Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #199

[Deleted member 229974]

Uh, then why did the LE put them out to the media in the first place? I'm confused?

Me too. It certainly was a very big deal when they posted the first photo and then the very different other photo. IMO

 

[shonyakay]

No way.

The defense is claiming to the jury that the girls' were taken away from the crime scene Monday afternoon and brought back Tuesday morning?

This will definitely backfire.

Blood evidence clearly shows the girls' were killed where they were found. So while family members and members of the community were out all night and into the morning searching for the girls', the killer brought them back to the crime scene to kill them?

What about the states claim that the girls' were killed between 2:30 and 3:30 p.m.? If testimony shows this to be accurate then the defense will have to explain why the killer would kill them there Monday afternoon, take their bodies away, and then bring their bodies' back to the scene of the crime when multiple law enforcement, family members, and other searchers were looking for the girls' in the area.
Keep in mind Libby and Abby were found only 0.2 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen says he was on the trails from 1:30 p.m. to 3:30 p.m.
Testimony from others who were on the trails that day from 2:13 p.m. to 4:11 p.m. didn't see anyone resembling Richard Allen, Libby or Abby after Betsy Blair saw "Bridge Guy" and Libby and Abby around 2:00 p.m. So where did Richard Allen go after seeing the girls' on the Freedom Bridge and standing on platform One on the High Bridge? Richard Allen, "BG", and Libby and Abby all disappeared at the same time.

Why was the muddy bloody man, who matched the man from LG's video seen ALONE and walking away from Monon HIgh Bridge in the direction of the old CPS building? The man happened to be walking in the direction of the old CPS building.

Richard Allen says he parked by an old building and the Hoosier Harvest Store's camera captured a car resembling Richard Allen's 2016 Black Ford Focus heading in the direction of the old CPS building at 1:27 p.m.

The jurors are not stupid.

 

[Melted]

They will, with the help of the defendant, JMO

I agree, if the confessions are clear, concise and do truly contain information that only the killer would know that Richard Allen had not received in discovery then he will be found guilty.

I however do not think that’s the case. Time will tell

JMO

 

[photographer4]

If so, I hope they like jail food. They are on the naughty list, and it wouldn't take an ace detective to identify who did it.

MOO

While I agree with you that it would be foolish of them to release photos of the jurors if seen through say van windows, I'd have no problem with seeing photos of the lower portion of the van arriving at the court house. I would like to think that JG would have seen the photos or video on the devices before deleting the content outright but who knows. If the media can't even report on the van itself, then that is just more secrecy that is over the top imo. MOOOOO.

 

[FrostedGlass]

so much for a Perry Mason moment with male hair clutched in Abby's fist not matching RA. Recall that is what was debated for days earlier this week. It was being touted by some as male hair, possibly a "tuft", that was "clutched" in Abby's hand and being represented by some case watchers as some last dying act of Abby's to rip the hair from her killer's head. That announcement of hair not matching RA during mini opening was labelled by some as "devastating" to the state's case.

And now DT admits it was a singular hair, possibly belonging to a family member of Libby. A speculation quite a few members mentioned. Kudos to those who saw the posturing over this hair as exactly what it was.

A nothingburger. a red herring. MOO

The "clutched" came from a news source, which I linked to. IMO, it matters not who the hair belonged to; only who it doesn't belong to and that is RA. Unfortunately.

2 mm in the video

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-trial-defense-claims-hair-found-with-victim-didnt-match-richard-allen/

 

[Emma Peel]

Expert here explains that the composites/sketches can still come into evidence throughout the course of the trial.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847328058614673908

 

[iamshadow21]

While I agree with you that it would be foolish of them to release photos of the jurors if seen through say van windows, I'd have no problem with seeing photos of the lower portion of the van arriving at the court house. I would like to think that JG would have seen the photos or video on the devices before deleting the content outright but who knows. If the media can't even report on the van itself, then that is just more secrecy that is over the top imo. MOOOOO.

They know the rules, I'm sure it was made very clear to them where the line was, they pushed it, they got spanked. No sympathy from me.

MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Some people believe the family was involved, so this is no doubt a dogwhistle to that conspiracy theory by the defense.

JMO

The defense will damn themselves in court to the jury’s eyes if they are trying to implicate the family’s involvement.

jmo

 

[Melted]

isn't it kind of treacherous area to get to? and transport two bodies and the blood and everything while people, police, dogs may still be searching in the area? sounds like that would be a very gutsy person or probably more than one person to be able to do that without being detected.

Law enforcement called their search off very early on the 13th, there were no dogs. I’ve seen videos of around that time and there were not that many people out there around that time. Also, say for example they had taken them to RL, it wouldn’t be difficult to take them to that spot unnoticed, also the search was directed downstream the first day and night.

JMO

Crossing the creek never made sense to me. Why would they do that?

 

[Megnut]

Posted four hours ago

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847258978297823482

Correcting the quoted journalist:

...there for Abby and Libby...

JMO

 

[Ravenmoon]

Me too. It certainly was a very big deal when they posted the first photo and then the very different other photo. IMO

We need to remember that sketches are not photos.

In early investigations, sketches are just a tool that can potentially help trigger the memory of those that possibly encountered the suspect.

It isn't uncommon for them not to be used at trial.

Also, maybe not super relevant:

BB , if she is a bit older, likely saw the person as "younger" because the man looked younger than she was.

The younger saw the same person as older because technically, he was older than the teenagers.

Not sure if that comes through the way that I am trying to relay, but I think it's basically about perspective, IMO

 

[Megnut]

Trying to make the point that someone should have heard them, I assume.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847326632291267010

What's the loudness factor of a voice, Atty Baldwin, of a child with a gun trained on her?

JMverymadO

 

[Melted]

Someone up thread claimed that it was stated in opening that the girls were killed with two separate weapons. Is there any source for that?

 

[girlhasnoname]

While I agree with you that it would be foolish of them to release photos of the jurors if seen through say van windows, I'd have no problem with seeing photos of the lower portion of the van arriving at the court house. I would like to think that JG would have seen the photos or video on the devices before deleting the content outright but who knows. If the media can't even report on the van itself, then that is just more secrecy that is over the top imo. MOOOOO.

The Media were all well aware of the Orders. JG is specifically protecting the identity of the jurors, that's why they tarped off a specific area for them to enter and exit. What sensible reason would they have to be taking pictures or reporting on the jury van????

It's really simple, don't do what you've been told not to do or suffer the consequences. I learned that in Elementary School, you'd think professionals would be better than that.

JMO

 

[photographer4]

we are like 2 hours in to a trial that is i think i read supposed to take a month. we know nothing yet. and the way it's going, we aren't going to know much until the final verdict.

I think even then we're going to know next to nothing because I'm not sure the Prosecution has it entirely right here. mooo

 

[otto]

Uh, then why did the LE put them out to the media in the first place? I'm confused?

Sketches are an investigative tool, trial is for evidence of guilt. Investigative tools are not evidence.

 

[iamshadow21]

The Media were all well aware of the Orders. JG is specifically protecting the identity of the jurors, that's why they tarped off a specific area for them to enter and exit. What sensible reason would they have to be taking pictures or reporting on the jury van????

It's really simple, don't do what you've been told not to do or suffer the consequences. I learned that in Elementary School, you'd think professionals would be better than that.

JMO

Yeah, it's kid's stuff, and these are adults, professionals. It's the kid on the naughty step lifting everything but the tiniest bit of his butt off. It's the kid encroaching into his sibling's space but not quite touching them. You tell kids off, rightly, for that nonsense, and they know exactly why.

MOO

 

[tlcya]

Uh, then why did the LE put them out to the media in the first place? I'm confused?

to generate possible leads from the public. Which was successful. Leads and possible "matches" for the sketches poured in if I recall.

 

[Emma Peel]

For me, it matters not if folks speculated incorrectly over the last 7.5 years.
I'm just sayin'.
This case, this trial is important.
But our guesses and opinions and speculations over the years ... have NEVER been important.
JMHO and perspective.

 

[susane7]

What's the loudness factor of a voice, Atty Baldwin, of a child with a gunned trained on her?

JMverymadO

I think what he tries to imply was Libby was loudness but as she did what the BG ordered without answering, so the bridge guy was someone she was familiar with? I know that make 0 sense especially when we had a guy with a gun but I can't think in any other reason about why he asked that. I hate if that the route the defense will take.