Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #205

[photographer4]

And how they wrote 57 Franks Memos, 4 really, to get the evidence from the Search Warrant tossed. Why, if you're so sure that your client is factually innocent, what could be found in a SW that would have you in such a panic?

MOO

I would have made the same motions if I were his lawyer. I don't believe they had enough to get the search warrant in the first place but I also worry that the bullet could easily confuse the jury. Many of us here disagree as to whether the testimony from the State's expert about the bullet was useful or not - if I were RA's lawyer, if I thought I could get that evidence tossed, I'd try to do that regardless of his guilt or innocence just to make one less hurdle for RA to overcome in the eyes of the jury. MOOO.

 

[Dhighsmith]

Ohhh ok, not from testimony. Thank you, just from another defense filing, which I have no confidence in at all, that it's the truth. MO

Exactly!

 

[Salah11]

so now the tire wheels of his are mass produced so it doesn’t mean anything

Of course all these coincidences that point to his guilt should be waved away as a conspiracy

Moo

 

[WildHuncher]

I just wanted to point something out here that a lawyer pointed out to me... just because LE did not locate the phone that RA had on him when he was at the bridge that day does not mean that RA does not have it. He is not required to provide it to them. You'd think that if there had been anything worrisome on it though he wouldn't have handed it to Mr. Dullin when they met in the parking lot imo. I don't find it all that weird that LE didn't find the device - perhaps they missed it or perhaps RA lost it or traded it in or whatever. Its really not that odd so much as unfortunate if he doesn't still have access to it and it could have potentially helped clear him. MOOOO.

But he should WANT to provide it. Is he enjoying this? Does he like confinement? Is jeopardy (not the game show) delicious? It will exonerate him!

Unless he knows it won’t. What pictures and videos are / were on there?

 

[Cota332]

Isn’t most evidence subject uncertainty? Otherwise juries wouldn’t be instructed the behind a reasonable doubt but rather, we want you to be certain. Doesn’t matter what we say or think. We could all be in agreement that the accused is innocent & the jury could still render the opposite verdict.

The P had 2 years to vet how many black Foci were in a radius of Delphi. They didn’t present enough additional evidence to pad that particular point, that I am aware.

ETA JMO

IMO, I believe he is guilty and that we will get a conviction.

All I'm saying is that the evidence presented so far is circumstantial, and that I really hope the direct evidence they present later will be enough to calm doubts for the jury.

History has shown us that in the absence of direct evidence, cases have still managed to secure convictions.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Sbm

The 'spokes' evidence is moot imo due to those exact spokes being mass produced by Ford for that make/model/year vehicle; meaning that it's a fairly common vehicle configuration.

Also, the 'bullet at the crime scene is consistent with his gun' is also moot imo, because they were unable to trace that bullet to HIS firearm, just the make and model. Further, the crime lab stated that they HAD to fire a gun in the lab to reproduce the same marking on the bullet, as they were unable to reproduce it by 'racking the firearm' so to speak, as 'racking' would've been the cause of the marks on the bullet at the scene on the crime.

All the other owners of the other similar cars are not suspects in the murders, surrounded by stacks and stacks of circumstantial evidence.
It is the totality of the evidence that points to RA.
No other Ford Focus owners have confessed 60+ times to these murders.

 

[photographer4]

But he should WANT to provide it. Is he enjoying this? Does he like confinement? Is jeopardy (not the game show) delicious? It will exonerate him!

Unless he knows it won’t. What pictures and videos are / were on there?

I do agree - you'd think that if he still had access to the device and there was nothing of evidentiary value on it, he'd have advised his legal team and they'd have been able to help get him cleared. However, my point still stands - just because this hasn't happened, doesn't mean there was anything of concern on the device at all - it could just be he happened to lose it or trade it in or maybe it was broken so he threw it out. The absence of the device is neither curious nor inculpatory so much as it is perhaps unfortunate for RA imo....

 

[photographer4]

All the other owners of the other similar cars are not suspects in the murders, surrounded by stacks and stacks of circumstantial evidence.
It is the totality of the evidence that points to RA.
No other Ford Focus owners have confessed 60+ times to these murders.

To that end, no other Ford Focus owners have been locked in a prison in the manner in which RA was for as long as he was either... mooo.

 

[Cota332]

All the other owners of the other similar cars are not suspects in the murders, surrounded by stacks and stacks of circumstantial evidence.
It is the totality of the evidence that points to RA.
No other Ford Focus owners have confessed 60+ times to these murders.

LE did not pull records of other Ford Foci in the area, as per the testimony.

ETA : Source

 

[INfisherman]

IMO, I believe he is guilty and that we will get a conviction.

All I'm saying is that the evidence presented so far is circumstantial, and that I really hope the direct evidence they present later will be enough to calm doubts for the jury.

History has shown us that in the absence of direct evidence, cases have still managed to secure convictions.

P said that one day one - nothing shocking about circumstantial evidence here. I would have liked to have seen them bolster it a bit more. They’ve let the D pick tiny holes that could have easily been patched up with redirects. With that said, there is the possibility we aren’t hearing the whole story via the media & the slurpers on YT, given the restrictions.

YMMV JMO

 

[photographer4]

LE did not pull records of other Ford Foci in the area, as per the testimony.

Q: did LE happen to review traffic cams in the general area for the day of the crimes?

 

[INfisherman]

To that end, no other Ford Focus owners have been locked in a prison in the manner in which RA was for as long as he was either... mooo.

Could that be due in part because only one owner of a black Ford Focus said they were there at MHB?

ETA MHB, clarity

 

[fred&edna]

I would have made the same motions if I were his lawyer. I don't believe they had enough to get the search warrant in the first place but I also worry that the bullet could easily confuse the jury. Many of us here disagree as to whether the testimony from the State's expert about the bullet was useful or not - if I were RA's lawyer, if I thought I could get that evidence tossed, I'd try to do that regardless of his guilt or innocence just to make one less hurdle for RA to overcome in the eyes of the jury. MOOO.

I'm confused, why in the world would RA conceal his phone from LE if it contains evidence that exonerates him? Do you think one of his defense lawyers will appear later in trial in a Perry Mason moment exclaiming, "Here's the phone (located 30 seconds ago by a relative) with data showing my client is innocent!"? That wouldn't work and makes no sense... to me, anyway... but I may be missing part of the "theory".

jmo

 

[sunshineray]

Q: did LE happen to review traffic cams in the general area for the day of the crimes?

At the 3-day hearings, I'm not remembering who's testimony, but it was said LE helped eliminated a possible SODDI by looking for their vehicle on traffic cams.

10-7.30.24 8.1.24 Three Day Hearing - Google Drive

drive.google.com

 

[Cota332]

P said that one day one - nothing shocking about circumstantial evidence here. I would have liked to have seen them bolster it a bit more. They’ve let the D pick tiny holes that could have easily been patched up with redirects. With that said, there is the possibility we aren’t hearing the whole story via the media & the slurpers on YT, given the restrictions.

YMMV JMO

It was kind shocking to me tbh.

Based on the headlines, I think we were all under the assumption that they would be able to link RA's firearm to the bullet at the scene definitively. Where the state could've said 'Without a doubt, this bullet came from RA's gun.'

I'm just saying that from before the trial, this seemed like a slam dunk for the prosecution; but my hopes have somewhat deflated since the trial commenced.

 

[photographer4]

Could that be due in part because only one owner of a black Ford Focus said they were there at MHB?

ETA MHB, clarity

Possibly. This is also why I asked if LE reviewed area traffic cams for the day of the crime - is it POSSIBLE that any other cars similar to or matching RA's were in the area that day that could have been considered or investigated? Moo.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

LE did not pull records of other Ford Foci in the area, as per the testimony.

I don’t see how that matters.
Without RA placing himself on the trails and bridge and confirmed by witnesses, that car would have meant nothing moving past the HH.
RA was the suspect for other reasons. None of the other Ford owners were.

Also, we might disagree on the relevance of his car but huge props for using the plural of Focus! Love it!

 

[photographer4]

I'm confused, why in the world would RA conceal his phone from LE if it contains evidence that exonerates him? Do you think one of his defense lawyers will appear later in trial in a Perry Mason moment exclaiming, "Here's the phone (located 30 seconds ago by a relative) with data showing my client is innocent!"? That wouldn't work and makes no sense... to me, anyway... but I may be missing part of the "theory".

jmo

I don't think we're expecting such a dramatic moment - surely if the D had the phone and it could help clear RA, they'd have brought it out by now imo. However, just because they don't have it doesn't automatically make RA guilty imo.

 

[Warwick7]

Yes that was also on TMS. I find it an odd answer for an innocent man. I'm sure there were many other searches done during the many years of investigations and those people's lives are not over, they continued. I think it may have been the shame he was facing and that he brought upon his family that he was worrying about. He knew he was guilty and everyone's lives would change because of his actions. Basically, he knew he'd been caught, reckoning day was here. AJMO

Great post! I'm glad you added "knew he'd been caught."

With the, moo, oversize pants, two sweatshirt/coats, a cap on and a face covering...he probably assume no way no how would anyone recognize him. I really feel he thought he'd do this sick thing and no one would be the wiser.

Except....Libby had a video. Something he never calculated in.

He brought shame on his family and that shame worried him. And I agree with you too he knew everyone's lives would change because of....getting caught.

His <modsnip> murdering them didn't warrant shame and guilt. It was getting caught that did.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

surely if the D had the phone and it could help clear RA, they'd have brought it out by now imo. However, just because they don't have it doesn't automatically make RA guilty imo.

And just because they haven’t produced it (for no known reasons) doesn’t mean they don’t have it and/or it’s not going to come to play in the defense- at this point nothing would surprise me- maybe they have records from a third party app or his stick company that shows he logged in in his phone and then again from his home computer to back up his timeline

Don’t personally think that they still have the phone- but I’d asked the same question a couple days ago if it was a possibility and they hadn’t disclosed it yet-

I wish the early investigation had been more thorough and the case had more physical evidence - moo