Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #10 *Arrest*

[MsMarple]

From the Daily Mail:

Dr Sorell also confirmed he was asked to check phone data between 8am and 10am on July 31, 2023.

The expert witness said the phone was detected in Leongatha at 8.52am then Outtrim then back at Leongatha at 9.23am.

Dr Sorell said there was a 'half an hour gap' with no 'evidence where the phone was'.

'(The phone) is consistent of moving south-west of Leongatha, (which) will take the phone into the dominate area of Koonwarra,' he said.

The jury had previously heard evidence Patterson dropped her children at school then presented herself at Leongatha hospital.

Patterson left the hospital against medical advice after telling staff she needed to sort out some things at her Leongatha home (pictured) before being admitted.

The court previously heard Patterson returned to the hospital around 9.48am on July 31.
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Maybe this has to do with the time Erin checked herself out of the hospital and possibly went to dispose of the dehydrator?

 

[sunspun]

Good question, one I can’t answer.

Unfortunately since the trial isn’t being televised we’re at the mercy of the reporters, which isn’t always the clearest. I checked the Daily Mail updates and found nothing. Maybe it’ll get cleared up after lunch?

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

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Maybe she went to see if she could find more death caps, with self harm in mind.

 

[MsMarple]

Maybe she went to see if she could find more death caps, with self harm in mind.

I haven’t seen anything indicating that Erin would consider self harm. In fact her behavior so far points to a very strong sense of self preservation and prioritizing herself over others. JMO of course.

 

[Yh5r]

I haven’t seen anything indicating that Erin would consider self harm. In fact her behavior so far points to a very strong sense of self preservation and prioritizing herself over others. JMO of course.

Agreed. Also death caps seem to cause horrible suffering and death. Highly unlikely that someone would choose them to suicide.

Maybe EP tried to find more death caps for the next lunch with Simon..

 

[Two SCents]

From the Daily Mail:

Dr Sorell also confirmed he was asked to check phone data between 8am and 10am on July 31, 2023.

The expert witness said the phone was detected in Leongatha at 8.52am then Outtrim then back at Leongatha at 9.23am.

Dr Sorell said there was a 'half an hour gap' with no 'evidence where the phone was'.

'(The phone) is consistent of moving south-west of Leongatha, (which) will take the phone into the dominate area of Koonwarra,' he said.

The jury had previously heard evidence Patterson dropped her children at school then presented herself at Leongatha hospital.

Patterson left the hospital against medical advice after telling staff she needed to sort out some things at her Leongatha home (pictured) before being admitted.

The court previously heard Patterson returned to the hospital around 9.48am on July 31.
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Maybe this has to do with the time Erin checked herself out of the hospital and possibly went to dispose of the dehydrator?

She dumped the dehydrator on Wednesday, August the 2nd

 

[MsMarple]

It’s so frustrating that we’re not able to hear witness testimony directly.

 

[Jess D]

Maybe she went to see if she could find more death caps, with self harm in mind.

I doubt it. There are easier ways to go out than the agony of consuming death caps.

 

[Marg944]

The cellular towers near Poowong…..

 

[MsMarple]

Erin Patterson's lawyers question trips to mushroom spots — as it happened

The triple murder trial of Erin Patterson continues in the Latrobe Valley Law Courts in Morwell. She's accused of murdering three relatives by serving them a meal that contained death cap mushrooms.

www.abc.net.au

We return from lunch​

By Judd Boaz​

Colin Mandy SC continues with questioning of telecommunications expert Matthew Sorell.

He continues where he left off, underlining that EBM data can change an expert's opinion.

To illustrate, Mr Mandy states that Dr Sorell could not determine whether Erin Patterson's phone had likely travelled to Outtrim based on call records alone, and required the EBM data to corroborate this fact.

Dr Sorell agrees.

Mr Mandy then points out again that Dr Sorell only had access to EBM records for around 20 or so days in question.

 

[MsMarple]

Key Event
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Crucial time window in Outtrim examined​

By Judd Boaz​

A crucial window of time on the morning of May 22, 2023 between 11:18 and 11:42am is again raised.

Ms Patterson's phone hooked in to the Outtrim base station almost exclusively for 25 minutes.

However, Mr Mandy highlights times on either side of the period where the phone checked into Foster North base station, 36kms away, and Mirboo North 38 kms away.

He asks Dr Sorell whether, given the the ability for phones to connect to other base stations, it was possible that the phone never entered the Outtrim area at all.

Dr Sorell says the suggestion is predicated on a vast number of factors, but concedes it is theoretically possible.

 

[MsMarple]

Defence attempts to throw doubt over visit to Loch​

By Judd Boaz​

Mr Mandy takes the same tack with Erin Patterson's alleged visit to the Loch area, on the same morning of May 22.

On Monday, Dr Sorell told the court Ms Patterson's phone connected consistently to a Loch South base station for about 43 minutes.

Mr Mandy says while the data records showed it was connected to the Loch South base station, it could theoretically have connected from outside the area.

"You can't exclude the possiblity that it was somewhere else and connecting to those base stations?" Mr Mandy asks.

"Yes."

 

[Scuffy35]

He asks Dr Sorell whether, given the the ability for phones to connect to other base stations, it was possible that the phone never entered the Outtrim area at all.

Dr Sorell says the suggestion is predicated on a vast number of factors, but concedes it is theoretically possible.

This seems to be going badly for the prosecution. I don't know why we are not hearing about triangulation from the base stations, like we have in other cases. Am I missing something?

Also seems a mistake that they did not get a dump or all EBM data records for those couple of years AND that Dr Sorell did not ask for it either. IMO

 

[BreakingNews]

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how I imagine that scenario playing out. I shouldn't be facetious but I swear they take 1000 breaks

How bad do you think it is for the jury. Up and down, and shut in a small room with bickies and tea and coffee. When I was a juror in a murder trial we played lots of naughts and crosses and looked longingly out the window towards mountains. Waiting, waiting... Until deliberation time.

 

[MsMarple]

This seems to be going badly for the prosecution. I don't know why we are not hearing about triangulation from the base stations, like we have in other cases. Am I missing something?

Also seems a mistake that they did not get a dump or all EBM data records for those couple of years AND that Dr Sorell did not ask for it either. IMO

I’m not worried at this point. Something being “theoretically possible” doesn’t equate to it being probable, or rather more probable than the expert’s educated conclusions.

Hopefully the jurors are able to keep up and if not then yes, it’s the prosecution’s job to clarify the conclusions. IMO

 

[MsMarple]

Swapping phones raised by defence​

By Judd Boaz​

After a brief discussion of more topography, Mr Mandy jumps to a completely different topic: people using different mobile phones.

Mr Mandy lists some of the more obvious reasons someone might change their SIM card or mobile phone; reasons such as upgrading to a new model, repairing a broken phone and exchanging phones with a family member.

In their opening argument, the prosecution alleged Erin Patterson utilised two phones and two SIM cards in the days surrounding the lunch.

 

[MsMarple]

Yet another map of mobile phone base stations​

By Judd Boaz​

Mr Mandy finishes, leaving the floor for the prosecution to re-examine Dr Sorell.

They use the opportunity to bring up yet another topological map of the area around Gippsland.

After yet another brief clarification of how base stations might override each other, we take yet another break.

There will be yet more testimony from Dr Sorell after this.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Maybe she went to see if she could find more death caps, with self harm in mind.

Having seen what suffering there is when poisoned by death caps, I can't see any part of her wanting to go the same way.

 

[BreakingNews]

Good question, one I can’t answer.

Unfortunately since the trial isn’t being televised we’re at the mercy of the reporters, which isn’t always the clearest. I checked the Daily Mail updates and found nothing. Maybe it’ll get cleared up after lunch?

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Sadly, in Australia, trials aren't televised.

 

[MsMarple]

Range and angles of reception charted​

By Judd Boaz​

Much of the questioning of Dr Sorell has hinged around the potential range, and angles of a mobile phone base tower.

Dr Sorell has indicated on various maps where the base stations in the Gippsland area are, as well as their elevation and the angles they face.

The jury is being led back into the courtroom now as we return from the brea

 

[Sillybilly]

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