Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #199

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If you mean that BB's statement indicated she saw a man who looked like RA while also observing the girls approaching, I strongly disagree. Maybe I'm misinterpreting exactly what you mean, and if so, I apologize.

In my opinion, BB's testimony does NOT seem to confirm that the man on the first platform she saw was RA. In fact, in her March 7, 2019 interview (as described and cited on page 108 of the Franks memo), she said the man was young (in his twenties or maybe 30s) and had poofy hair. That doesn't at all describe Richard Allen.

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As always, JMO.
She overlaps in timing with the group of girls whom RA seems to confirm having met. He was arriving as they were leaving. They saw him. He saw them. BB, arriving later yet, still managed to see the girls before they were gone.

RA would seem to have got to the platform without seeing another soul aside from the girls.

BB reports she turned around short of the bridge. She did not go out to the platform for a closer look. Nor did she have any reason to pay special attention to the man out there. The kind of details you stumble over here would be easy to mistake at the time or misremember later.

Where did the poofy haired guy come from? Where did he go? Why isn’t Killer BG a poofy-haired youth?
 
  • #362
I want to bring this post forward. And I want to thank @shonyakay for the work she put into it.

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shonyakay said:

Someone mentioned on here that the timeline isn't known yet but it most certainly is. This is from RIchard Allen's PCA but they jump around a lot in it so I thought I would put it in chronological order.


February 13, 2017

At 12:43 p.m. three teen girls and a little girl take a picture on the Monon High Bridge.

At 1:26 p.m. Those same girls take a picture on a bench after having walked the entirety of the approximately one mile trail. They then head westbound toward Freedom Bridge.

At 1:27 p.m. A car that resembles Richard Allen's 2016 Black Ford Focus is seen traveling westbound on CR 300 N. Heading in the direction of the former CPS building.

In his first statement, Richard Allen, says he parked at the old farm bureau building and headed toward Freedom Bridge. He says he was on the trails that day from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m.

In the vicinity of the Freedom Bridge the three teen girls see a man. They describe him as "kind of creepy", "not very tall", had his hands in his pockets, wearing blue or black jeans and a blue or black jacket. He had gray hair maybe a little brown.
He matched the man in the still photo from LG's cellphone video.

Richard Allen said at the Freedom Bridge he saw three females. One was taller and had brown or black hair. He then says he walked to the High Bridge.

Just before 1:46 p.m.
Betsy Blair observed four girls (The three teen girls and the little girl) walking on the bridge over State Road 25 as she was driving underneath.

At 1:46 p.m.
Betsy Blair's car is seen traveling eastbound.
She parks her car across from the Mears farm and starts walking toward the High Bridge.

At 1:49 p.m. Kelsi drops Libby and Abby off across from the Mears' farm.

When Betsy Blair makes it to the High Bridge she
sees a man wearing blue jeans and a blue jeans jacket standing on platform One approximately 50 feet away. He matched the man from the still photo from Libby's cellphone video.

Richard Allen said in his 2022 statement that at the High Bridge he walked out onto platform One. He described himself as wearing blue jeans and a blue or black jacket.

Betsy turns around to finish her walk and halfway between the high bridge and the Mears' farm parking area she sees two girls who she believes to be Libby and Abby. They were headed to the High Bridge.

At 2:05 p.m.
Libby takes a picture of the bridge in between the second and third platforms (I will explain how I know this in my follow up post).

At 2:07 p.m.
Libby gets on the third platform and turns around to take a picture of Abby walking across High Bridge. No one is visible in the picture except Abby.

Around 2:10 p.m.
A man on his way to Delphi on State Road 25 observes a purple PT cruiser or a small suv type vehicle parked on the South side of the old CPS building. It was backed in as though to conceal it's license plate.

At 2:13 p.m.
While at the end of the High Bridge or very close to it Libby, who is turned toward the beginning of the bridge, begins recording video of a man on her cell phone. The man is coming from the direction of the beginning of the bridge. He is between the fifth and six platforms walking behind Abby. (I will share how I know this in my follow up post)

In the video it has been described as containing the following...
Abby looks up at Libby and asks if the man is behind her. One of the girls', it is believed to be Abby, mentions the man has a gun. The girls' discuss where they should go. The man approaches and says, "Guys.... down the hill!"
The sound of a gun clicks. The video is said to be 43 seconds long and ends at 2:14 p.m.

At 2:14 p.m.
Betsy Blair's car is seen leaving westbound from the trails. As she passes by the old CPS building she sees a car parked in an odd manner. It is in the same general spot and backed in like the man observed around 2:10 p.m.

Other people were on the trails after 2:13 p.m.
and none of them saw Richard Allen, Libby, or Abby.

Around 2:28 p.m.
A man sees a small dark colored car parked at the old CPS building. He describes it as possibly a smart car.

At 2:32 p.m.
Libby's phone ceases movement, according to the Apple Health Data on her cellphone.

At 3:57 p.m.
Sarah Carbaugh is driving eastbound down CR 300 N when she sees a man walking westbound away from the Monon High bridge. He appears muddy, bloody, and like he's been in a fight.

There were other individuals on the trails or CR 300 N from 2:30 p.m. to 4:11 p.m. and none of these people saw a man resembling RIchard Allen on the trail.

The girls were found dead the next day and a .40 caliber unspent round was found less than two feet from Libby's body and in between Libby and Abby's bodies. There were extraction marks on the bullet. When LE tested Richard Allen's Sig Sauer P226 the extraction marks matched the one's on the unspent bullet from the crime scene.
 
  • #363
Forgive me if this information has been shared as I have multiple pages to still read here but I wanted to share this.

The following comes from two people who actually attended the July/August hearings.

The claims that RA stated he killed his family come from a May 2, 2023 report of Dr. Wala.

According to Dr. Wala's testimony she stated that on May 2, 2023, RA had a lot to say that day.

He wanted to know why he shouldn't kill himself.
Other inmates were allegedly trying to get him to kill himself. He asked Dr. Wala if he should kill himself.
This is when he stated, I've killed my family. I've killed my best friends but I won't kill myself because I'm too much of a coward. (Not verbatim)

OKAY, this^^^^ context makes his statement make sense. OBVIOUSLY he was not trying to 'confess' to actually murdering his family. He knew Dr Wala KNEW they were alive and well.

The context of his statement makes it clear that he was speaking symbolically---he DID 'kill' his family. Their life as a happy normal family is OVER.
Maybe the grandchild statement was made at that time too. I am not sure.

Time stamp: 0:50

"What will those closest to you think of when they find out you brutally murdered two little girls, two children? Only a coward would do such a thing." - Doug Carter


While Dr. Wala was on the stand it was also verified that in 2019 RA went to a mental institution for a week.

I am curious to know the date. Was it after this 2019 presser?
I really want to know when he went in for mental health issues as well.
 
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I want to bring this post forward. And I want to thank @shonyakay for the work she put into it.

Post in thread 'Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198' Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198
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shonyakay said:

Someone mentioned on here that the timeline isn't known yet but it most certainly is. This is from RIchard Allen's PCA but they jump around a lot in it so I thought I would put it in chronological order.


February 13, 2017

At 12:43 p.m. three teen girls and a little girl take a picture on the Monon High Bridge.

At 1:26 p.m. Those same girls take a picture on a bench after having walked the entirety of the approximately one mile trail. They then head westbound toward Freedom Bridge.

At 1:27 p.m. A car that resembles Richard Allen's 2016 Black Ford Focus is seen traveling westbound on CR 300 N. Heading in the direction of the former CPS building.

In his first statement, Richard Allen, says he parked at the old farm bureau building and headed toward Freedom Bridge. He says he was on the trails that day from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m.

In the vicinity of the Freedom Bridge the three teen girls see a man. They describe him as "kind of creepy", "not very tall", had his hands in his pockets, wearing blue or black jeans and a blue or black jacket. He had gray hair maybe a little brown.
He matched the man in the still photo from LG's cellphone video.

Richard Allen said at the Freedom Bridge he saw three females. One was taller and had brown or black hair. He then says he walked to the High Bridge.

Just before 1:46 p.m.
Betsy Blair observed four girls (The three teen girls and the little girl) walking on the bridge over State Road 25 as she was driving underneath.

At 1:46 p.m.
Betsy Blair's car is seen traveling eastbound.
She parks her car across from the Mears farm and starts walking toward the High Bridge.

At 1:49 p.m. Kelsi drops Libby and Abby off across from the Mears' farm.

When Betsy Blair makes it to the High Bridge she
sees a man wearing blue jeans and a blue jeans jacket standing on platform One approximately 50 feet away. He matched the man from the still photo from Libby's cellphone video.

Richard Allen said in his 2022 statement that at the High Bridge he walked out onto platform One. He described himself as wearing blue jeans and a blue or black jacket.

Betsy turns around to finish her walk and halfway between the high bridge and the Mears' farm parking area she sees two girls who she believes to be Libby and Abby. They were headed to the High Bridge.

At 2:05 p.m.
Libby takes a picture of the bridge in between the second and third platforms (I will explain how I know this in my follow up post).

At 2:07 p.m.
Libby gets on the third platform and turns around to take a picture of Abby walking across High Bridge. No one is visible in the picture except Abby.

Around 2:10 p.m.
A man on his way to Delphi on State Road 25 observes a purple PT cruiser or a small suv type vehicle parked on the South side of the old CPS building. It was backed in as though to conceal it's license plate.

At 2:13 p.m.
While at the end of the High Bridge or very close to it Libby, who is turned toward the beginning of the bridge, begins recording video of a man on her cell phone. The man is coming from the direction of the beginning of the bridge. He is between the fifth and six platforms walking behind Abby. (I will share how I know this in my follow up post)

In the video it has been described as containing the following...
Abby looks up at Libby and asks if the man is behind her. One of the girls', it is believed to be Abby, mentions the man has a gun. The girls' discuss where they should go. The man approaches and says, "Guys.... down the hill!"
The sound of a gun clicks. The video is said to be 43 seconds long and ends at 2:14 p.m.

At 2:14 p.m.
Betsy Blair's car is seen leaving westbound from the trails. As she passes by the old CPS building she sees a car parked in an odd manner. It is in the same general spot and backed in like the man observed around 2:10 p.m.

Other people were on the trails after 2:13 p.m.
and none of them saw Richard Allen, Libby, or Abby.

Around 2:28 p.m.
A man sees a small dark colored car parked at the old CPS building. He describes it as possibly a smart car.

At 2:32 p.m.
Libby's phone ceases movement, according to the Apple Health Data on her cellphone.

At 3:57 p.m.
Sarah Carbaugh is driving eastbound down CR 300 N when she sees a man walking westbound away from the Monon High bridge. He appears muddy, bloody, and like he's been in a fight.

There were other individuals on the trails or CR 300 N from 2:30 p.m. to 4:11 p.m. and none of these people saw a man resembling RIchard Allen on the trail.

The girls were found dead the next day and a .40 caliber unspent round was found less than two feet from Libby's body and in between Libby and Abby's bodies. There were extraction marks on the bullet. When LE tested Richard Allen's Sig Sauer P226 the extraction marks matched the one's on the unspent bullet from the crime scene.
Read closely @shonyakay 's timeline 2:13pm and 2:14 pm

This leave no doubt in my mind RA was following and right behind these two teen girls.
 
  • #368
How odd. Especially for them both to mention it.

As always, JMO.
I'm trying to find more information about what was said in the mini-opening statements and this came up.
What would that have anything to do with this case?!


Wait---didn't the prosecution say in their mini-opening, something like " You can safely assume some things, like I am an attorney, even though I haven't shown you my Bar ID..."

or something along those lines...

So I guess the D replied by saying the above....?
 
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Pat Brown and Kathy Allen are going to be called by the state.
What are they going to put KA on the stand for? If the defense was calling her to the stand I could easily think of reasons why. I'm a bit stumped about why the State is calling her. Anybody have Prosecution case-affiliated reasons?
 
  • #370
Where did the poofy haired guy come from? Where did he go? Why isn’t Killer BG a poofy-haired youth?

I have the same questions!

As always, JMO.
 
  • #371
Wait---didn't the prosecution say in their opening, something like " You can safely assume some things, like I am an attorney, even though I haven't shown you my Bar ID..."

or something along those lines...

So I guess the D replied by saying the above....?

Yes, another poster clarified a couple of hours ago. But, thank you.
 
  • #372
OKAY, this^^^^ context makes his statement make sense. OBVIOUSLY he was not trying to 'confess' to actually murdering his family. He knew Dr Wala KNEW they were alive and well.

The context of his statement makes it clear that he was speaking symbolically---he DID 'kill' his family. Their life as a happy normal family is OVER.

I really want to know when he went in for mental health issues as well.
This reminds me of Billy’s “confession” in “My Cousin Vinny.” When he’s being questioned by the sheriff, he says incredulously “I shot the clerk? I shot the clerk?”

The sheriff then repeats in court that he admitted to shooting the clerk.

As everyone knows, thanks to the brilliant testimony of legendary car expert Mona Lisa Vito, those poor boys were exonerated.

Context is everything.
 
  • #373
What are they going to put KA on the stand for? If the defense was calling her to the stand I could easily think of reasons why. I'm a bit stumped about why the State is calling her. Anybody have Prosecution case-affiliated reasons?

My guess would be questions about RA's comings and goings, his owning a blue coat, why he might have a bullet on his dresser, what car he normally drove...lots of reasons.

As always, JMO.
 
  • #374
I could be totally out in left field on this, and rarely if ever hear/heard anything about it, but if I were investigating this crime, I'd be analyzing how many sets of footprints went down that hill, through the woods, to the creek and beyond.
 
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I want to bring this post forward. And I want to thank @shonyakay for the work she put into it.

Post in thread 'Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198' Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198
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shonyakay said:

Someone mentioned on here that the timeline isn't known yet but it most certainly is. This is from RIchard Allen's PCA but they jump around a lot in it so I thought I would put it in chronological order.


February 13, 2017

At 12:43 p.m. three teen girls and a little girl take a picture on the Monon High Bridge.

At 1:26 p.m. Those same girls take a picture on a bench after having walked the entirety of the approximately one mile trail. They then head westbound toward Freedom Bridge.

At 1:27 p.m. A car that resembles Richard Allen's 2016 Black Ford Focus is seen traveling westbound on CR 300 N. Heading in the direction of the former CPS building.

In his first statement, Richard Allen, says he parked at the old farm bureau building and headed toward Freedom Bridge. He says he was on the trails that day from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m.

In the vicinity of the Freedom Bridge the three teen girls see a man. They describe him as "kind of creepy", "not very tall", had his hands in his pockets, wearing blue or black jeans and a blue or black jacket. He had gray hair maybe a little brown.
He matched the man in the still photo from LG's cellphone video.

Richard Allen said at the Freedom Bridge he saw three females. One was taller and had brown or black hair. He then says he walked to the High Bridge.

Just before 1:46 p.m.
Betsy Blair observed four girls (The three teen girls and the little girl) walking on the bridge over State Road 25 as she was driving underneath.

At 1:46 p.m.
Betsy Blair's car is seen traveling eastbound.
She parks her car across from the Mears farm and starts walking toward the High Bridge.

At 1:49 p.m. Kelsi drops Libby and Abby off across from the Mears' farm.

When Betsy Blair makes it to the High Bridge she
sees a man wearing blue jeans and a blue jeans jacket standing on platform One approximately 50 feet away. He matched the man from the still photo from Libby's cellphone video.

Richard Allen said in his 2022 statement that at the High Bridge he walked out onto platform One. He described himself as wearing blue jeans and a blue or black jacket.

Betsy turns around to finish her walk and halfway between the high bridge and the Mears' farm parking area she sees two girls who she believes to be Libby and Abby. They were headed to the High Bridge.

At 2:05 p.m.
Libby takes a picture of the bridge in between the second and third platforms (I will explain how I know this in my follow up post).

At 2:07 p.m.
Libby gets on the third platform and turns around to take a picture of Abby walking across High Bridge. No one is visible in the picture except Abby.

Around 2:10 p.m.
A man on his way to Delphi on State Road 25 observes a purple PT cruiser or a small suv type vehicle parked on the South side of the old CPS building. It was backed in as though to conceal it's license plate.

At 2:13 p.m.
While at the end of the High Bridge or very close to it Libby, who is turned toward the beginning of the bridge, begins recording video of a man on her cell phone. The man is coming from the direction of the beginning of the bridge. He is between the fifth and six platforms walking behind Abby. (I will share how I know this in my follow up post)

In the video it has been described as containing the following...
Abby looks up at Libby and asks if the man is behind her. One of the girls', it is believed to be Abby, mentions the man has a gun. The girls' discuss where they should go. The man approaches and says, "Guys.... down the hill!"
The sound of a gun clicks. The video is said to be 43 seconds long and ends at 2:14 p.m.

At 2:14 p.m.
Betsy Blair's car is seen leaving westbound from the trails. As she passes by the old CPS building she sees a car parked in an odd manner. It is in the same general spot and backed in like the man observed around 2:10 p.m.

Other people were on the trails after 2:13 p.m.
and none of them saw Richard Allen, Libby, or Abby.

Around 2:28 p.m.
A man sees a small dark colored car parked at the old CPS building. He describes it as possibly a smart car.

At 2:32 p.m.
Libby's phone ceases movement, according to the Apple Health Data on her cellphone.

At 3:57 p.m.
Sarah Carbaugh is driving eastbound down CR 300 N when she sees a man walking westbound away from the Monon High bridge. He appears muddy, bloody, and like he's been in a fight.

There were other individuals on the trails or CR 300 N from 2:30 p.m. to 4:11 p.m. and none of these people saw a man resembling RIchard Allen on the trail.

The girls were found dead the next day and a .40 caliber unspent round was found less than two feet from Libby's body and in between Libby and Abby's bodies. There were extraction marks on the bullet. When LE tested Richard Allen's Sig Sauer P226 the extraction marks matched the one's on the unspent bullet from the crime scene.
Also in this as well as the affidavit RA is the only one to calls the building Farm Bureau. (Which it wasn't and never has been called Farm Bureau). Everyone else calls it the Child Protection service building.

It's like he couldn't bring himself to say Child Protection Service building.
 
  • #377
My opinion only:

Way back, when the Superintendent said "all we need is a name"... that means a lot to me.

To me, that means they have a lot of evidence... they just can't find the perpetrator to tie it to.

Here's is what we know they have from publicly released info:

1) Video of BG walking across bridge to L&A and saying "down the hill" along with "gun" - so we know BG was apart of the murders.
2) Audio of BG. Will they be able to compare samples of his voice previously recorded versus BG. <looks iffy to me)
3) 4 eyewitnesses who will testify BG was wearing same clothes as witness #5 (Richard Allen) himself says he was wearing at the time he was on the bridge.
4) Semi-solid evidence that a bullet matched his caliber and ejection markings.
5) Confessions by Richard Allen.
6) Any other circumstantial or semi-solid evidence gathered from his residence including coat, boots, bullets, gun, knife, notes in diary, etc. or whatever if anything they have.

The key question for me is how do they prove that RA is BG.

And also like you said, we don't even know what else the prosecution has.. and they might decide NOT to use some of the weaker evidence like the shell ejection markings because they already have a strong case.
In answer they the how do they prove RA is BG, the best way, IMO, would be to hear and/or read him say it himself.
 
  • #378
Delphi murders trial update: prosecutors argued in Allen Superior Court to keep police sketches of the Bridge Guy out of the trial of Richard Allen, the man accused of killing Abby Williams and Libby German in 2017. 1/


Prosecutors made a case that the sketches weren’t used to ID Richard Allen and wanted to head off assumed plans of them being introduced in defense’s opening statements Friday and imprinting on jurors. 2/



A retired FBI forensic artist who compiled one of the sketches testified that they weren’t meant for court to identify someone who has been charged. 3/


Allen’s attys ask (paraphrased): Is that because these sketches don’t look like Richard Allen? 4/


Judge Gull takes matter under advisement and said she would rule by Friday morning, when the trial begins in earnest in Carroll County. 5/


Also in play/argued this morning: can the defense keep a metallurgist on the witness list to challenge the reliability of matching tool markings on an unspent bullet found near the girls’ bodies? Judge will rule later. 6/


Plus, guards and inmates from prisons where Richard Allen had been held and watched/reported on his movements/talk may testify. Allen’s attys had argued that they weren’t experts who could address his mental health. 7/



 
  • #379
Forgive me if this information has been shared as I have multiple pages to still read here but I wanted to share this.

The following comes from two people who actually attended the July/August hearings.

The claims that RA stated he killed his family come from a May 2, 2023 report of Dr. Wala.

According to Dr. Wala's testimony she stated that on May 2, 2023, RA had a lot to say that day.

He wanted to know why he shouldn't kill himself.
Other inmates were allegedly trying to get him to kill himself. He asked Dr. Wala if he should kill himself.
This is when he stated, I've killed my family. I've killed my best friends but I won't kill myself because I'm too much of a coward. (Not verbatim)

Maybe the grandchild statement was made at that time too. I am not sure.

Time stamp: 0:50

"What will those closest to you think of when they find out you brutally murdered two little girls, two children? Only a coward would do such a thing." - Doug Carter


While Dr. Wala was on the stand it was also verified that in 2019 RA went to a mental institution for a week.

I am curious to know the date. Was it after this 2019 presser?
I want to HIGHLIGHT this^^^ great post once again because it shows us how phoney the Defense can be at times.

I read that the defense claimed that RA 'confessed' to killing his family. OK, that could be worrisome to the prosecution case.

THEN we hear the actual context, and it WAS NOT a confession. Not at all. And the defense clearly knows that. But it helps their case, they think, if they try and throw incorrect, misleading info out to the public.

I am happy to see this because it makes me remember that they are also probably misstating the 'hair in the fist' announcement too. JMO
 
  • #380
What are they going to put KA on the stand for? If the defense was calling her to the stand I could easily think of reasons why. I'm a bit stumped about why the State is calling her. Anybody have Prosecution case-affiliated reasons?
Perhaps prosecution wants KA to establish RA’s whereabouts on 2/13 as she knows them. Or maybe she provided an alibi?

jmo
 
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