Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[Colorado303]

OOOOH! IN Appellate Attorney Cara is on Defense Diaries’ live this afternoon!

 

[Mitch1]

me. If I was there and a possible witness to anything that might be helpful I would have no reason not to volunteer that info to LE. Your question presumes RA is not guilty. MOO

My answer is based on my own moral compass and has nothing to do with RA or this case.

Hhhmm, I do presume he isn’t guilty and I must say I imagine when he volunteered to tell the police he was there that he felt he had nothing to hide

 

[KSwizzle]

why did the defense not attempt to have him evaluated and declared incompetent to stand trial or assist in his own defense if he was flinging and eating his own poo and psychotic?

Just because RA is receiving potentially poor or substandard legal defense doesn't mean he wasn't in a psychotic break and that they potentially should have argued what you're implying, MOO

 

[INfisherman]

It also might be a bit easier on his wife and family if he attacked women not girls. I honestly do NOT think he thought Libby and Abby were older. They look like the two kids they were.

jmo

RA seems to be consistently minimizing things, even when was being interviewed by LE. There but watching fish; if from the girls camera, not him, etc.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

Re: the diagnostic elasticity and the concept of psychosis vs faking it, I don’t see why both can’t be true at differing points. For example:

-in prison, RA underwent a legit significant deterioration in his mental health

-at certain points, he was consciously acting “crazier” than he actually was

-at some point (or more than once) he may have crossed over into actual psychosis for some period of time

I actually think this is extremely plausible, and what frustrates me (among other things) is that it feels like Wala was so close to getting it.


I cannot emphasize enough that this is not my professional opinion, it’s just one scenario that seems reasonable to me.

the other thing i will add from personal experience is you don’t necessarily get a diagnosis on these things for months even in top hospitals let alone a prison.

in regular life it is also much easier because a persons behaviour will be so different to usual. tougher when a guy just got arrested for a brutal double murder.

Finally in my experience you don’t get a neat list of causes in a report. It may be a complete mystery what the cause is or there may be various possibilities.

To me it’s quite plausible that RA developed disordered thinking due to the stress of being caught. That does not mean his statements are false. He may well have been unable to maintain the deception in his disordered state.

What does seem to be true is he was a danger to himself. Again not a great surprise.

MOO

 

[Mitch1]

I would as I would have absolutely zero to hide. I have the upmost respect for the police and believe ultimately they protect society.

I imagine RA thought the same when he volunteered to tell LE he was there

 

[Ravenmoon]

why did the defense not attempt to have him evaluated and declared incompetent to stand trial or assist in his own defense if he was flinging and eating his own poo and psychotic?

Exactly.
I believe that the Prosecution has the right guy.
I actually do believe that he has mental health issues and could have had a psychotic break.
I also believe that that break was singular and caused by his guilt and the fear of being exposed for who he Really Is.
But, what was his mental state during the murders?
I believe that he was an angry, spiteful, perverse man that struck out at 2 people that could not defend themselves
He has said clearly that he wanted to rape them. CLEARLY.
I wish that we could agree that while he is obviously sick, his actions are not to be excused.
He has the chance to live and to see his family, a luxury that neither Abby nor Libby will ever get.

AJMO

 

[MassGuy]

I imagine RA thought the same when he volunteered to tell LE he was there

Well when you actually committed the murders, it's not a good idea to tell LE you were there. Especially when you go on to tell them you were wearing the same clothes as BG, and saw the same people who claim to have seen you.

 

[cbeagle]

So no definitive testimony on phone tracking/activity yet?

Specifically relating to the IMEI that DD took from RA in the initial store parking lot interview?

 

[mrjitty]

There he is. The real Richard Allen, screaming and threatening to kill a guard. So it wasn’t just harsh prison conditions that caused him to act out.

I really don’t get the infantilizing of RA, when we hear he sits in court and laughs.

jmo

i wonder if he will take the stand to tell us if he really did it. i suspect he needs to.

 

[INfisherman]

I've actually been disappointed by the youtubers I thought were the "good ones." Is the ACLU or other such organizations concerned about Allen's trial? Serious question that just occurred to me. IDK.

jmo

Very good logical observation. If one thing may be happening, why isn’t the other? Surely the D, given their past "strategies", could add further distraction by doing so yet it hasn’t occurred that I’m aware. Interesting indeed.

JMO

 

[Mitch1]

Well when you actually committed the murders, it's not a good idea to tell LE you were there. Especially when you go on to tell them you were wearing the same clothes as BG, and saw the same people who claim to have seen you.

I would agree though-if you did commit the murders it’s not a good idea to volunteer you were in the area wearing a blue jacket and jeans.

 

[MassGuy]

So no definitive testimony on phone tracking/activity yet?

Specifically relating to the IMEI that DD took from RA in the initial store parking lot interview?

Nothing, and if we don’t get it I won’t be happy.

I’m sure they can check with the phone carrier and see when that phone was last utilized.

It being missing is one thing, but the timing makes it much more valuable, especially if it is within the general timeframe of the murders.

 

[Salah11]

I imagine RA thought the same when he volunteered to tell LE he was there

No he wanted to get out of the speeding train heading for him as he worked in a public setting and knew he had been seen by multiple people.

It was all self serving!!

 

[Mitch1]

No he wanted to get out of the speeding train heading for him as he worked in a public setting and knew he had been seen by multiple people.

It was all self serving!!

But that’s definitely not why you would self report

 

[girlhasnoname]

oh boy

#UPDATE: About 20 minutes into the afternoon session of the Delphi trial there’s been a hiccup of some kind.Started when Prosecutor McLeland asked the witness about a video of Mr. Allen in the Cass County Jail where he apparently became irate and was banging on his cell door.

The witness, Master Trooper Harshman, viewed the video over lunch. It apparently has Mr. Allen saying “I’m going to kill you” to the guards. Defense Attorney, Brad Rozzi objected, and said the video was not in discovery.There was a sidebar with Judge Gull.

When they returned from their sidebar Judge Gull sent the jury out. It appears as though she is giving the defense team time to review the video. We’ll see what happens next, court reconvenes at 2:15 PM

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852048681190437142

I can't wait to hear the excuses for RA's behavior in the Cass County Jail by all the pro Allen defenders who felt he should have been in there all along. This will be interesting to say the least.

A leopard doesn't change its spots. RA was, is, and would be again (if allowed) a danger to himself and others despite his poor, pitiful me routine. I call a big red penalty flag and I hope the jury sees right through it as well.

As always, JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

So like, how many of y’all who think he is absolutely guilty would (after this case) volunteer that you were somewhere on the same day and time a murdered occurred?

I absolutely would.
If someone is basing their entire opinion of RA’s guilt or innocence on him telling police he had been at the trails, they are willfully closing their eyes to a lot of incriminating evidence.

Opinion

 

[Salah11]

But that’s definitely not why you would self report

Why would I self report I don’t live in the U.S?

He had to explain why he was out there quite clearly. He was just lucky he got an extra 5 years of freedom. It’s a lot more than Poor Libby and Abby got after he finished with them that day.

 

[Ravenmoon]

But that’s definitely not why you would self report

That's apparently why YOU wouldn't self report.
Everyone handles things the way that we see fit, IMO.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Prosecution playing dirty trying to admit evidence that hasn’t been given to defense.

Definitely one of the "dirtier" cases and trials I've read about in a long while.