Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #199

[iamshadow21]

Better to ask forgiveness, than permission. IMO

If it goes in your favour, maybe. They got their memory cards wiped and got blacklisted.

They fooled around and found out.

MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Baldwin also pointed to phone data earlier in the day and said that the jury will see the full “Down the Hill” video and the defense believes the jury will see that the man in the video…— Donnie Burgess (@localguydonnie) October 18, 2024 …doesn’t appear to be the one saying “down the hill” and perhaps others were waiting for the girls down below the bridge.

^BBM
Has defense said that Richard Allen is NOT bridge guy? That sentence is almost indicating they plan to say there was another person - not BG - whose voice is saying DTH.

Wondering if defense is going to admit RA is BG, but then claim he didn’t order them down the hill, thus, not the killer.

jmo

 

[Betty P]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847326457573306426

So sad, poor Becky and family.

I recall they were up all night before the girls were found.They must have been exhausted and frantic. We were all surprised when LE called off the search for the night. So many people kept searching. Everyone knew this was serious, not a prank or case of kids running off.

 

[mrjitty]

Ok, I had assumed it was animal hair or belonging to a female, based on the fact that the defense never mentioned this earlier.

This is why i don’t believe a word Baldwin says without seeing the evidence to back it up.

 

[MassGuy]

^BBM
Has defense said that Richard Allen is NOT bridge guy? That sentence is almost indicating they plan to say there was another person - not BG - whose voice is saying DTH.

Wondering if defense is going to admit RA is BG, but then claim he didn’t order them down the hill, thus, not the killer.

jmo

I really can't imagine they'd concede something that big to the prosecution. I think this is just an attempt to throw mud at the wall and see what sticks.

 

[steeltowngirl]

think the hair is a nothing burger (it is a female hair of a relative of Libby)

^rsbm
Has this been confirmed? Whose hair is it?

 

[iamshadow21]

I really can't imagine they'd concede something that big to the prosecution. I think this is just an attempt to throw mud at the wall and see what sticks.

Well, why change strategies now! That's been the game the whole time.

MOO

 

[TTF14]

But RA said that he left at 3:30 originally and later stated, nahhh it was 1:30 instead.

rsbm

Just a reminder that we don't know that he said this originally since his conversation with DD was not recorded. As has been discussed many times, we don't know how DD phrased his question to RA. Did he said, "Were you there between the hours of 1:30 and 3:30?" If RA said yes and meant he was there at some point during that time frame, that does not mean he was there from 1:30 to 3:30 exactly/the whole time. If DD asked him, what time did you arrive and what time did you leave and RA said 1:30 and 3:30, that's another story.

We don't know because DD went from memory to write his report, presumably (and got his name wrong). And then did not recognize RA as being "BG" (or didn't speak up if he did....or did speak up and was ignored?) just a few days later when he stood up on stage at the presser.

As always, JMO

 

[m00c0w]

^BBM
Has defense said that Richard Allen is NOT bridge guy? That sentence is almost indicating they plan to say there was another person - not BG - whose voice is saying DTH.

Wondering if defense is going to admit RA is BG, but then claim he didn’t order them down the hill, thus, not the killer.

jmo

It sounds more like "RA wasn't even there at that time, but if he was there, he wasn't even on the bridge, but if he was on the bridge, he didn't even tell them to go down the hill, but if he did tell them to go down the hill, we don't even know that they actually went down the hill!"

Super cut and dry.

JMO

 

[photographer4]

I would have been surprised if the D hadn't telegraphed that this was their theory for months now.

I don't think it is a plausible theory, but ... yeah. Not surprised.

All MOO

Perhaps they telegraphed it to get a feel for it's reception on social media - a test of how the jury might react to it if presented in trial? Just a thought. Mooo.

 

[SouthEnd]

Perhaps they telegraphed it to get a feel for it's reception on social media - a test of how the jury might react to it if presented in trial? Just a thought. Mooo.

Pushing out a theory to test how people online react to it is a no-no IMO, especially with a gag order in place.

 

[Ravenmoon]

rsbm

Just a reminder that we don't know that he said this originally since his conversation with DD was not recorded. As has been discussed many times, we don't know how DD phrased his question to RA. Did he said, "Were you there between the hours of 1:30 and 3:30?" If RA said yes and meant he was there at some point during that time frame, that does not mean he was there from 1:30 to 3:30 exactly/the whole time. If DD asked him, what time did you arrive and what time did you leave and RA said 1:30 and 3:30, that's another story.

We don't know because DD went from memory to write his report, presumably (and got his name wrong). And then did not recognize RA as being "BG" (or didn't speak up if he did....or did speak up and was ignored?) just a few days later when he stood up on stage at the presser.

As always, JMO

I understand.

However, this was a simple statement that RA voluntarily gave. It was not RA being questioned.


JMO

 

[photographer4]

I don’t believe a juror is supposed to base his or her decision based on how it’s going to affect them personally after the trial. IMO

I don't see how a juror could NOT think about how their vote may affect them later on really. EG: if I were a juror and wasn't 100% convinced of his guilt, I'd be the holdout on the not guilty because I would really hate to put a man away for life if I weren't sure he was the criminal the State said he was. moooo

 

[photographer4]

Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland in his opening statement Friday alleged that Richard Allen forced Abigail “Abby” Williams and Liberty “Libby” German down a hill near the Monon High Bridge trail and killed them.

The girls were hiking along the trail on Feb. 13, 2017, “a nice summer day in the middle of winter,” McLeland told jurors. A little after 2 p.m., the girls reached the famous high bridge. Allen, McLeland alleges, was following them.

He “pulls out a gun and forces them down the hill,” McLeland said, adding that the video that Libby was taking on her phone shut off around this time.

Day 1 of Richard Allen's Delphi murders trial brings new details, heartwrenching testimony

Follow along live throughout the trial as journalists from the Indianapolis Star and the Lafayette Journal & Courier cover the case.

www.indystar.com

So the State went with Allen followed them. I wonder if the D will go with they were attacked by some foul character at the other end? MOOO.

 

[iamshadow21]

Dbm

 

[Ravenmoon]

I don't see how a juror could NOT think about how their vote may affect them later on really. EG: if I were a juror and wasn't 100% convinced of his guilt, I'd be the holdout on the not guilty because I would really hate to put a man away for life if I weren't sure he was the criminal the State said he was. moooo

Jurors have to weigh the evidence presented.

Personal feelings regarding the outcome should never sway them.
If the evidence is shown to be BEYOND a REASONABLE doubt, guilty.

If there is reasonable doubt, not guilty.


JMO

 

[photographer4]

We don't know that for sure.
LE/ Prosecutors have not shared (Gag order, Integrity of the case) all they know, all the tips called in.
He may have been tipped in multiple times.

We will find out soon !!!!

If he had been tipped in by name, one would think that would have made it's way into the Probable Cause, no? I'd have also expected a plea bargain or a guilty from him if he were named and dead to rights the guy.....

 

[SouthEnd]

Baldwin says the defense will provide evidence to show the girls were confronted by several people, taken away…

— Donnie Burgess (@localguydonnie) October 18, 2024

I for one cannot wait to see the evidence they provide to support this assertion

And I recant my earlier statement, if the D tries to present the 'Group of Men did it' theory, IMO, it is their case to lose, not the Prosecution's.

I know that in theory all the Defence has to do is show the P's evidence is weak, but if it is a battle between two theories, a lone man leaving scant evidence behind, and a GROUP leaving scant evidence, I'd be even more inclined to vote G.

All MOO

 

[TTF14]

https://www.wane.com/news/state-defense-deliver-opening-statements-in-delphi-murders-trial/

this is all i've found so far that mentions two different knives.

If it's true that a hair found clutched in a dead girl's hands was not tested until years later, why the hell not!? That is crazy! I don't care whose it is, not to test a hair found on a victim? Why???

As always, JMO.

 

[Seattle1]

^rsbm
Has this been confirmed? Whose hair is it?

This is the source for hair evidence being female. Not seeing this confirmed elsewhere:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847325427540300265