Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #10 *Arrest*

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Records show last known locationS​

By Judd Boaz​

Dr Sorell clarifies that the locations listed on the phone records shown to court show where the data connection was last used, rather than where the data connect was started.

He tells the court this is how Telstra data is recorded.

"That location is the last location data was transferred," he says.

He says several situations can end the transfer of data, such as a phone user finishing using the internet, a phone being turned off, or a hard 4.5 hour limit being reached.

The prosecution asks what would happen if a SIM card was removed in the middle of a data connection.

"That's an interesting scenario," he says.

"Interesting things happen when you take a SIM out when a data connection is in session."

He says it would show an end to a data connection, and it would be reflected in the record.

The prosecution has no further questions.

A small murmur goes around the court at the end of Dr Sorell's evidence and he departs the court.
 
Snipped by me

Patterson left the hospital against medical advice after telling staff she needed to sort out some things at her Leongatha home (pictured) before being admitted.

The court previously heard Patterson returned to the hospital around 9.48am on July 31.
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Maybe this has to do with the time Erin checked herself out of the hospital and possibly went to dispose of the dehydrator?


Simon said that after Erin discharged herself from Leongatha Hospital, “she got home, and she said she lay on the floor, and fell asleep for about 45 minutes”. After that, he recalled, she drove herself back to Leongatha Hospital.”


 

Homicide detective called for testimony​

By Judd Boaz​

Detective Senior Constable Khuong Tran, who was tasked with investigating the alleged murder, is next on the witness stand.

Senior Constable Tran says he was tasked with obtaining CCTV footage, including footage of Erin Patterson entering a BP service station on the day after the lunch.

The footage is played to the court.
 

CCTV footage of Erin Patterson's servo stop​

By Judd Boaz​

We’re taken to a service station in Caldermeade, at 3.20pm on July 30, the day after the lunch.

Footage from inside the servo shows Erin’s red 4WD pull up in a spot just near the front door.

The door opens, and Erin can be seen getting out and walking in.

The camera switches to another angle and Erin is seen calmly walking into the service station, past rows of items, and into the toilets.

About 10 seconds later she comes out, and appears to browse some items on a shelf, before taking a peek at other items in a fridge.

She can then be seen standing at the counter before heading out the door and back into her car.

All up, the trip to the servo lasted about three minutes.
 

CCTV footage of Erin Patterson's servo stop​

By Judd Boaz​

We’re taken to a service station in Caldermeade, at 3.20pm on July 30, the day after the lunch.

Footage from inside the servo shows Erin’s red 4WD pull up in a spot just near the front door.

The door opens, and Erin can be seen getting out and walking in.

The camera switches to another angle and Erin is seen calmly walking into the service station, past rows of items, and into the toilets.

About 10 seconds later she comes out, and appears to browse some items on a shelf, before taking a peek at other items in a fridge.

She can then be seen standing at the counter before heading out the door and back into her car.

All up, the trip to the servo lasted about three minutes.
Is the prosecution showing this to substantiate their claim that EP was well while all other 4 people who ate that lunch were very sick and in hospital?

10 seconds for a toilet visit? Maybe disposing of something in the bins or a quick look in the mirror. Don't think any woman could do a toilet visit in 10 seconds, let alone anyone with diarrohea.
 
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CCTV still shown to court​

By Judd Boaz​

The court is now shown still images from some other CCTV footage, which shows Erin Patterson’s red MG vehicle pulling up to the service station and getting out.

In the footage, she is wearing a grey jumper and white pants while carrying a small bag with a crossbody strap.

Ms Warren suggests that Erin Patterson's toilet visit lasted around nine seconds.

Earlier in the trial, the court heard that Ms Patterson had told hospital staff she had suffered vomiting and diarrhoea in the days after the lunch.
 

CCTV still shown to court​

By Judd Boaz​

The court is now shown still images from some other CCTV footage, which shows Erin Patterson’s red MG vehicle pulling up to the service station and getting out.

In the footage, she is wearing a grey jumper and white pants while carrying a small bag with a crossbody strap.

Ms Warren suggests that Erin Patterson's toilet visit lasted around nine seconds.

Earlier in the trial, the court heard that Ms Patterson had told hospital staff she had suffered vomiting and diarrhoea in the days after the lunch.
Nine seconds is barely enough time to pull your pants down!

MOO
 
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4 hours ago
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Eight 'possible visits' to known death cap area​

Digital forensics expert Dr Matthew Sorell has returned to the witness box.
He is being questioned by Crown prosecutor Jane Warren as his evidence-in-chief continues.
Dr Sorell is being shown Erin’s phone records from January 1, 2022, to April 27, 2023, relating to the Loch area, near Leongatha.
He told the court on Monday it was his opinion that the mobile phone made a “possible visit” to Loch on both April 28 and May 22, 2023, after death caps were logged in the area on citizen science website iNaturalist on April 18.
The court heard Dr Sorell would be asked questions about other “possible visits” to the Loch area in the 18 months prior to provide a snapshot of the mobile phone’s movements.
The screens in the courtroom have stopped working, so the jurors have been asked to view the phone records on their iPads.
Dr Sorell confirmed he detected eight “possible visits” by the mobile phone to the Loch area during this 18-month period.

4 hours ago

What Erin's phone records suggest in days after lunch​

Dr Sorell is now being shown Erin’s phone records between 8am and 10am on July 31, 2023, two days after the lunch.
The jury previously heard Erin had presented to Leongatha Hospital at 8.05am on July 31, but discharged herself against medical advice at 8.10am.
She then returned to Leongatha Hospital about 9.50am.
Dr Sorell said the records were “most consistent” with the mobile phone being to the west of Leongatha, although it connected with an Outtrim base station for about three minutes at 8.55am.
He said a visit to the Outtrim area was “not strongly supported” because the records were silent as to the location of the mobile phone after 8.58am.
Dr Sorell said he accepted that movement within a property in Leongatha was consistent with the records, considering it was a fleeting connection to the Outtrim base station.

3 hours ago

What experts found in 'years' of Erin's phone records​

Dr Sorell is now being cross-examined by defence barrister Colin Mandy SC.
He explained to the jury on Monday how communication records or “call charge” records provide basic detail relating to calls, texts and data usage, while “event-based monitoring” (EBM) records provide “more high-level detail”.
He confirmed he had been provided years of call charge records for a phone belonging to Erin, as well as “targeted dates” of EBM records from April and May 2023, relating to the Loch and Outtrim areas.
Mr Mandy asked Dr Sorell whether it was “common” in the years of call charge records he analysed to see the mobile phone switch between two base stations in “quick succession”.
He agreed it was common and said, in those instances, the mobile phone may not have moved, but one base station had “temporarily dominated” over the other.
Mr Mandy also asked Dr Sorell whether he observed instances where the mobile phone appeared to be stationary in Leongatha, but was connecting with base stations in Outtrim or Mirboo North, for example.
“Generally speaking, when those more distant connections occur in a hurry, the phone may not be moving very far away from the Leongatha broad area, but those more distant connections denote some movement … although not large movement,” Dr Sorell said.

2 hours ago

Accused made five possible visits to Outtrim in 18-month period: Expert​

Dr Sorell has been shown a topographical map of the Outtrim area.
The court heard the Outtrim base station was more elevated than the nearby Koonwarra and Leongatha base stations.
Mr Mandy then asked Dr Sorell about Erin’s phone records from January 1, 2022, to May 21, 2023, relating to the Outtrim area.
Dr Sorell told the court on Monday it was his opinion that the mobile phone made a “possible visit” to Outtrim on May 22, 2023, after death caps were logged in the area on iNaturalist on May 21.
He confirmed he detected five “possible visits” to the Outtrim area during this 18-month period.
His cross-examination will continue at 2.15pm.

56 minutes ago

Defence casts doubt on death cap site phone pings​

Dr Sorell has returned to the witness box.
He is being asked about Erin’s phone records from May 22, 2023, relating to the Outtrim area.
Dr Sorell told the court on Monday it was his opinion that the mobile phone made a “possible visit” to Outtrim on May 22, 2023, after death caps were logged in the area on iNaturalist on May 21.
Under cross-examination by defence barrister Colin Mandy SC, Dr Sorell was asked whether the records from May 22 were consistent with the proposition that the mobile phone “moves from Leongatha, down the Bass Highway, heading to Inverloch, and at some point … remains stationary for a period of time.”
But Dr Sorell said the concern he had with that proposition was that, according to the records, the mobile phone did not connect with the Kongwak base station during that journey.
“That’s an anomaly that doesn’t fit with your proposition,” he said.
However, he agreed with Mr Mandy that there was a possibility the mobile phone did not enter the Outtrim postcode area on May 22.
“There are locations outside the Outtrim postcode where this set of records could conceivably come up,” Dr Sorell said.

35 minutes ago

Accused's phone 'definitively' in the Loch area: Expert​

He is now being asked about Erin’s phone records from April 28, 2023, relating to the Loch area.
He told the court on Monday it was his opinion that the mobile phone made a “possible visit” to Loch on April 28, after death caps were logged in the area on iNaturalist on April 18.
He agreed with Mr Mandy that there was no records that show the mobile phone was “definitively” in the boundary of the Loch township.
But he said the records show the mobile phone was certainly to the east of the Loch township.
At one point, the cross-examination paused momentarily.
“Nice little beetle crawling across the microphone,” Dr Sorell told the court.

3 minutes ago

CCTV shows Erin perusing sandwiches at servo day after fatal lunch​

Detective Senior Constable Khuong Tran has been called as the next witness.
He told the court he is attached to the homicide squad and helped investigate this case.
The court heard he obtained CCTV footage from a BP in Caldermeade from July 30, one day after the lunch, which was visited by the accused.
The footage was then played to the jury.
Erin can be seen entering the BP about 3.19pm and walking towards the toilet.
She exits the toilet about 9 seconds after entering.
She can then be seen looking at the sandwiches in the fridge section, before walking over to another area of the service station, which is out of view.
She makes her purchase before leaving about 3.22pm.
In the footage, Erin is wearing a grey sweater, cream pants, black sandals and a black crossover bag.
The jury previously heard Erin had driven her son to his flying lesson in Tyabb, close to Caldermeade, on July 30 before it was cancelled by the instructor.

 
While that maybe true, we should be grateful that we are getting the amount of info we are, quite rare for reporting in Australia in general, especially this far into a trial.

;);)
Yeah, my memories of trials as a kid was five minutes on the evening news or a column in the next day's paper. And only for big trials for important witnesses. Short of being there, these liveblogs are the most detailed recounting we'll get.

I wouldn't trade what we have for an American style system where it's televised and broadcast, but I do appreciate being able to follow local cases more closely than in the past.

MOO
 
if anything I'd hate to be on trial in 2025. where LE can trawl your social media, phone records, internet searches, etc. We also know a lot more and instantaneously than we ever have been able to in history. I feel bad for the accused's kids in that regards; now everyone knows details about their mum they wouldn't normally have access to. IMO
 

Digital forensic expert returns to the stand​

Digital forensic expert Dr Matthew Sorell has returned to the stand.

Patterson’s phone record over 18-month period examined by digital expert​

The court has heard that digital forensic expert Dr Matthew Sorell examined Patterson’s phone records for an 18-month period from

During that period, he identified 57 data connections or mobile network events associated with the Loch area (including its surrounds).

The court has heard eight of those connections were identified as possible visits, while the remaining 49 were consistent with Patterson bypassing the Loch area.

Digital analysis finds ‘possible visit to Outtrim’ in days after the lunch, court hears​

Sorell was also asked to examine Patterson’s phone records on July 31.

The court heard data connection events that morning were recorded as below:

8.31am - A connection to Leongatha base station

8.55am - A connection to Outtrim base station

9.23am - A connection to Leongatha base station


Asked by the prosecution what these phone records suggest, Sorell said the phone records were consistent with phone being west of Leongatha and east of Koonwarra.

“If this were a visit to the Outtrim postcode, it would be to the eastern extremity, and it might not even be that far across at this stage. So it is a possible visit,” he said.

“There is a gap in the data for about half an hour. We don’t have any information where that phone is.

“The trends show the phone has moved westwards. So although this is a possible visit into the Outtrim area, it is limited by how much the phone is able to move (in that timeframe).

“Although there is a possibility (of a visit to Outtrim), it is not strongly suggested by the phone records.”


Defence cast doubt on accuracy of digital analysis​

Dr Matthew Sorell has commenced cross-examination.

Following on from questioning about Patterson’s mobile data activity on July 31, 2023, defence barrister Colin Mandy SC suggested to Sorell that the phone record analysis identifying a possible visit to Outtrim could also be consistent with his client using her phone at her home.

Mandy: “(You said yesterday) the base station that gives you the best service at the front of your house, may not be the base station that gives you the best service at the back of your house.

“Therefore, a movement even within a house is consistent with the evidence you just gave?

Sorell: “It could be, I would need more information (about the location specifics of the house). But I accept that proposition.”

Digital forensic expert accepts Patterson’s mobile location analysis is not conclusive​

Defence barrister Colin Mandy SC has put it to Dr Matthew Sorell that mobile data records are not conclusive.

Mandy: “You said yesterday the best that can be said is that a phone is in a general area, or more convincingly, that a phone is not in a particular area.”

Sorell: “Yes.”

Defence: “So it is easier to disclude the fact a phone has not been in an area, than to conclude a phone has been in a particular area?”

Sorell: “Yes, that is right. They can support that proposition, but they do not prove that proposition.”

Mandy: “To say a phone has been in an area, you would need other corroborating information?”

Sorell: “Yes, that is right.”

‘Many reasons’ why phone may switch between base stations​

The court has heard there are many reasons a phone’s data connections may show periodic shifts between base stations.

Under cross-examination, defence barrister Colin Mandy put it to Dr Matthew Sorell that he previously stated there were several explanations for why data connections might shift between networks.

Sorell agreed, confirming contributing factors include weather events, the power of the base station, its height, the antenna tilt (in relation to the ground) or its direction (north, south, west, east etc.), the geography, and topography.

Comparison of data records provide expert ‘confidence’ in Outtrim visit​

The defence has questioned Sorell about his analysis that found Patterson’s mobile was in the Outtrim area on May 22, 2023.

The court previously heard that death cap mushrooms were sighted in the Outtrim area on May 21, 2023 and analysis of Patterson’s mobile phone data showed she had travelled there the following day.

Sorell explained to the court on Monday that he used two types of data records - call charge records and event-based monitoring - to perform his analysis.

His first analysis of CCR found that Patterson’s phone had a 13 minute dwell time in the Outtrim area, but he revised his analysis to a 25 minute time period after examining additional EBM information.

Under cross-examination on Tuesday, Mandy asked Sorell questions to clarify his process of analysis.

Sorell explained that while the CCR suggested the phone dwelled at Outtrim between 11.18am and 11.31am, the EBM records made him feel confident that time period actually reflected a journey to the Outtrim area instead.

“When the EBM records became available, my opinion changed.

in and around the northern section of the Outtrim locality from to 11.24am and 11.41am, possibly as late as 11.49am.

Mandy put it to Sorell that having the EBM data allowed him to make more confident opinions, to which he agreed.

Possible Patterson did not travel to Outtrim or Loch in autumn 2023, court hears​

The court has been shown a map of the proposed data movement of Patterson’s phone on May 22, 2023, which suggested she “dwelled” in Outtrim.

The court heard that anaylsis was based on Patterson’s phone connecting to the Outtrim base station, which is a dominant base station in that area, multiple times that morning.

The defence suggested to Sorell there were a variety of propositions which may account for that data pattern.

Mandy: “Can I suggest this is consistent with the handset never entering the Outtrim postcode?”

Sorell responded: “There are places outside the Outtrim postcode where these patterns could conceivably come up.”

Defence: “Is it consistent with that possibility?”

Sorell: “It is statistically possible.”

Sorell explained further, detailed analysis would need to be undertaken to draw up those possible scenarios, and confirmed he had not been asked by detectives to perform that type of analysis.

However, he noted he was satisfied from the analysis he did undertake that the handset was travelling throughout the Gippsland region between 11am and midday on May 22, 2023.

Mandy then turned to previous evidence provided by Sorell which suggested Patterson’s phone was in the Loch area twice in autumn 2023 - on April 28 and again on May 22.

That analysis was based on findings that Patterson’s phone appeared to travel through that area on the first occasion then remained stationary in that zone on the second.

Under questioning from the defence, Sorell confirmed he

Digital Forensic expert re-examined​

Under re-examination by the prosecution, Dr Matthew Sorell was asked about the possible causes of the absence of data in Patterson’s phone records.

Sorell:“Turning the phone off will actively shut down the data connections.”

Pros: What about (removing) the sim?

Sorell: “If the phone is effectively switched off, the sim removed, and a new sim card inserted, that will turn the data off because the phone has been switched off. “

Sorell said that activity would show an end to a data connection, and it would be reflected in the record.

CCTV shows Patterson made ‘nine-second’ stop to service station toilet​

Detective Senior Constable Khuong Tran has taken the stand.

The court has been shown CCTV footage Tran obtained during an investigation into Patterson’s movements following the lunch.

The footage shows Patterson attending a BP service station at Caldermeade on 30 July, 2023 - the day after the lunch.

Dressed in a grey jumper and white pants with a brown bag slung over her arm, Patterson can be shown walking into the BP and straight to the toilets at 3.20pm.

She emerges from the toilets nine seconds later (still at 3.20pm) before looking at sandwiches in a refrigerator.

She then walks over to the cold drinks and confectionery sections to have a look at the goods before making her way to the cash register with an item.

She is then seen exiting the store at 3.22pm, jumping in her car, then driving off.

The court previously heard Patterson reported that she was suffering diarrhoea and nausea in the hours and days after the lunch.
 
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Court adjourned​

By Judd Boaz​

The legal discussions are expected to go on for some time, and Justice Beale has sent home the jury as a result.

They will return tomorrow, as will Detective Senior Constable Khuong Tran.

We wrap up on a very technical, slow moving day of evidence.
 
Is the prosecution showing this to substantiate their claim that EP was well while all other 4 people who ate that lunch were very sick and in hospital?

10 seconds for a toilet visit? Maybe disposing of something in the bins or a quick look in the mirror. Don't think any woman could do a toilet visit in 10 seconds, let alone anyone with diarrohea.
Does the timestamp on the toilet visit correlate to the "interesting things" that happen to phone data when a sim card is removed?
 
9 seconds and white pants. WTH? No mention of Erin stopping for gas or just stopping to go to the restroom.

The only thing I can think of that one can do within 9 seconds in a toilet is throw something like a phone into the tampon bin. Even flushing something would take longer to check it flushed.
Splashing your face and washing your hands - longer than 9 seconds.
Nothing else makes sense.
And, it doesn't look like she cares a great deal about her appearance, so checking the mirror really quickly within 9 seconds doesn't make sense, either.
 
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