Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #204

[Warwick7]

Wow. This is even more interesting than the comments he apparently made at the house.

“I don’t care, kill me, I want to die anyway.”

If you didn’t do it, then I’d expect someone in that situation to be angry and terrified. I wouldn’t expect them to be throwing in the towel.

Even if one argues that his reputation is destroyed and that’s why he’s saying that, wouldn’t your freedom be a much more important concern?

Yes, and this has nothing to do with RA sitting in a cell with no windows or the fact that H was bigger than him as the defense might try to pull.

 

[INfisherman]

Why confess to shooting the girls and killing his parents and his non existent grandchildren if reports are to be believed?

Personally I hope all 60 odd of the confessions are read to the jury and they can decide if they are valid.

If this is what the state is relying on I’d be worried IMO.

Read up on the Jill Behrman case. Completely circumstantial evidence, no murder weapon & guy is still in prison. Other people admitted to hitting her on her bike & she was still alive so they stabbed her & dumped her body in Salt Creek. They were never arrested because that was later found out not to be true, after a massive search & damming up of the creek. Her body was found by hunters later somewhere else.

ETA autocorrect mistake

 

[Bbgiraffe]

All the witnesses need to do is convince the jury they all saw BG.

Then the P can prove that the ONLY male up there on the bridge with the girls was RA. So that means RA=BG, imo.

I think logically we can see that RA = BG

Even if he says he was there at 12:30-1:30 instead of 1:30-3:30, the group of kids that saw him easily refute that since their photo of the high bridge is time stamped 12:43pm and they said they walked the entire trail and only saw one person. Sometime after their photo near the bench time stamped 1:26p. And that person was headed toward the high bridge not the other way. It is a real stretch that that one person wasn't RA.

 

[katydid23]

Why confess to shooting the girls and killing his parents and his non existent grandchildren if reports are to be believed?

He did not confess to killing his family. Read the context. He was referring to his guilt and regret over his own actions, and how it damaged his family life, essentially 'killing' his family.

People use the word 'kill' symbolically not literally quite often.

He was speaking to his therapist, Dr Wala. She was trying to talk him out of being suicidal, and saying his family loved him, needed him etc...his response was he didn't deserve to live because he killed his family with his actions...

Did Dr Wala believe he was actually confessing to murdering his family? NO, she didnt call 911 or do a welfare check. She knew he was not speaking literally.

Personally I hope all 60 odd of the confessions are read to the jury and they can decide if they are valid.

If this is what the state is relying on I’d be worried IMO.

They will probably play the audios of some of his confessions. If they are genuine confessions the D should be worried, IMO.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

But why confess more than 60 times to dozens of people if he was not guilty?

Same reasons- substance misuse/ mental illness /emotional instability would be first guesses- in my opinion…

 

[AugustWest]

It will be a battle & the D is going to pull some doozies for objections, I’m sure.

Was skimming through their motion to have Holeman’s interview thrown out & a couple of reasons they listed were:

• RA was in a small enclosed room with no windows
• RA was in a closed room with no windows & the door closed.
• RA is physically smaller than Holeman (this one made me laugh)

If alleged interview responses from RA were true, he didn’t seem to mind it too much when he was dropping his f-bombs, getting puffy & telling Holeman to leave his wife out of it.

ETA dancing bulleting

Those objections were made to delineate the time at which the interview moved from non-custodial to custodial, which is important for Miranda purposes.

 

[Bergmann]

All the witnesses need to do is convince the jury they all saw BG.

Then the P can prove that the ONLY male up there on the bridge with the girls was RA. So that means RA=BG, imo.

I think logically we can see that RA = BG

Respectfully I don’t see it that way.

If I’m a juror and the prosecution is saying that RA = BG and a bunch of state witnesses describe somebody that patently does not resemble the accused then that is going to be difficult to overcome.

Proving that there were no other males on the bridge or in that area is a tough task to prove beyond all reasonable doubt IMO.

The state has a difficult case IMO without any direct evidence or circumstantial evidence which doesn’t require a certain amount of assumption. JMO.

As I keep repeating - I am awaiting the ‘gotcha’ evidence that goes beyond the PCA.

 

[INfisherman]

I don’t want to pick on any individuals but I find it interesting no matter how many times something is pointed out, and logical, some just keep beating the same dead horse over & over when in the end it doesn’t matter - it’s in the jury’s hands. This goes for P & D supporters. Important to note, I’m saying it’s interesting, nothing more.

And trial outcomes aren’t proof or fact of anything, really. If they were, no innocent people would end up convicted. There is no proof or fact, per se - it’s a jury’s decision, they believed or didn’t believe the evidence presented to them.

100% MOO

 

[Bergmann]

play the audios of some of his confessions.

I would be very disappointed if they didn’t play all the confessions.

 

[Elley Mae]

"I understand you’re doing your job," she told Baldwin, according to FOX 59. "I saw a man on the side of the road with mud and blood, and that’s that."

Delphi murders trial: 'Bridge Guy' emerges as new crime scene evidence presented

Here are the top takeaways from Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen's trial so far. Allen is accused of killing Libby German and Abby Williams in 2017 on a trail in Indiana.

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Pic here. Was it ever said why BG left leg was blurred?

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/delphi-native-reflects-on-abby-libbys-legacy-in-town/

 

[katydid23]

Same reasons- substance misuse/ mental illness /emotional instability would be first guesses- in my opinion…

So the first guesses would be mental illness or substance abuse?

What if you add in the facts that he was actually on the bridge dressed just like the guy in the BG video, at the same time as the kidnapping? So he was actually there, owns the same type of gun, and his car was seen parked there---and he confessed over 60 times----but the first explanation for his confessions would be because he was mentally unwell and had substance abuse problems?

What are the chances that another explanation could be added to his substance abuse and mental health issues? Could we also say that it's possible his mental health problems, alcohol problems, and his being on the bridge when the girls were kidnapped, ADD TO THE PROBABILITY the confessions were genuine?

 

[gremlin444]

If there was a second person, that doesn’t clear BG.

I find that insanely unlikely, as the crime scene didn’t require it, and shows no evidence of it. That recovered unspent round found on the ground indicates to me the efforts of one man trying to control two girls.

I think that if a person's concern about saying guilty for this case is because there is nil to nearly nil DNA evidence (heck, any evidence other than the cartridge) because how could someone do that and leave nothing....then they can't also believe that there were multiple assailants where the girls were found. If it's amazing that one person didn't leave DNA, then it beyond belief that out of multiple assailants none of them left any evidence. *shrug*

 

[Myvice]

I haven't followed this case as well as I usually do but I have a question. Wasn't it just the witness that saw BG walking on the road bloody and muddy that didn't describe his clothing accurately? I was thinking she said tan pants. If so, I would find that understandable because the mud could appear tan. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I would be very disappointed if they didn’t play all the confessions.

They can't play them all because not all 60 were recorded. Some were confessions made to other inmates or to guards or to his therapist. There are video of some of those but no audio recordings. It will be witness testimony I suppose.

I don't know how reliable they will turn out to be---inmates are not always reliable or believable testimonials.

I think the most important one will be the taped confessions to his wife and mother. IMO

 

[Cota332]

Pic here. Was it ever said why BG left leg was blurred?

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/delphi-native-reflects-on-abby-libbys-legacy-in-town/

I don't believe the photo was intentionally altered/blurred. Very likely it was just a mixture of camera shake due to a photo taken quickly/inconspicuously, and the fact like parents aren't likely to buy the latest and greatest camera phones for their teens.

 

[KSwizzle]

They can’t even pin it to his exact gun, it could be from multiple sauer’s of that variation

I don’t know I just want whoever it is to go away

 

[Arkay]

As I keep repeating - I am awaiting the ‘gotcha’ evidence that goes beyond the PCA

I agree with your contention that it’s difficult to prove there were no other men on the bridge at the time, as it’s true that it’s difficult to prove a negative.

Nevertheless, no one saw any other man, so to me it’s plausible that he is the only one who was there.

For me, the “gotcha” evidence is already in play. That would be Libby’s video of BG.

I’m certain that BG didn’t know she’d recorded him, or he would’ve destroyed or hidden her phone, rather than leave it behind.

IMO she caught her killer, and to me that face, body and apparel equal RA.

That, plus his bullet lying between the girls’ bodies when he claimed he didn’t have his gun with him nor did he loan it to anyone.

JMO

 

[Bergmann]

I think the most important one will be the taped confessions to his wife and mother. IMO

I’ll have to take your word for it as I haven’t heard these in full.

I stand by my impression that there is a lot riding on the confessions for the prosecution. How convinced the jury will be we will have to wait and see.

 

[katydid23]

I would be very disappointed if they didn’t play all the confessions.

Also, could you do me a favour?---maybe just a forum etiquette request---when you reply and 'quote' my posts---could you either include my entire post, OR say snipped....because it makes my posts look questionable or inadequate if there is just one out of context snippet...thanks

 

[Cota332]

IMO, this case hinges solely on the confessions. Everything else is really just circumstantial.