to PA. Just did two road checks, and in the meantime, BK and dad were visiting Thai food places, etc.? But in PA they suddenly broke into his house, SWAT and all, didn't we see the newspaper pictures of how the parents' house looked afterwards?

I bet whatever information they got came when he was in PA.

The were publicly appealing for the Elantra before it was identified by WSU Pullman police.
That car would bring you into frame for evaluation.

 

[SortaSleuthy]

MOO
Knife sheaths are designed to be worn on a belt. If BK had worn it on his belt it wouldn’t have been left behind with his DNA. He likely had the sheath in his pocket or in his off-hand. Why?

I’ve only been able to come up with one reason. He failed to do a full dry run. He likely used a zipped Hazmat suit, which don’t have a belt. That night, when he got dressed he put the hazmat suit on and realized that the knife on his belt was inside the suit. So, he put it in a hazmat pocket.

Is this likely what happened?

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Honestly do we know if he was a suspect?
Indiana says, no. The Feds said they didn't intentionally stop him in Indiana.

We really never know all the details of these cases, why and how someone became a suspect. It shouldn't be an Elantra because the "specialist" misread the year, so it must have been something else, methinks.

So I can't discount the fact that in Indiana they were merely stopping the cars with out-of-state license plates, either. And whatever information came about BK, came when he was in PA. It could be so that he felt that he was followed or observed. He has visual snow but PA is his home, he may notice things better there, after all.

Nothing else makes any logical sense. If they suspected him in ID/WA, they'd arrest him there. If they suspected him in Indiana, don't tell me that the Feds and the LE allowed a killer of four people to peacefully drive to PA. Just did two road checks, and in the meantime, BK and dad were visiting Thai food places, etc.? But in PA they suddenly broke into his house, SWAT and all, didn't we see the newspaper pictures of how the parents' house looked afterwards?

I bet whatever information they got came when he was in PA.

They arrested him once they had the DNA match to his father which came from their trash as far as I am aware, and that would've been the PC they needed for the arrest warrant.
They didn't have enough for a warrant in Idaho, but he was their suspect, which I believe is why he was under surveillance in Pennsylvania. Didnt they had eyes on him the whole time he was in PA?

We have no way of knowing if the traffic stops were coincidence or not, but either way I think they tipped him over the edge because as soon as he knew he left the sheath, and they were appealing for white Elantra's he knew he was in borrowed time. JMO

 

[SortaSleuthy]

MOO
Knife sheaths are designed to be worn on a belt. If BK had worn it on his belt it wouldn’t have been left behind with his DNA. He likely had the sheath in his pocket or in his off-hand. Why?

I’ve only been able to come up with one reason. He failed to do a full dry run. He likely used a zipped Hazmat suit, which don’t have belt loops. That night, when he got dressed he put the hazmat suit on and realized that the knife on his belt was inside the suit. So, he put it in a hazmat pocket.

Is this likely what happened?

 

[Boxer]

MOO
Knife sheaths are designed to be worn on a belt. If BK had worn it on his belt it wouldn’t have been left behind with his DNA. He likely had the sheath in his pocket or in his off-hand. Why?

I’ve only been able to come up with one reason. He failed to do a full dry run. He likely used a zipped Hazmat suit, which don’t have a belt. That night, when he got dressed he put the hazmat suit on and realized that the knife on his belt was inside the suit. So, he put it in a hazmat pocket.

Is this likely what happened?

Either he did't know nothing stays in coveralls if you have to exert yourself (not blue collar)

Or he thought one woman no problems. (Incel-ish)

 

[jepop]

Bryan’s DNA was there. Even if it’s just 11 skin cells—-he was there, with his finger on the snap of the sheath. Under a body.

Snipped. Sorry, I was posting about this a bit earlier. Where on earth is this 11 cells number coming from? I can't locate a source from the latest hearings or anywhere else. It was asserted in one post a ways back but not sourced.

So just making note of that again. Imo this number is rumour/false info. Not blaming you as I know this number originally comes from a post on this actual thread, but it is not confirmed by the known facts in the case. Jmo

 

[Charlot123]

They arrested him once they had the DNA match to his father which came from their trash as far as I am aware, and that would've been the PC they needed for the arrest warrant.
They didn't have enough for a warrant in Idaho, but he was their suspect, which I believe is why he was under surveillance in Pennsylvania. Didnt they had eyes on him the whole time he was in PA?

We have no way of knowing if the traffic stops were coincidence or not, but either way I think they tipped him over the edge because as soon as he knew he left the sheath, and they were appealing for white Elantra's he knew he was in borrowed time. JMO

Makes sense. About the traffic stops, who knows whether they were international or just curious Hoosier cops having nothing to do? It will remain a question

 

[Gigiky]

I have thought before that maybe BK left behind the DNA on the snap before he even committed the murders. Like maybe when he first got the sheath and knife he was testing how sharp the knife was and accidently cut his self and got some blood of the sheath and thought he cleaned it good. I did this very stupid thing after sharping some kitchen knifes.( I know. Not real smart).But I did it. Just a thought.

 

[jepop]

Blood on a staircase bannister containing unknown DNA near 2 bedrooms where 4 victims were stabbed is not relevant????

But instead, 11 skin cells from touch DNA is more relevant????

JMO.

BBM. Please provide a link ( time stamp if latest hearings) to support your assertion re number of skin cells on sheathe snap button.

 

[Megnut]

I have thought before that maybe BK left behind the DNA on the snap before he even committed the murders. Like maybe when he first got the sheath and knife he was testing how sharp the knife was and accidently cut his self and got some blood of the sheath and thought he cleaned it good. I did this very stupid thing after sharping some kitchen knifes.( I know. Not real smart).But I did it. Just a thought.

I think you're spot on.

He bought the weapon IMO when the crime was but a fantasy. Took some force to snap and unsnap the sheath.

I'm thinking he cleaned the knife and sheath before leaving him that night but didn't even consider the crevices -- or didn't get in there well enough with his cleaning agent.

Missed the celling point.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Makes sense. About the traffic stops, who knows whether they were international or just curious Hoosier cops having nothing to do? It will remain a question

Agree. After Delphi any amount of police, any incompetence by Indiana police would not be surprising...such as being advised that a suspect was passing though and takingbit upon themselves to STOP the suspect.
2x:
First by a sheriff's deputy.
Second by IN State Police,
just out of curiosity.

 

[Cool Cats]

I didn't dispute that. I said that information does not equal evidence. Not all information is evidence and in this case, just based on what's been released to the public, very little of the information is actual evidence.

MOO.

Sounds like this is both alot of information and alot of evidence.

AT mentioned 400 witnesses but then lowered that amount.

Latah County Deputy Prosecutor Ashley Jennings said prosecution has given the defense a 50-terabyte hard drive, more than 13,000 photographs, more than 15,000 video clips from businesses and more than 8,000 video clips from residences. She claimed that the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office have not given prosecution all of the evidence the defense is requesting.

Moscow Police Det. Brett Payne was called to the witness stand by the defense. He testified that thousands of hours of surveillance footage were collected during the investigation into Kohberger. The videos came from 79 businesses and residences.

Anne Taylor asked for documents pertaining to Kohberger’s cellphone location data,
the determinations a forensic analyst made about the make and model of the suspect’s vehicle,
training schedules for three Idaho State Police officers involved in the investigation,
body and dashcam footage related to the search warrant at Kohberger's Pennsylvania residence,
lab testing results,
notes and recordings from the Moscow Police Department,
all police reports and audio/video evidence related to Kohberger's arrest and detainment in Pennsylvania.

Hundreds of pages of redacted warrants and warrant returns,
Latah County prosecutor case filings,
records from some of the biggest companies in social media,
shopping store records,
banking records,
telecommunications records.

Search warrants to AT&T,
Verizon Wireless,
T-Mobile,
Inland Cellular — a regional carrier that operates in north-central Idaho and southeastern Washington,
history of all the devices that pinged cell towers within a half-mile radius of the Moscow home and
defense received the bulk of the data within just a couple of days and began to pore over the GPS coordinates of cellphones and other devices on the nearby networks,
Taylor questioned a Moscow police detective about the preparation of visual cell phone logs and methods for searching for certain videos.

Cell phone tower and radio frequency experts to partially corroborate his proposed alibi that he was out driving west of Moscow.

The judge allowed surveys conducted with potential jurors to continue “without modification” after temporarily pausing them,
timeline of how police began to focus on Kohberger,
the judge ruled to allow unnamed “defense investigators” to view the genetic genealogy evidence.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271694187.html

cellphone records can provide someone’s estimated location, they can’t pinpoint an individual’s exact location.

The missing Bryan Kohberger evidence that could make or break the trial

The murder weapon has never been found but police are relying on other evidence

www.newsweek.com

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271694187.html#storylink=cpy

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[BeginnerSleuther]

Sounds like this is both alot of information and alot of evidence.

AT mentioned 400 witnesses but then lowered that amount.

Latah County Deputy Prosecutor Ashley Jennings said prosecution has given the defense a 50-terabyte hard drive, more than 13,000 photographs, more than 15,000 video clips from businesses and more than 8,000 video clips from residences. She claimed that the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office have not given prosecution all of the evidence the defense is requesting.

Moscow Police Det. Brett Payne was called to the witness stand by the defense. He testified that thousands of hours of surveillance footage were collected during the investigation into Kohberger. The videos came from 79 businesses and residences.

Anne Taylor asked for documents pertaining to Kohberger’s cellphone location data,
the determinations a forensic analyst made about the make and model of the suspect’s vehicle,
training schedules for three Idaho State Police officers involved in the investigation,
body and dashcam footage related to the search warrant at Kohberger's Pennsylvania residence,
lab testing results,
notes and recordings from the Moscow Police Department,
all police reports and audio/video evidence related to Kohberger's arrest and detainment in Pennsylvania.

Hundreds of pages of redacted warrants and warrant returns,
Latah County prosecutor case filings,
records from some of the biggest companies in social media,
shopping store records,
banking records,
telecommunications records.

Search warrants to AT&T,
Verizon Wireless,
T-Mobile,
Inland Cellular — a regional carrier that operates in north-central Idaho and southeastern Washington,
history of all the devices that pinged cell towers within a half-mile radius of the Moscow home and
defense received the bulk of the data within just a couple of days and began to pore over the GPS coordinates of cellphones and other devices on the nearby networks,
Taylor questioned a Moscow police detective about the preparation of visual cell phone logs and methods for searching for certain videos.

Cell phone tower and radio frequency experts to partially corroborate his proposed alibi that he was out driving west of Moscow.

The judge allowed surveys conducted with potential jurors to continue “without modification” after temporarily pausing them,
timeline of how police began to focus on Kohberger,
the judge ruled to allow unnamed “defense investigators” to view the genetic genealogy evidence.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271694187.html

cellphone records can provide someone’s estimated location, they can’t pinpoint an individual’s exact location.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271694187.html#storylink=cpy

2 Cents

Yes, discovery entails showing your work. That includes evidence AND non-evidence. Dead ends are all in there, investigative theories that didn't pan out are in there, leads that suggest alternative theories along with reasons those theories weren't pursued are in there, the process by which they narrowed their scope is in there, the investigation into "food truck guy" and why he was eliminated as a suspect is in there, the interviews with friends and romantic partners of the victims along with reasons they weren't suspects is in there. So again, none of the above contradicts what I said. While it is true that they shared 50-terabyte hard drive, more than 13,000 photographs, more than 15,000 video clips from businesses and more than 8,000 video clips from residences, it does not mean that the 50-terabyte hard drive, more than 13,000 photographs, more than 15,000 video clips from businesses and more than 8,000 video clips from residences was all evidence against BK.

MOO.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, discovery entails showing your work. That includes evidence AND non-evidence. Dead ends are all in there, investigative theories that didn't pan out are in there, leads that suggest alternative theories along with reasons those theories weren't pursued are in there, the process by which they narrowed their scope is in there, the investigation into "food truck guy" and why he was eliminated as a suspect is in there, the interviews with friends and romantic partners of the victims along with reasons they weren't suspects is in there. So again, none of the above contradicts what I said. While it is true that they shared 50-terabyte hard drive, more than 13,000 photographs, more than 15,000 video clips from businesses and more than 8,000 video clips from residences, it does not mean that the 50-terabyte hard drive, more than 13,000 photographs, more than 15,000 video clips from businesses and more than 8,000 video clips from residences was all evidence against BK.

MOO.

I agree, certainly not all will be considered evidence but I think there is plenty of evidence to show a jury and they will decide what weight to give it. Enough for reasonable doubt? Not enough for reasonable doubt?

Juries are unpredictable and I just hope justice prevails.

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[INfisherman]

But if that was the case, there would be 2 DNA profiles on the sheath and there was only 1

No worries, the only person I could imagine the "smartest man in the room except when he’s holding a sheath" shaking hands with would be himself.

MOO

 

[Charlot123]

But if that was the case, there would be 2 DNA profiles on the sheath and there was only 1

Well, it depends on the hands.

(Shaking hands firmly.) The other person has sweaty hands and skin that sheds. You have dry but not too shedding skin. So basically, having shaken such a hand, and immediately grabbing a knife handle, you may leave on the knife exactly what was on top of your palm. Namely, the other person's DNA and sweat.
This is probably the situation of 1/5 cases mentioned in the article. The knife has many DNA profiles, but one "predominates."

I remember that in another case, we were explained that "touch DNA" was not relevant.

Assuming that four people were killed by one and not all were sleeping (at least Xana was not), i would be interested to see if another DNA profile was isolated from the blood.

 

[Charlot123]

The were publicly appealing for the Elantra before it was identified by WSU Pullman police.
That car would bring you into frame for evaluation.

Yes, but wasn't there some mistake with the year, though?

Idaho Killings Suspect Got New License Plate 5 Days After Murders (Published 2023)

Records show that the suspect’s Hyundai Elantra got a new registration in Washington State shortly after four students at the University of Idaho were murdered.

www.nytimes.com

The Idaho police was looking for 2011-2013 Elantra. BK had 2015 model. Not sure if they zoomed in on his car.

 

[Cool Cats]

All MOO

Hopefully the defense doesn't cite the following study...

"Our DNA can easily be transferred from item to item or from one location to another, even if we never touched the item ourselves or were never at the scene of the crime. One study showed that after two people shook hands and then each handled a separate knife, in 85% of cases, the DNA of the other person was transferred to the knife and profiled. In one-fifth of the samples, the DNA analysis identified this other person as the main or only contributor of DNA to the weapon."

Forensic Genetic Genealogy Searches: What Defense Attorneys & Policy Makers Need to Know

Has nothing to do with this case, this study was the transfer of DNA to knives not knife SHEATHS.
2 separate items.

BK's DNA was on the snap. A snap snaps shut. I doubt BK snapped open the snap and then let someone else play with the snap. Not reasonable in my opinion.

 

[Boxer]

Yes, but wasn't there some mistake with the year, though?

Idaho Killings Suspect Got New License Plate 5 Days After Murders (Published 2023)

Records show that the suspect’s Hyundai Elantra got a new registration in Washington State shortly after four students at the University of Idaho were murdered.

www.nytimes.com

The Idaho police was looking for 2011-2013 Elantra. BK had 2015 model. Not sure if they zoomed in on his car.

The models are virtually identical, and yes the agent blew it -apparently not realizing how many years the model was manufactured.

 

[jepop]

The models are virtually identical, and yes the agent blew it -apparently not realizing how many years the model was manufactured.

It's all good. The agent can easily explain his work process and thought process on the stand at trial. Nothing to see here imo. The jury will get it. Not going to fall for no conspiratorial innuendo. Jmo.