Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #199

[mpnola]

If he’s been waiting there, lurking for some time… Why? Does he know they’re coming? If so, why not just take them down the hill right away when they arrive?

He goes out onto the bridge. Is he scouting the other side? If so, he sees RA on the first platform. It isn’t safe. And he’s leaving his intended victims unattended. Can he be sure they’re unsuspecting? The constraints on their flight are not physical.

Not buying. I know about other lines of evidence. I can see the outline of RA’s Sig printing through BG’s jacket pocket. I can do Occam’s Razor.

This is just my opinion and thoughts. Wr have had way too long thinking about our own thoughts, haven't we?!?! Hahah

He was seen and admits to being on the bridge platform. I actually think he left and was following the lady who saw him when he passed Abby and libby. He then decided to change direction and go after them. Why do I say this? Because he is not in the photo libby took of abby. She took photos each way and he was not on the bridge yet. I think he let them get on and mostly across and then he knew he had them. Again. Just my thoughts, based on some evidence we know. Ready to find out the real story.... its time!

 

[Purdue19]

In terms of the November election, Jurors are told to absentee or early vote. Judge Fran Gulls tells our team she is mindful of juror stress and may end court early on rough days, or provide extended lunch breaks.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847004089957179862

 

[mpnola]

One more thing I want to add.... thank goodness Abby and libby recorded him!!! Do you know how much more difficult this case would be without them giving incredibly good evidence of who was responsible?? I feel confident that one of those 61 confessions will sound just like that "down the hill" voice. I also think as much as we have seen and how horrific it is, I think this will be worse than anything our brains can imagine.

 

[mpnola]

In terms of the November election, Jurors are told to absentee or early vote. Judge Fran Gulls tells our team she is mindful of juror stress and may end court early on rough days, or provide extended lunch breaks.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847004089957179862

Well I am glad to hear this because the no lunch break of day 1 jury selection made me nervous that they would not be treated right. I listen to sooooo many trials and judges are usually overly sensitive to juror needs and comfort. I was quite surprised by day 1 handling.

 

[ManicMuggle83]

Dbm

 

[Inthedetails]

Well I am glad to hear this because the no lunch break of day 1 jury selection made me nervous that they would not be treated right. I listen to sooooo many trials and judges are usually overly sensitive to juror needs and comfort. I was quite surprised by day 1 handling.

Keep in mind, though, the jury pool was in batches. It's possible that the potential jurors were not sitting there all day without break, but the lawyers, judge, and gallery were. Just a guess. IDK for sure.

jmo

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Passing RA on the bridge isn't necessary imo - IF - a person was ALREADY at the other end of the bridge then possibly RA wouldn't have seen him at all. My theory supposes exactly this - that someone COULD have been on the other end and that person COULD have pretended to pass them on the far end, then doubled back. I'm not saying it DID happen. Is just speculation on my part as to what the D may suggest to create reasonable doubt. mooooooooo

Well your southend approach guy would be reckless to approach from that side without knowing if anyone else ( witnesses) would be directly behind his victims or approaching from the north end of the bridge. He also would need to dress exactly like RA ( who just happened to be on the north side of MHB) and he would need to be short with bunched up jeans and too long sleeves on his windbreaker style jacket and sound like RA and most importantly carry the same model gun as RA and also have one of RA’s bullets to leave at the crime scene.
He also would need to leave the crime scene on a path directly opposite of his entry and instead walk northwest near a traveled road to be seen by the witnesses in his path to RA’s car parked at CPS.
It just doesn’t seem probable IMO
RA approached from the north end after effectively sweeping the trails to make sure there would not be any surprise witness from the north side.
Sounds like perhaps he didn’t count on possible interruptions on the south side.
All my opinion.

 

[Salah11]

So the night before it all kicks off what are people's gut feelings on if he will be found guilty?

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846759840770654485

 

[katydid23]

You don't find that problematic?

NO, because it was not an actual 'confession' ---He knew that Dr Wala knew that his family was alive and well. They were not murdered. He was talking about feeling suicidal and his feelings of remorse and regret.

Did he regret murdering his family? NO, because he did not factually murder them. When looking at the context of his statement to Dr Wala, he was obviously talking about things that made him feel sad and hopeless.

And him being accused and charged with killing 2 little girls obviously greatly impacted his family in a horrible way. So in his mind, he symbolically 'killed' them too. It was a death knell for his family life. The family will never be whole again.

I think it helps the prosecution for the jury to see the entire context of that sad statement. It is no help to the defense because it is clearly not him actually confessing to physically killing his family.

 

[mpnola]

Keep in mind, though, the jury pool was in batches. It's possible that the potential jurors were not sitting there all day without break, but the lawyers, judge, and gallery were. Just a guess. IDK for

NO, because it was not an actual 'confession' ---He knew that Dr Wala knew that his family was alive and well. They were not murdered. He was talking about feeling suicidal and his feelings of remorse and regret.

Did he regret murdering his family? NO, because he did not factually murder them. When looking at the context of his statement to Dr Wala, he was obviously talking about things that made him feel sad and hopeless.

And him being accused and charged with killing 2 little girls obviously greatly impacted his family in a horrible way. So in his mind, he symbolically 'killed' them too. It was a death knell for his family life. The family will never be whole again.

I think it helps the prosecution for the jury to see the entire context of that sad statement. It is no help to the defense because it is clearly not him actually confessing to physically killing his family.

NO, because it was not an actual 'confession' ---He knew that Dr Wala knew that his family was alive and well. They were not murdered. He was talking about feeling suicidal and his feelings of remorse and regret.

Did he regret murdering his family? NO, because he did not factually murder them. When looking at the context of his statement to Dr Wala, he was obviously talking about things that made him feel sad and hopeless.

And him being accused and charged with killing 2 little girls obviously greatly impacted his family in a horrible way. So in his mind, he symbolically 'killed' them too. It was a death knell for his family life. The family will never be whole again.

I think it helps the prosecution for the jury to see the entire context of that sad statement. It is no help to the defense because it is clearly not him actually confessing to physically killing his family.

Exactly. It's just like if I say "my family is destroyed by that news" it would mean sad, devastated. Not destroyed like a home in a tornado. It's figurative. Not literal.

 

[katydid23]

So the night before it all kicks off what are people's gut feelings on if he will be found guilty?

 

[Inthedetails]

So the night before it all kicks off what are people's gut feelings on if he will be found guilty?

With what we know now and my trust that prosecutors don't bring cases they aren't confident they can win, I predict a guilty verdict.

Of course, like everyone else here, I'm waiting to hear about the evidence presented in court.

I'm expecting there will be evidence against RA we haven't heard about.

jmo

 

[TTF14]

So the night before it all kicks off what are people's gut feelings on if he will be found guilty?

Unless the State has more than what we know about right now, I think hung jury if not full acquittal. It will be interesting to see how opinions change as the trial proceeds, though! We may all be surprised in one way or another.

As always, JMO

 

[katydid23]

What may matter though is that a guy can be on a bridge and still not be the killer imo. Is it POSSIBLE that a guy was at the far end of the bridge where the words DTH were spoken to the kids? IMO it is. We don’t know. If the image of Bg is unclear on the video (could be RA could be anyone)… then it may form a reasonable doubt for the jurors. Other evidence may clarify or solidify any reasonable doubt. Very interesting to watch unfold imo.

No, I don't think that is possible because of the entire video/audio. Right after we see the image of BG, we hear the girls talking about wanting to get away, and then HIS voice and the girls say 'he's got a gun' ---

There is no time for some other mystery man to pop out of nowhere.

Besides that, RA never mentioned seeing another guy on the bridge. The other witnesses didnt talk about any other guy dressed just like RA.

I don't think there is much room for reasonable doubt. The video timeline is too tight. IMO

 

[Cyber sleuth]

unnoticed. My experience of living in a small town is that not only did most people know most everybody else, they also knew what kind of vehicle everybody drove too - but again here in Delphi nobody IMO is making any positive vehicle identifications at CPS, Mears, etc.

3. IF per the 3-day hearings LG was on the move when stabbed then dragged back a bit to a certain location, if not already deceased then likely close to it, how did the unspent bullet end up in the spot she was dragged back to?. Are we to assume (and for what reason?) RA cocked the gun/cycled the bullet through after the girls were deceased, unconscious, defenseless?

RSBM/BBM

I don’t believe there has been any evidence that any citizens of Delphi were asked to review the video footage and try to identify the owner of the black ford focus traveling west on CR300.
It also has not been evidenced whether the individuals that did witness RA’s car parked at CPS on 2/13 during the crimes were locals or knew RA or his personal vehicle.

I believe the unspent bullet fell when the gun was racked prior to the final physical assault to one or both of the girls. I think one of them was alive and it was done to scare her/them into further compliance.
I think RA either didn’t realize he had dropped the bullet or he simply did not have time to look for it.
All my opinion.
The truth cannot come soon enough.

 

[Seattle1]

IMO, the answer is because no government agency will ever admit it made a mistake.

IIRC, witnesses on the Trail the day the girls were murdered had become increasingly frustrated with investigators that two years later, they were still pushing Sketch #1 (that did not represent the party they saw), and did not understand why their word had essentially been discounted-- even knowing they'd not gotten anywhere close to naming/arresting a suspect by pushing Sketch #1.

Then Police tell the public that the images (Sketches #1 & #2) are the same person -- but possibly at different ages.. huh?!!

Then Police confirm the Sketches are of two different individuals, and please disregard Sketch #1.

IMO, it follows that the Prosecution would want to suppress the Sketches as evidence during the trial!

 

[Purdue19]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847017401025442203

 

[TTF14]

IIRC, witnesses on the Trail the day the girls were murdered had become increasingly frustrated with investigators that two years later, they were still pushing Sketch #1 (that did not represent the party they saw), and did not understand why their word had essentially been discounted-- even knowing they'd not gotten anywhere close to naming/arresting a suspect by pushing Sketch #1.

Then Police tell the public that the images (Sketches #1 & #2) are the same person -- but possibly at different ages.. huh?!!

Then Police confirm the Sketches are of two different individuals, and please disregard Sketch #1.

IMO, it follows that the Prosecution would want to suppress the Sketches as evidence during the trial!

Yes, when you put it that way, it does make perfect sense. After all, it wasn't he Prosecutor's office that put out the sketches!

But, they still have to deal with the fact that both of the eye witnesses described someone who did not look like RA, or even BG. Young guy/poofy hair from BB....tan coat, not blue coat from SC.

So, how will the State handle that? I'm very interested to see.

As always, JMO, but also here's a link: Memorandum in Support of Motion for Franks Hearing.pdf

 

[MassGuy]

RSBM/BBM

I don’t believe there has been any evidence that any citizens of Delphi were asked to review the video footage and try to identify the owner of the black ford focus traveling west on CR300.
It also has not been evidenced whether the individuals that did witness RA’s car parked at CPS on 2/13 during the crimes were locals or knew RA or his personal vehicle.

I believe the unspent bullet fell when the gun was racked prior to the final physical assault to one or both of the girls. I think one of them was alive and it was done to scare her/them into further compliance.
I think RA either didn’t realize he had dropped the bullet or he simply did not have time to look for it.
All my opinion.
The truth cannot come soon enough.

I think it's also possible that he knew he had ejected a round, but forgot about it during the ensuing murders. Kind of like Brian Kohberger and the knife sheath.