Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[justtrish]

Suicidal and homicidal, imo. I truly believe his wife could easily have been his next victim in a murder-suicide, had he not been apprehended.

Miller went on to say Allen said on April 9, 2023, at 6:56 a.m., " I only killed them to give my family more time to be free."

Delphi murders suspect allegedly told psychologist he wanted to apologize to Abby, Libby's families

"I killed Abby and Libby. I am sorry." is what the suspect reportedly told a clinical psychologist while in jail.

abc7ny.com

I think this could be interpreted that leaving witnesses would mean he could be ID'd and caught. Killing them did give his family more time to be free.

 

[Inthedetails]

I wonder how the jurors took it.

Given how grounded they seem to be, I expect they took it as theatrical, unnecessary, and badgering an ordinary citizen whose only involvement was the sound of his vehicle on a road.

Just my hunch.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

Agreed- I think most citizens are not true crime aficionados and that the jury system functions as intended the majority of the time- moo

And perhaps the best remedy for the true-crime conspiracies is that the juries don't know or care.

jmo

 

[Justice101]

Agreed- I think most citizens are not true crime aficionados and that the jury system functions as intended the majority of the time- moo

Yes, all of us here constitute a very small minority.. perhaps 2% of the population.

Most of us would be great jurors.. .but most of us would be excluded from the jury pool due to our intense knowledge from the outside before the trial. JMO

 

[Momofthreeboys]

I wonder how the jurors took it.

Probably curious. They see and hear all the objections, sustains, over rules, postures of witnesses and lawyers ...they hear and see everything. By now they have seen each lawyer's both prosecution and defense's "styles" over the past 2 weeks of the prosecution's case of presenting and asking etc. etc. How they react will be different just as everyone interprets what they see and hear in different ways.

 

[Tortoise]

Apologies - I haven't followed the threads - I've been watching Lawyer Lee and HTC updates - and I've read the last few pages of posts here. Is there a reason posters are mainly focusing on the van but not also on the branches as evidence of perp knowledge? Was the information about the branches widely known at the time of his confessions?

 

[Yemelyan]

Cicero said more or less that Libby may have been dragged 20 feet to her final position - if so I'm wondering were there any noticeable drag marks on the ground, also, was there anything observed on the underside or side of her body indicative of being dragged?

Not seeing anything on that - not yet anyhow.

JMO MOO JMT

Link: Delphi Trial : Cicero

He testified extensively about this in the three day hearing. He said that the backside of Libby's legs/body had transfer blood stains that showed she was dragged through pools of blood. This post has a link to a transcript of his testimony. Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

I think that most MSM articles that were written about the trial focused on the details of the tear vs. this specific evidence.

 

[mrjitty]

I don't think the jury is swayed by what internet conspiracy theorists are spouting.

There is a troubling uptick in absurdities people believe, but I still think that circle is small and most citizens are not even aware of what true-crime community theorizes.

The jury seems very attentive in this case, as evidenced by their questions that are grounded in reality and in the testimony.

I still have faith the jury system.

jmopinion

My concern is not that the jury in this case will be tainted (though I believe that was the goal), but rather that faith in the institutions is destroyed. So far everyone from the two Judges, to law enforcement, to Nick, to the state testing lab, to DOC to a doctor caring for the accused have been accused of being in on it.

The claims about the lady from the testing lab were particularly egregious when you recall that she ruled out LE POI!

MOO

 

[Justice101]

Alright, gotta go out and do some errands. Will check back in a few hours.

can't wait to hear what the phone calls say

 

[helpfulcharlie]

I'm grateful for the details that are coming out -- the confessions, the van interruption, the plan gone awry. There's one missing piece of the puzzle for me. And I don't see that missing piece swaying my opinion that they 100% have the right guy for this. But I guess for my own peace of mind, I'm really curious of how he chose them. Was it purely random? "I'm going to go to the bridge and hunt prey" etc? At one point did he decide that these two girls were his targets? I was hoping his confessions would include something about that, to help make sense of this senseless tragedy.

 

[MassGuy]

Apologies - I haven't followed the threads - I've been watching Lawyer Lee and HTC updates - and I've read the last few pages of posts here. Is there a reason posters are mainly focusing on the van but not also on the branches as evidence of perp knowledge? Was the information about the branches widely known at the time of his confessions?

That's the thing. He had discovery at that point, but we don't know the extent of what he was given. If that included photos of the scene, one would assume that would be the first thing someone like him would look at. It's ballgame if he wasn't aware of that, but not as powerful if he was. Unanswered question at this point.

 

[Tortoise]

That's the thing. He had discovery at that point, but we don't know the extent of what he was given. If that included photos of the scene, one would assume that would be the first thing someone like him would look at. It's ballgame if he wasn't aware of that, but not as powerful if he was. Unanswered question at this point.

Thanks. And I suppose it's not something prosecution can delve into because of lawyer/client privilege.

 

[Shadowtrix]

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Another thing to consider regarding the confessions and details RA would’ve known about the crime (at least I would be if I was the jury) is what, if anything, RA knew simply by reading or participating in conversations about the murders before he was arrested, be it online or not.

Haven’t personally seen anything about his internet searches yet or web history but there’s always the possibility of accounts on websites that perps use that don’t ever end up being linked to them or even located, etc.

 

[mrjitty]

Be interesting to see if RA ever says his confessions were false.

Has he ever claimed that?

 

[Shadowtrix]

Be interesting to see if RA ever says his confessions were false.

Has he ever claimed that?

So far, only when he said he ‘didn’t do all those things’ but he ‘did kill Abby and Libby.’

So, he’s claimed already that some portion of his confessions were false IMO.

 

[BUF]

check out tonight’s in-depth Delphi Debrief with @EmilyWTHR, 13News Legal Analyst Katie Jackson-Lindsay & me. See you tomorrow. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uhGcyI_81CI

In this Daily Debrief, they said that copies of Dr Wala’s notes were handed out to each juror so they could follow along with her testimony. Wonder if they will have these in the jury deliberation room.

They also said when she was being crossed and all that came out about her following the case, one juror had an expression on her face with her mouth open.

 

[AugustWest]

People mistook the bollards that were at the beginning of the trail parking as a being a white car. People also thought they saw men hiding in trees. And puppies in jackets.

The white van in the driveway seen by RA was a different area from the trail entrance.

But, if RA was digging into Red dit posts about the crime, maybe we will learn that from his google searches, if admitted into trial.

jmo

What people thought they saw wouldn't be material to the importance of what was said. If RA relayed in his confession that he saw a corndog with chocolate sauce on it tied to a balloon, and those words were in a chat group that had stated that, then it would be.

 

[arielilane]

I'm grateful for the details that are coming out -- the confessions, the van interruption, the plan gone awry. There's one missing piece of the puzzle for me. And I don't see that missing piece swaying my opinion that they 100% have the right guy for this. But I guess for my own peace of mind, I'm really curious of how he chose them. Was it purely random? "I'm going to go to the bridge and hunt prey" etc? At one point did he decide that these two girls were his targets? I was hoping his confessions would include something about that, to help make sense of this senseless tragedy.

In my amateur opinion he’d been fantasizing about sa with young girl(s) for a very long time and that day decided to act on it. Who knows what he's done in the past and just was never caught? moo

 

[justtrish]

I'm grateful for the details that are coming out -- the confessions, the van interruption, the plan gone awry. There's one missing piece of the puzzle for me. And I don't see that missing piece swaying my opinion that they 100% have the right guy for this. But I guess for my own peace of mind, I'm really curious of how he chose them. Was it purely random? "I'm going to go to the bridge and hunt prey" etc? At one point did he decide that these two girls were his targets? I was hoping his confessions would include something about that, to help make sense of this senseless tragedy.

In one of the recaps I listened to it mentioned he was visiting his mom and his mom and sister were going out to eat lunch and he didn't want to go so he wanted to go home instead. He stopped to get a 6 pack and drank 3 on the way home. He got bundled up and went to the trail. He saw Abby and Libby and he thought they were older like 18-19 and he followed them. He said something like he did realize later they could be younger.

It sounds like to me this was random in how he ended up at the trail and they happened to walk past him and he thought they were older so..

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Apologies - I haven't followed the threads - I've been watching Lawyer Lee and HTC updates - and I've read the last few pages of posts here. Is there a reason posters are mainly focusing on the van but not also on the branches as evidence of perp knowledge? Was the information about the branches widely known at the time of his confessions?

It's being talked about here. He allegedly got a package from the attorneys in the early March. No one knows how much disclosure case file he had at that time other than it was reported that it seems to disturb him and seems to predate his lapse into the severe psychosis or at least that is what I'm reading here based on posts.