VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

[arielilane]

Good morning, folks!

I believe there will be a guilty verdict today. jmo

 

[arielilane]

@149Zone7

McLeland says “Libby said someday she is going to help police solve crimes, that’s exactly what she did.”


2:37 PM · Nov 7, 2024

 

[Inthedetails]

Good morning, folks!

I believe there will be a guilty verdict today. jmo

It's after 9am now. They have likely begun their day of deliberations.

jmo

 

[arielilane]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog​

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

wishtv.com

 

[arielilane]

@KylaBRussell

#BREAKING: The jury just arrived to resume their first full day of deliberations in the #Delphi double murders trial.



8:59 AM · Nov 8, 2024

 

[AugustWest]

What recourse does a party have against an attorney if the party believes they have been defamed? Complaint to ABA?

One could file a complaint with the local/State bar association.

The American Bar Association is a voluntary association for attorneys. Membership in its ranks is not necessary to practice law and it has no disciplinary power over attorneys.

 

[Tortoise]

8:57 a.m.: Bus with jurors arrives at Carroll County Courthouse​

9 a.m.: Court in session for Friday​

After five hours of closing arguments and roughly two hours of jury deliberation on Thursday, the jury is scheduled to resume deliberations at 9 a.m. inside the Carroll County Courthouse.

There will be 15 jurors in the room — the 12 who will decide whether Richard Allen is guilty in the murders of Abigail “Abby” Williams and Liberty “Libby” German, along with three alternates.

Deliberations could take hours or days. The 12-member jury (three alternates excluded) must reach a unanimous verdict.

If they have reasonable doubt Allen committed the murders, they are instructed to find him not guilty. If they believe he committed the murders, they are instructed to find him guilty.

If the jury is unable to reach a unanimous verdict, the trial could end in a mistrial.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 19 live blog

Richard Allen is on trial for the murders of Abigail "Abby" Williams and Liberty "Libby" German, with the trial expected to continue through mid-November.

www.wishtv.com

 

[Justice101]

This jury seems very capable and heavily invested in the case.

I'm thinking they will come back with a verdict that is well thought out.

 

[girlhasnoname]

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Pfffft. He looked perfectly healthy and robust in his first arrest photo when he thought he'd gotten off Scott free after 5+ years. Just living his best life hiding in plain sight.

This case wasn't about prison conditions being on trial, it was about the brutal murder of Abby and Libby and the accused Defendant Allen. I'm all for prison reform, but that is not what this was about. Elect leaders or Representatives that will address and change the laws. It's long past due in all States across our Nation, not only Indiana.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: Views outside the Caroll County Courthouse as people wait for a verdict in the #Delphi double murders trial.Most of those chairs have been here since Wednesday.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854886181168656859

 

[Justice101]

I am curious, if anyone on here has actually been on a jury for a murder trial.

If so, can you share some perspective on how it was organized, votes taken, how questions are asked/discussed and how the process works?

 

[arielilane]

@KodyFisherTV

The jury is here and day 2 of deliberation in the Delphi murders trial is underway. There are a lot of people outside the courthouse. Some are making signs supporting Richard Allen. Other signs call for justice for Abby and Libby.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854889609538265291

 

[arielilane]

@RonWilkins2

#Breaking — people camped out on Delphi sidewalks, hoping to get a spot in the courtroom for Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen’s verdict. Jury begins Day 2 of deliberations. Follow trial and verdict @jconline and @indystar

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854874563848319218

 

[steeltowngirl]

Morphew was suing the State for malicious prosecution. Not the attorneys in their individual capacities.

An attorney was disbarred. Different case, of course. Back to the case at hand.

We wait.

 

[gremlin444]

Does anyone know iof a way to sign up on something (app, Twitter, etc) to get an alert when it is announced a verdict is in? I remember for Murdaugh I was able to do it through Court Tv's Twitter, but I'm not seeing how to do that now.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I haven't delved deeply into this case. IMO RA is guilty. However, as I was watching the Netflix documentary about the Zodiac, it got me thinking that I'm surprised that almost nothing has been revealed about Richard Allen as a person IMO. All I know is he had a stable job, he's married with a daughter, and has had depression. For "normal" people, it is so hard to understand why someone will kill someone else, especially children. It is even harder to fathom that some middle class seemingly average guy with no criminal record would do this crime out of the blue. I just think this is human nature, and even though a motive is not required it is important since our minds need a reason.

For me, I thought it was interesting that RA in his confessions mentioned he was sexually molested and he was an alcoholic. This is not a reason to kill people, but it helps my mind try to make sense of a crime that is incomprehensible to me.

My real point was after watching that documentary is I wonder what other things will come to light as the years pass.

(The documentary was around three siblings who loved and admired one of the Zodiac suspects but came to view their relationship differently after he passed.)

Right, the Defense offered up nothing in the way of good ole' Ricky character witness testimony. I believe that was intentional as they didn't want to open the door to the State to refute with negative character testimony. I bet we hear about things after the verdict.

We know next to nothing about RA except he was a loner, worked at CVS, liked to play pool at the local pub, and often sat out in his driveway drinking a beer after work.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

13 Things To Know From The #Delphi Murders Trial Today - Nov 7


1. Jurors heard closing arguments today. Kudos to the State & Defense for not taking the full 5 hours allotted by the judge for their closing statements. Nick McLeland took 58 minutes, Brad Rozzi took 77.


2. The State went first. Prosecutor Nick McLeland methodically & chronologically laid out his case for the jury. He again showed jurors graphic crime scene photos & the enhanced Bridge Guy video captured on Libby’s cellphone as the State established its timeline of the murders.


3. McLeland said Richard Allen acknowledged being near the murder scene at the time of the crimes, wore the same clothes as seen in the Bridge Guy video & owned the gun that, according to lab tests, cycled an unspent bullet found near the bodies. All of it led to Allen’s arrest.


4. “That could have been all we had to present to you but it’s not,” McLeland the jurors, as he then discussed Allen’s many jailhouse confessions. The jury got to again hear two of the most compelling phone confessions in which Allen repeatedly stated that he killed Abby & Libby.


5. McLeland reminded jurors the incriminating phone calls were “unprovoked, unpressured & of RA’s own free will.” He also said Allen was not psychotic at the time of the confessions & shared info in some confessions that only the killer would know. Then he summarized his summary:


6. “Now all the pieces are together,” McLeland told jurors. “RA is Bridge Guy… he kidnapped them and later murdered them. He slit their throats… He stole the youth & life away from Abby & Libby.” He asked jurors to find Allen guilty on all 4 murder counts facing the defendant.




7. The Defense closing argument wasn’t as linear as the State’s but still effective.
Rozzi said he’d discuss 5 themes:
-A broken timeline
-Bumbled ballistics
-False confessions
-Digital forensics
-What the State didn’t want jurors to hear

He said the last one was most important.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854745525075001737

8. Rozzi pointed to many things the State never brought up that the Defense had to introduce instead, accusing prosecutors of misleading jurors with cherrypicked evidence & testimony that lacked context & completeness. Rozzi said the State tried to hide the truth from the jury.



9. He said that truth includes faulty ballistics testing that linked Allen’s gun to the crime scene, witness descriptions of Bridge Guy that don’t match RA, & horrible prison conditions in solitary confinement that led to Allen’s psychosis-induced false confessions.


10. Rozzi saved his harshest criticism for how the State treated Allen in prison & its claims that RA wasn’t psychotic while making false confessions. He invited jurors to listen more closely to the confession calls as RA’s statements evolve from “I did it” to “Maybe I did it.”


11. Rozzi also pointed out for jurors what’s missing: NO fingerprints, DNA, digital data or trace materials linking Allen to the bloody crime scene—and NO State witnesses who saw Bridge Guy identified Allen as the man they saw on/near the bridge on the day of the murders.


12. Jurors received instructions from Judge Gull at 1:20—including a reminder that they cannot factor Allen’s decision not to testify in their verdict. Then they deliberated for 2 hrs before going back to their hotel. Deliberations continue Fri at 9:00am. 13News will be there.


13. What verdict will the jury reach? 13News legal analyst Katie Jackson-Lindsay pulls no punches when it comes to that question in tonight’s 13News #Delphi Debrief, where @EmilyWTHR & I go more in depth on Thursday’s closing arguments in Delphi. #wthrhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mis_pUlOR8c

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854762842496352450

 

[Trebor5591]

One could file a complaint with the local/State bar association.

The American Bar Association is a voluntary association for attorneys. Membership in its ranks is not necessary to practice law and it has no disciplinary power over attorneys.

Chat GPT says "In Indiana, the Indiana Supreme Court oversees the licensing and discipline of attorneys. The Indiana Supreme Court Disciplinary Commission is specifically responsible for investigating and prosecuting allegations of attorney misconduct, ensuring that attorneys adhere to the ethical standards required by the state's legal profession. The Commission works under the authority of the Indiana Supreme Court to maintain the integrity of the legal system and protect the public."

 

[minor4th]

IMO
It took took longer for the killer to take those girls across the creek and up the bank than it did for the van to drive to the house.

If the killer was scared by seeing the van, it would have been really brazen to take naked girls to the creek where they could clearly be seen crossing.

That’s a really good point.

 

[Simply Southern]

Absolutely absurd. Two things can be true at the same time. Those conditions were terrible, and Richard Allen murdered two girls.

A guilty verdict has nothing to do with endorsing this behavior. This is off the walls stupid. It’s about Allen’s guilt or innocence, not guilting jurors into finding him not guilty.

I’ll have additional updates in a few hours. For now, here’s a quick quote Brad Rozzi said toward the end of his closing argument when talking about the conditions inside of Westville —

“Rendering a verdict of guilt could be endorsing this behavior."

@WISHNews8 #RichardAllen #RichardAllenTrial

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854655925078126909

Lawyer Lee discussed and reminded, last night ...the jury is not there to judge the conditions in prison, they are task with determining if RA murdered L and A.

Moo ...