Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #10 *Arrest*

[Yh5r]

I really do not understand how there is any point whatsoever in the defence attempting to use FB comments?! Those FB "friends" had never met Erin or her in-laws IRL, so why would their words count for anything ? Of course they are going to go along with EP, they only have her side of the story.

Jmo

100%! And every person with a bit of common sense would know that a friend would likely just go along with EP's version of events and mirror her use of language too.

 

[Kemug]

Which reminds me, was it ever established that Erin was also vomiting? There was much testimony about her diarrhea but I can’t remember if she was vomiting too. A little harder to fake of course.

I believe the ancient Romans used to retire to the Vomitarium and stick their fingers down their throats, so that they could continue their feasting.

 

[Yh5r]

I would definitely not go along with a friends side of the story without asking for more context. Sure, you support your friends but you don't blindly accept one side without at least getting some context. IMO.

Who knows? Maybe Erin also manipulated all of the friends with her resentful narrative? Erin comes across as highly manipulative, IMO.

These are facebook friends, never met Erin or the in laws in real life and likely just looking for some inclusion in the group. Why would they question her side of the story.

Regardless, the sentiments first came from Erin and the friend just mirrored them.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I do! But very rarely use it though.

I just find it utterly bizarre that you would do a Police search of someone’s property and allow them to wander into another room with their mobile phone? How would they even know she was talking to a lawyer if they don’t listen in?

I’m assuming she had no prior warning that the Police were going to visit and do a search otherwise she would have changed the SIM earlier. The whole element of surprise is lost.

Surely in most serious crime investigations like this the phones & laptops are the first things to be removed?

Virtually nobody has landlines nowadays.

Like @SouthAussie mentioned, police aren't allowed to be present whilst Erin is speaking to lawyers, that conversation is privileged.

But also, police aren't allowed (before a suspect is charged) to accompany them to a bathroom, either.

It doesn't point to police incompetence, IMO.

The fact she changed the sim while the police were in her vicinity, and then, factory reset the phone remotely when the phone was in police custody, is damning evidence IMO.

None of this "doubt" raised by Mr Mandy SC is very compelling, IMO

 

[Eloise]

RSBM
I beg to disagree. The Defence did not point this out, it claimed It.

true but I blame bad journalism for that

 

[Lisa4]

I would definitely not go along with a friends side of the story without asking for more context. Sure, you support your friends but you don't blindly accept one side without at least getting some context. IMO.

Who knows? Maybe Erin also manipulated all of the friends with her resentful narrative? Erin comes across as highly manipulative, IMO.

But were these FB friends actual real-life friends? Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression they were only internet acquaintances?

 

[Detechtive]

Dbm

 

[Old Soul]

I really do not understand how there is any point whatsoever in the defence attempting to use FB comments?! Those FB "friends" had never met Erin or her in-laws IRL, so why would their words count for anything ? Of course they are going to go along with EP, they only have her side of the story.

Jmo

I completely agree. The online friends only have EP’s narrative, and more than likely she was lying to them and embellishing things to make SP and family look bad. In my opinion (based on evidence presented by the media coverage and the trial) EP loves to garner sympathy and portray herself as a victim.

“I suspect the best thing I can do about it is forget about all of them and live my life. Simon is probably loving how upset I am about all this,” the message read.

Another user responded: “You are human and you have every right to be upset and angry. If he is loving that then that makes him even worse. Hopefully he will have to pay up soon.”

“I am so sorry Erin, it’s so f***ng hard when you’re not believed or listened to or understood. I went though similar with my ex in-laws,” a second user said.

Erin Patterson trial as it happened: Alleged mushroom cook’s phone records too expensive for police

The lead homicide detective on the mushroom case told court that a year’s worth of mobile phone location tracking would have left police with a six-figure bill.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Kemug]

Again, it’s also strange to me that she risked a toileting accident in front of her teen son. Maybe they are all unusually open about each others’ body parts and functions but my teens would be mortified (like, literally die) if I stopped to poo in a bush.

And would certainly never ever let you drive them somewhere again!

 

[Detechtive]

But were these FB friends actual real-life friends? Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression they were only internet acquaintances?

I'm not sure it matters. I keep seeing people make this distinction?
The majority of the world meets love interests and friends online now. There isn't a big separation between the two, per se.
I met my best friend in an online parenting forum 15 years ago. We have only met up in person 5 times, but it doesn't make the relationship any less serious or valid or close. We speak everyday.

 

[Lisa4]

I completely agree. The online friends only have EP’s narrative, and more than likely she was lying to them and embellishing things to make SP and family look bad. In my opinion (based on evidence presented by the media coverage and the trial) EP loves to garner sympathy and portray herself as a victim.

“I suspect the best thing I can do about it is forget about all of them and live my life. Simon is probably loving how upset I am about all this,” the message read.

Another user responded: “You are human and you have every right to be upset and angry. If he is loving that then that makes him even worse. Hopefully he will have to pay up soon.”

“I am so sorry Erin, it’s so *ng hard when you’re not believed or listened to or understood. I went though similar with my ex in-laws,” a second user said.

Erin Patterson trial as it happened: Alleged mushroom cook’s phone records too expensive for police

The lead homicide detective on the mushroom case told court that a year’s worth of mobile phone location tracking would have left police with a six-figure bill.

www.theage.com.au

Wonder how surprised they were when they found out that by all accounts her in-laws were a simple, kindly old couple.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

And mushrooms are light. 1kgs of mushrooms is a lot, IMO.
I make a mushroom pasta dish which is highly concentrated in mushroom flavouring, and for 6 people I only use 250gms.

Yes. I actually looked up some Beef Wellington recipes and most of them, including Gordon Ramsay, only use 425kg mushrooms. The Recipe Tin Eats recipe that Erin used, did call for 1kg mushrooms.

 

[Yh5r]

I'm not sure it matters. I keep seeing people make this distinction?
The majority of the world meets love interests and friends online now. There isn't a big separation between the two, per se.
I met my best friend in an online parenting forum 15 years ago. We have only met up in person 5 times, but it doesn't make the relationship any less serious or valid or close. We speak everyday.

To me it doesn't really matter whether they were Facebook friend or real life friends and I'm not even discounting online friends.

What I am saying is that friends will often mirror what the upset friend is saying and confirm their feelings and say what the upset friend wants to hear rather than question too much background info as to why the friend is upset in the first place. Erin being the upset friend just got confirmation from the friends. They just mirrored her feelings but these feeling came from her in the first place and this is what makes the defence case very weak IMO

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Yes. I actually looked up some Beef Wellington recipes and most of them, including Gordon Ramsay, only use 425kg mushrooms. The Recipe Tin Eats recipe that Erin used, did call for 1kg mushrooms.

425g ?

 

[Lisa4]

I'm not sure it matters. I keep seeing people make this distinction?
The majority of the world meets love interests and friends online now. There isn't a big separation between the two, per se.
I met my best friend in an online parenting forum 15 years ago. We have only met up in person 5 times, but it doesn't make the relationship any less serious or valid or close. We speak everyday.

I make the distinction because it is easier online to portray yourself and anyone else as you choose to. I could tell you my in-laws were absolutely awful, or the nicest people on the planet, but unless you met them, you would not know if I were being truthful. Or if I even have any!

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Why can't it be both? If she was seething and planning for months, then the motive can twist, turn and change throughout.


She allegedly served them death cap mushrooms. Death cap. Death. Cap. If you believe she knowingly tried to hurt them with these mushrooms, you have to believe it would seriously hurt them or kill them.

Well personally I think she planned to kill them. How can her defence say that it was accidental when she looked up the websites and saw photos of Death Caps? There's bound to be at least one daft jury member though...

 

[Detechtive]

To me it doesn't really matter whether they were Facebook friend or real life friends and I'm not even discounting online friends.

What I am saying is that friends will often mirror what the upset friend is saying and confirm their feelings and say what the upset friend wants to hear rather than question too much background info as to why the friend is upset in the first place. Erin being the upset friend just got confirmation from the friends. They just mirrored her feelings but these feeling came from her in the first place and this is what makes the defence case very weak IMO

True, but in your 40's - most women that I know expect a more honest relationship and not just blind support. Maybe it's just me, but I find the friends comments quite toxic. In other words, maybe they are sycophants.

 

[Detechtive]

I make the distinction because it is easier online to portray yourself and anyone else as you choose to. I could tell you my in-laws were absolutely awful, or the nicest people on the planet, but unless you met them, you would not know if I were being truthful. Or if I even have any!

I see your point, but I haven't met the majority of my friends relatives, and I can still form logical opinions and not wade into a one-sided rant without context.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

425g ?

I meant to say 425 to 500 grams! Lol

 

[Scooby-Doo]

What we learned today​

Detective Leading Senior Constable Stephen Eppingstall returned to the witness box today to provide testimony.

The defence continued its cross-examination of LSC Eppingstall, focusing in again on the police investigation and the August 5 search of Erin Patterson's house.

Here's what we learned:

1. 1.Erin Patterson was allowed to use her phone while police searched her house. LSC Eppingstall says Erin was left alone with her phone to contact a lawyer as police searched her home.
2. 2.The defence showed multiple photos of Erin's home, featuring black objects which could have been mobile phones. LSC Eppingstall told the court that if the objects had been phones, they would have been seized.
3. 3.The defence argued that CCTV footage purported to show Erin Patterson and her son at a Subway was in fact footage of someone else, a fact LSC Eppingstall disputed.
4. 4.Facebook messages between Erin and her friends were aired more fully in court, with the
5. defence telling the court the group was a space for "venting" about their personal lives.

• Mr Mandy continues detailing messages between Erin and her in-laws, before stopping.
  
  He informs Justice Beale that he can go no further with his cross-examination until legal issues are sorted without the presence of the jury.
  
  Justice Beale takes the opportunity to adjourn court early for the day.

Erin Patterson murder trial day 22 – as it happened

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