Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #10 *Arrest*

[Detechtive]

Does the timestamp on the toilet visit correlate to the "interesting things" that happen to phone data when a sim card is removed?

I don't even think it's long enough to remove a sim. They are trickly little things, where you need to put something sharp into them to pop out the tray. Takes me forever!

 

[Marg944]

I can’t work out how Erin was able to remotely erase her mobile phone that was in the possession of the Police…..if, I would assume, the Police would have seized ALL of her electronic devices?

 

[Salah11]

I can’t work out how Erin was able to remotely erase her mobile phone that was in the possession of the Police…..if, I would assume, the Police would have seized ALL of her electronic devices?

Apple let you do this as if your phone is stolen then it makes sense you can remotely erase it so nobody can steal your information.

 

[Detechtive]

I can’t work out how Erin was able to remotely erase her mobile phone that was in the possession of the Police…..if, I would assume, the Police would have seized ALL of her electronic devices?

You can do it via ICloud. It’s a safety feature for stolen phones. She could have done it via her iPad or “other” phone. Or her kids phone/s

 

[Marg944]

You can do it via ICloud. It’s a safety feature for stolen phones. She could have done it via her iPad or “other” phone. Or her kids phone/s

Of course, she could have used her kids phone. Thanks for that! I forgot about the kids having phones. I just thought she wouldn’t have been left with anything to perform the factory reset.

 

[Marg944]

Apple let you do this as if your phone is stolen then it makes sense you can remotely erase it so nobody can steal your information.

Yep, but my query was that she wouldn’t have any device left to do the factory reset - the Police surely would have taken everything. But @Detechtive has just pointed out that she could have used her children’s phone.

 

[Marg944]

Looks like the Data Retention Laws won’t help too much in finding info from her 2 mobile numbers. The only data that is retained by the providers is email addresses but not the subject line of the email nor the email content, mobile calls made, and how long for. The web browsing history is not retained.

https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about-us/our-portfolios/national-security/lawful-access-telecommunications/data-retention-obligations

 

[Marg944]

Those fantastic Police K9’s must have had a field day!!!!

'Wicked witch narrative' engulfing mushroom cook murder investigation

A murder mystery that has captured the world's attention.

www.canberratimes.com.au

I found an article that names the K9’s….


“Technology detector dog Georgia found one USB, a micro secure digital card and a sim card,” he told the hearing. “Technology detector dog Alma found a mobile phone, five iPads, a trail camera and secure digital card and a smartwatch.”

Alleged mushroom poisoning: five iPads and other devices sniffed out by police dogs at Erin Patterson’s Leongatha home

Australian federal police tell Senate estimates that the electronics were not found during initial searches

www.theguardian.com

 

[Scooby-Doo]

When all this is revealed, it will be interesting....

previously not found during initial searches undertaken by officers.

Sounds like she hid them at the beginning, knowing that they would search. But the police came back and made a surprise search on her ( which is normally a tactic by them )



Five iPads, along with a smartwatch, were discovered by Australian Federal Police (AFP) detector dogs inside the home of alleged murderer Erin Patterson last year.


Patterson, the Gippsland woman at the centre of a mushroom lunch that resulted in the deaths of three people, was charged with multiple counts of murder and attempted murder.

"In November last year, the AFP provided its technology detector dogs to assist our hard-working colleagues at Victoria Police while executing a search warrant relating to individuals who had ingested death cap mushrooms," Kershaw told a Senate estimates hearing.

"Technology Detector Dog Georgia found one USB, a micro Secure Digital card, and a SIM card.
"Technology Detector Dog Alma found a mobile phone, five iPads, a trail camera, a secure digital card and a smart watch.

AFP Commissioner Reece Kershaw revealed the detection dogs recovered the items, which were previously not found during initial searches undertaken by officers.

What AFP dogs found in Erin Patterson's home revealed

www.9news.com.au

 

[katydid23]

Maybe it was a tragic accident.

She might have been curious, and went to view them, photograph them and then foraged for safe varieties. If I had time on my hands, I’d do that. Iam very interested in the things that scare me.

Trying to keep an open mind and look at all possibilities...

What are the odds that she goes to the extreme to go 'look at' and photograph Death Caps, at least twice, because they scare her,[ Oh and she buys a dehydrator on the first day she went 'to see;' the scary mushrooms]----But then, in spite of all the things she did to avoid the scary Caps, somehow she accidentally poisoned the 4 Beef Wellingtons she made for her in-laws.

If she went out of her way and studied Death Caps, by driving to see them, reading about them, etc, how did she end up picking 5 to 10 of the deadly ones to cook with? She also had a background of experience foraging, so it seems odd that it happened that way. IMO

But I am sure the defense will have an explanation so we'll see.

 

[katydid23]

FWIW, it seems to me that Erin was pretty confident around Death Caps. She (allegedly) picked them, sliced them, dried them, crushed them, stored them - all with kids in the house. Later on she stirred them into her cooking, baked them into lunch, and served them. With not a twinge of fear, guilt, remorse, etc. She must have worn gloves every time, you would think she went through quite a lot of gloves. Perhaps receipts from Woolworths would show that? Very confident with DCs, because IMO not a speck got on or in her

Also, if she had foraged for fresh mushrooms and assumed they were safe, why didn't she eat any or serve any of them while they were fresh and delicious?

I can understand drying some of them to save. But I think most people would also make a scrumptious mushroom/avacado salad with some of the freshly picked mushrooms. IMO

 

[Ellery84]

I don't even think it's long enough to remove a sim. They are trickly little things, where you need to put something sharp into them to pop out the tray. Takes me forever!

It’s long enough to chuck Phone A into the sanitary bin.

Is it Phone A that was never recovered!?

 

[Ellery84]

Also, if she had foraged for fresh mushrooms and assumed they were safe, why didn't she eat any or serve any of them while they were fresh and delicious?

I can understand drying some of them to save. But I think most people would also make a scrumptious mushroom/avacado salad with some of the freshly picked mushrooms. IMO

I feel like this is an important question.

Talking about fresh, foraged mushrooms, Jimmy Barnes recently posted a delicious foraged meal on his Insta:

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The famous rock star shares that his wife has foraged and cooked the mushrooms for dinner, and he states “I’m not scared.”

The food looks delicious!

 

[Detechtive]

Yep, but my query was that she wouldn’t have any device left to do the factory reset - the Police surely would have taken everything. But @Detechtive has just pointed out that she could have used her children’s phone.

Yes as long as those phones are part of her Icloud account (which I assume they probably were - it is pretty standard procedure) she could have used those.

 

[Marg944]

It’s long enough to chuck Phone A into the sanitary bin.

Is it Phone A that was never recovered!?

“August 6

Erin allegedly remotely conducts a factory reset of Phone B, which is still held by police.

Erin allegedly continues to use Phone A with number 04XX 783. Police say they never recover this phone.”

The timeline prosecutors allege in the mushroom murder trial

The six-week murder trial of Erin Patterson is underway in the regional Victorian town of Morwell. Here's what we know so far about the case, based on material put to the jury.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Detechtive]

Looks like the Data Retention Laws won’t help too much in finding info from her 2 mobile numbers. The only data that is retained by the providers is email addresses but not the subject line of the email nor the email content, mobile calls made, and how long for. The web browsing history is not retained.


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https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about-us/our-portfolios/national-security/lawful-access-telecommunications/data-retention-obligations

Those can be obtained through a Gmail account - they subpoena Google.

A lot of people with Gmail accounts don't actually know that their ENTIRE movement history (GPS) on their phone can be traced back to their Gmail account, including ALL search history, Gpay payments, gmail emails etc. Google are notoriously obtuse with supplying this data, but I hope that a police warrant/subpoena was obtained for this data.

App data is also able to be obtained by private app providers, for example, a fitbit subscription. Or, say, the Inaturalist App.

Further, the mobile phone data can be obtained through the telecommunications companies.

 

[Kemug]

“Technology detector dog Georgia found one USB, a micro secure digital card and a sim card,” he told the hearing. “Technology detector dog Alma found a mobile phone, five iPads, a trail camera and secure digital card and a smartwatch.”

Can't you just picture those girls? Alma : "I found more than you did! Nah na na na na!" Georgia: "But mine are more important. And mine were harder to find. So there!"

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[Detechtive]

DBM

 

[katydid23]

Posts from Herald Sun

4 hours ago
Highlight

Eight 'possible visits' to known death cap area​

Digital forensics expert Dr Matthew Sorell has returned to the witness box.
He is being questioned by Crown prosecutor Jane Warren as his evidence-in-chief continues.
Dr Sorell is being shown Erin’s phone records from January 1, 2022, to April 27, 2023, relating to the Loch area, near Leongatha.
He told the court on Monday it was his opinion that the mobile phone made a “possible visit” to Loch on both April 28 and May 22, 2023, after death caps were logged in the area on citizen science website iNaturalist on April 18.
The court heard Dr Sorell would be asked questions about other “possible visits” to the Loch area in the 18 months prior to provide a snapshot of the mobile phone’s movements.
The screens in the courtroom have stopped working, so the jurors have been asked to view the phone records on their iPads.
Dr Sorell confirmed he detected eight “possible visits” by the mobile phone to the Loch area during this 18-month period.

4 hours ago

What Erin's phone records suggest in days after lunch​

Dr Sorell is now being shown Erin’s phone records between 8am and 10am on July 31, 2023, two days after the lunch.
The jury previously heard Erin had presented to Leongatha Hospital at 8.05am on July 31, but discharged herself against medical advice at 8.10am.
She then returned to Leongatha Hospital about 9.50am.
Dr Sorell said the records were “most consistent” with the mobile phone being to the west of Leongatha, although it connected with an Outtrim base station for about three minutes at 8.55am.
He said a visit to the Outtrim area was “not strongly supported” because the records were silent as to the location of the mobile phone after 8.58am.
Dr Sorell said he accepted that movement within a property in Leongatha was consistent with the records, considering it was a fleeting connection to the Outtrim base station.

3 hours ago

What experts found in 'years' of Erin's phone records​

Dr Sorell is now being cross-examined by defence barrister Colin Mandy SC.
He explained to the jury on Monday how communication records or “call charge” records provide basic detail relating to calls, texts and data usage, while “event-based monitoring” (EBM) records provide “more high-level detail”.
He confirmed he had been provided years of call charge records for a phone belonging to Erin, as well as “targeted dates” of EBM records from April and May 2023, relating to the Loch and Outtrim areas.
Mr Mandy asked Dr Sorell whether it was “common” in the years of call charge records he analysed to see the mobile phone switch between two base stations in “quick succession”.
He agreed it was common and said, in those instances, the mobile phone may not have moved, but one base station had “temporarily dominated” over the other.
Mr Mandy also asked Dr Sorell whether he observed instances where the mobile phone appeared to be stationary in Leongatha, but was connecting with base stations in Outtrim or Mirboo North, for example.
“Generally speaking, when those more distant connections occur in a hurry, the phone may not be moving very far away from the Leongatha broad area, but those more distant connections denote some movement … although not large movement,” Dr Sorell said.

2 hours ago

Accused made five possible visits to Outtrim in 18-month period: Expert​

Dr Sorell has been shown a topographical map of the Outtrim area.
The court heard the Outtrim base station was more elevated than the nearby Koonwarra and Leongatha base stations.
Mr Mandy then asked Dr Sorell about Erin’s phone records from January 1, 2022, to May 21, 2023, relating to the Outtrim area.
Dr Sorell told the court on Monday it was his opinion that the mobile phone made a “possible visit” to Outtrim on May 22, 2023, after death caps were logged in the area on iNaturalist on May 21.
He confirmed he detected five “possible visits” to the Outtrim area during this 18-month period.
His cross-examination will continue at 2.15pm.

56 minutes ago

Defence casts doubt on death cap site phone pings​

Dr Sorell has returned to the witness box.
He is being asked about Erin’s phone records from May 22, 2023, relating to the Outtrim area.
Dr Sorell told the court on Monday it was his opinion that the mobile phone made a “possible visit” to Outtrim on May 22, 2023, after death caps were logged in the area on iNaturalist on May 21.
Under cross-examination by defence barrister Colin Mandy SC, Dr Sorell was asked whether the records from May 22 were consistent with the proposition that the mobile phone “moves from Leongatha, down the Bass Highway, heading to Inverloch, and at some point … remains stationary for a period of time.”
But Dr Sorell said the concern he had with that proposition was that, according to the records, the mobile phone did not connect with the Kongwak base station during that journey.
“That’s an anomaly that doesn’t fit with your proposition,” he said.
However, he agreed with Mr Mandy that there was a possibility the mobile phone did not enter the Outtrim postcode area on May 22.
“There are locations outside the Outtrim postcode where this set of records could conceivably come up,” Dr Sorell said.

35 minutes ago

Accused's phone 'definitively' in the Loch area: Expert​

He is now being asked about Erin’s phone records from April 28, 2023, relating to the Loch area.
He told the court on Monday it was his opinion that the mobile phone made a “possible visit” to Loch on April 28, after death caps were logged in the area on iNaturalist on April 18.
He agreed with Mr Mandy that there was no records that show the mobile phone was “definitively” in the boundary of the Loch township.
But he said the records show the mobile phone was certainly to the east of the Loch township.
At one point, the cross-examination paused momentarily.
“Nice little beetle crawling across the microphone,” Dr Sorell told the court.

3 minutes ago

CCTV shows Erin perusing sandwiches at servo day after fatal lunch​

Detective Senior Constable Khuong Tran has been called as the next witness.
He told the court he is attached to the homicide squad and helped investigate this case.
The court heard he obtained CCTV footage from a BP in Caldermeade from July 30, one day after the lunch, which was visited by the accused.
The footage was then played to the jury.
Erin can be seen entering the BP about 3.19pm and walking towards the toilet.
She exits the toilet about 9 seconds after entering.
She can then be seen looking at the sandwiches in the fridge section, before walking over to another area of the service station, which is out of view.
She makes her purchase before leaving about 3.22pm.
In the footage, Erin is wearing a grey sweater, cream pants, black sandals and a black crossover bag.
The jury previously heard Erin had driven her son to his flying lesson in Tyabb, close to Caldermeade, on July 30 before it was cancelled by the instructor.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/the-mushroom-cook/erin-patterson-trial-live-how-experts-analysed-erin-pattersons-phone-data/live-coverage/87dea1e0af49dd72862353ecefadbcf9?amp

Erin can be seen entering the BP about 3.19pm and walking towards the toilet.
She exits the toilet about 9 seconds after entering.
She can then be seen looking at the sandwiches in the fridge section, before walking over to another area of the service station, which is out of view.
She makes her purchase before leaving about 3.22pm.
In the footage, Erin is wearing a grey sweater, cream pants, black sandals and a black crossover bag.

She wore CREAM PANTS? ----Not the pants I'd choose if I felt 'unwell' from food poisoning.