Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #205

[steeltowngirl]

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Personally I don't feel it appropriate to try to explain away things that are inconvenient on the basis of just 'they're biased' alone. It could be argued the same for any other source, MS included but IMO that's not helpful to building a better understanding of evidence.

Fair enough. Equally fair: I don’t feel it’s appropriate to try to explain away things that are inconvenient by insinuating evidence has been manipulated by LE or prosecution.

jmo

 

[rez125]

I will ammend this to say Lawyer Lee could have possibly heard 1:39 p.m. as the drop off time in court. I wasn't there.

However, RA's PCA clearly states it was 1:49 p.m.

The steps Libby was taking before 1:49 p.m. was obviously taken before she got in Kelsi's car to head to High Bridge.

If it were a mistake surely she gets the benefit of the doubt. As another poster made mention, JG has only allowed handwritten notes to be taken and these lawyers are hearing a lot of information. LL may not have had the PCA in front of her when giving the recap.

 

[rez125]

Fair enough. Equally fair: I don’t feel it’s appropriate to try to explain away things that are inconvenient by insinuating evidence has been manipulated by LE or prosecution.

jmo

If this is in reference to the video it has been stated during testimony it has been enhanced by LE.

Still doesn't explain how BG was so far away when the girls were near the end of the bridge.

 

[SouthEnd]

So this just made me think about something, I’m in no way stating this as proof that he was checking his stocks but I find it interesting.

I personally will check crypto charts if it’s a particularly green or red day no matter where I am, I could be on a scenic walk or at home and if the markets are moving heavy in either direction I’ll be watching them.

On February 13, 2017

“Benchmarks scaled fresh highs on Friday and registered their third successive weekly gains on President Trump’s promise to unveil a new tax plan. As a result of these announcements, the S&P 500 logged its fourth consecutive session of gains, closing at a record level for the second straight occasion. In fact, all the four major U.S. stock indexes including the Dow, the S&P 500, the Nasdaq and the Russell 2000 registered record closing highs, marking the first ‘grand slam’ in two months. The Dow climbed on the back of gains made by Caterpillar Inc. (CAT) and Nike, Inc. ( NKE) which increased by 2.5% and 1.7%, respectively.”

Stock Market News for February 13, 2017

Benchmarks scaled fresh highs on Friday and registered their third successive weekly gains on President Trump’s promise to unveil a new tax plan.

finance.yahoo.com

Most lies have a seedling of truth in them. Imagine if someone asks you what you were doing on at 3pm three days ago, a day you remembered a really intense story breaking in the news. You'd probably remember that story, even if it wasn't what you were watching at 3pm.

I do believe RA had an interest in the stock market, and maybe he was sitting in his car at some point that morning in Peru, watching the ticker. And then when trying to find a good lie, that's the first thing that springs to mind.

All MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

I wish it were going to be that way (when the verdict is read) but IMO too many questions remain unanswered for there to be no doubt, regardless of what the verdict might be. Very tough case & the 6 year lapse & sideshows that went on prior to the trial didn’t help much either.

The jury can only decide to convict or acquit, beyond a reasonable doubt. I will never know for an absolute fact who killed Libby or Abby. None of us will. Only the victims and whoever took their lives will know for certain. And the victims can’t tell us. They are dead. They lost their voice, they lost everything when their lives were taken.

What they do have left, legally, is justice.
That’s why I’m here.

jmo

 

[steeltowngirl]

If this is in reference to the video it has been stated during testimony it has been enhanced by LE.

Still doesn't explain how BG was so far away when the girls were near the end of the bridge.

It is in reference to your post suggesting the video has been manipulated to make it sound like a "man" has said words.

 

[INfisherman]

Why didn't he just state what time he carried out the autopsies in addition to the 41 hours?

RSBM

I can’t believe I have to use the word allegedly regarding testimony due to the potential media messes out there but….

Allegedly he didn’t make a statement, he answered a question asked to him by the P.

Rozzi said that during deposition on Feb. 27, 2024, Kohr said the girls had been dead between 24 and 48 hours.
Kohr said that the biggest challenge they face in forensics is determining the time of death. Kohr said he didn't see crime scene photos until 2024 and couldn't determine the time of death based on the photos.

Kohr said he could not give a precise time of death for the girls.
Luttrell asked if their bodies were consistent with dying 41 hours before the autopsy.
Kohr said, "Yes."

'I don't know' | Investigator describes unexplained gap in data from Libby's phone | Day 5 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

 

[rez125]

It is in reference to your post suggesting the video has been manipulated to make it sound like a "man" has said words.

Multiple sources who watched it could make neither heads or tails of the audio we've been told was said.

What does enhanced mean exactly?

 

[girlhasnoname]

I hope we get to his confessions in the next few days to really cement his guilt.

It’s obviously him, of that I have no doubt, but we just need a few more nails in his coffin.

Oh it's coming @Salah11, I believe the State has saved the best for last and will tie it up nicely with a bow when their case in chief is complete.

I believe they had to lay out the basic foundation first, and now they'll be able to cement RA's guilt, especially by his own words and actions, along with remaining testimony by others. They still have key witnesses to call to the stand.

Ultimately, who better to prove RA guilty than RA himself by his own admissions??? I'm still confident in the State's case and Truth and Justice for Abby, Libby and their families. They are the true victims in this horrible story of depraved cruelty.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

As always, JMO

 

[MiniMoo]

I'm saying the entire video has been played with. The BG is much further away from where the girls were when AW was seen running at the end of the bridge. Seconds later is when the audio that's been described as "down the hill" was "heard".

How did he get across the bridge so quickly to catch up to them?

Did he sprint across it? All I've heard is it's a trecherous bridge and you've gotta look down when moving across it.

Andrea B

Has more or less said in a few places...

Two versions were shown of the same video only the audio in both wasn't the greatest.

According to her the original video is mostly facing the ground and is very shaky and all over the place as it seems like Libby may have been trying to film BG, but in a way that wasn't obvious.

I believe Lawyer Lee touched on this as well so forgive me as going through hours and hours of videos can sometimes mix things up a little from time to time.

Anyhow, BG wasn't really noticeable to anyone as he is in the far distance and like Abby appears for like a second or two.

The second video is enhanced and looks like it has been worked over with AI tools and effects.

It is totally different to the original one.

Audio in both versions wasn't the greatest, but with the second one it was an improvement on the first.

JMO MOO JMT

Link: Andrea B : BG Video (Trial)

 

[INfisherman]

Multiple sources who watched it could make neither heads or tails of the audio we've been told was said.

What does enhanced mean exactly?

Per google, intensify, increase, or further improve the quality, value, or extent of.

IMO it usually doesn’t imply something negative.

MOO

 

[shonyakay]

Here's what I've found. By Kelsi's own testimony, she dropped them off at 1:40pm.
By Cecil's own report, Libby's phone recorded steps at 1:31pm.
I can make no sense of the above.

Here's what I have so far:
[snips]
"Kelsi said she didn’t learn her sister was missing until 4 p.m. She had dropped the girls off at 1:40 p.m."
https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/gran...ecalls-day-girls-disappeared-on-delphi-trail/
***
"A chart in Cecil’s report outlined the recorded movement for Libby’s phone on February 13, 2017":

1:31 pm – 2:08 pm – 1,682 steps (707.34 meters)
2:08 pm – 2:18 pm – 414.38 meters
2:25 pm – 2:32 pm – 66 steps (50.64 meters)
2:31 pm – two-floor elevation change
https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he...lood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

It just means basically that these amount of steps were taken between this time and this time. It doesn't mean there are continous steps being taken without gaps.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Multiple sources who watched it could make neither heads or tails of the audio we've been told was said.

What does enhanced mean exactly?

Look for the testimony of forensic examiner Jeremy Chapman for an explanation of ‘enhanced’.

Enhanced would not include manipulation of the voice of a female to sound like a male, as suggested in your post upthread.

jmo

 

[rez125]

RSBM

I can’t believe I have to use the word allegedly regarding testimony due to the potential media messes out there but….

Allegedly he didn’t make a statement, he answered a question asked to him by the P.

Rozzi said that during deposition on Feb. 27, 2024, Kohr said the girls had been dead between 24 and 48 hours.
Kohr said that the biggest challenge they face in forensics is determining the time of death. Kohr said he didn't see crime scene photos until 2024 and couldn't determine the time of death based on the photos.

Kohr said he could not give a precise time of death for the girls.
Luttrell asked if their bodies were consistent with dying 41 hours before the autopsy.
Kohr said, "Yes."

'I don't know' | Investigator describes unexplained gap in data from Libby's phone | Day 5 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

Thanks, I kept reading from news sources about the "41 hours prior".

Seemed odd if they had that number why it wasn't reported anywhere what time the autopsies were carried out, or how long they took.

 

[rez125]

Look for the testimony of forensic examiner Jeremy Chapman for an explanation of ‘enhanced’.

Enhanced would not include manipulation of the voice of a female to sound like a male, as suggested in your post upthread.

jmo

Please point to where I said the voice was changed from female to male. Thank you.

 

[INfisherman]

Thanks, I kept reading from news sources about the "41 hours prior".

Seemed odd if they had that number why it wasn't reported anywhere what time the autopsies were carried out, or how long they took.

It does but given the circumstances with the media limitations, some details will have to wait until we get hands on transcripts I’m afraid.

It’s quite possible it’s been missed by everyone. I’m not criticizing AB but if she doesn’t mention it, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t addressed at some point in time. It’s possible with everyone scribbling to keep up that details were/are missed.

Kind of unbelievable the trial (to us) is turning out like the actual crime & events - just scattered & holes everywhere.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Please point to where I said the voice was changed from female to male. Thank you.

Please explain your meaning from this post.
“I'm suggesting it has been manipulated to make it sound like a "man" has said words.”

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[Boxer]

Was it ever stated that the phone RA showed DD his normal everyday phone? Could it have been a burner phone that wouldn't have been on carrier plan, but rather pay as you go kind of thing?

MOO

True. I wonder what they have pieced together around the phone.

 

[shonyakay]

Please point to where I said the voice was changed from female to male. Thank you.

You did put male in parentheses.

 

[INfisherman]

In hopes of getting to the point of things, can we agree to refer to the alleged suspect on the bridge video as BG please?

ETA I’m going to feed the squirrels for a bit.