yes but I dont think anyone familiar with emojis except for Erin would consider those rolling eyesFound out that we get some extra ones under More Options, Smilies when you go to reply like these:
Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #12 *Arrest*
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1m ago
Gail Patterson's diary entries shown to court
By Joseph Dunstan
After Erin says she never gave a health reason for the lunch, Dr Rogers takes her to Gail Patterson's diary, where Gail had marked "Erin - St Vincent's arm lump" on June 28, 2023.
"You told at least Gail Patterson sometime before [this date] that you had a lump in your elbow, correct?" Dr Rogers asks.
"Correct," Erin replies.
Dr Rogers then outlines that Erin had lied to Gail about that whole health issue and she had no medical issue to discuss with Gail at the lunch.
"I didn't have a legitimate medical reason, no, that's true," Erin says.
1m ago
Gail Patterson's diary entries shown to court
By Joseph Dunstan
After Erin says she never gave a health reason for the lunch, Dr Rogers takes her to Gail Patterson's diary, where Gail had marked "Erin - St Vincent's arm lump" on June 28, 2023.
"You told at least Gail Patterson sometime before [this date] that you had a lump in your elbow, correct?" Dr Rogers asks.
"Correct," Erin replies.
Dr Rogers then outlines that Erin had lied to Gail about that whole health issue and she had no medical issue to discuss with Gail at the lunch.
"I didn't have a legitimate medical reason, no, that's true," Erin says.
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Erin also said she carried out three factory resets on one of her mobile phones after the lunch. She said the first was because she "panicked" about photos it contained of foraged mushrooms. Another was a remote factory reset while the phone was in a police locker, which she said she did to "see what happened". She added it was a "stupid" thing t
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Senior Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers has taken her to what she said was a screenshot from a medical website about metastatic brain disease in early-stage ovarian cancer found on the tablet.
“I don’t know if that is a screenshot, I don’t remember that being established,” Patterson said.
“I thought this was a thumbnail, but I don’t recall hearing Mr Fox-Henry say how it came to be there.”
Rogers is reminding Patterson of evidence heard earlier in the trial that the screenshots were cached to her Samsung tablet because they had been accessed via the Google Photos app. Rogers said the file had been modified on May 10, 2023.
“I thought I remember him saying that’s one possible explanation,” Patterson said.
Patterson said she did not know if she had taken a screenshot of that page.
Rogers has taken Patterson to two more screenshots of internet searches, the first is about stage four ovarian cancer, while the second is about brain lymphoma symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment found in the mother of two’s Samsung tablet.
Patterson said she likely conducted both searches, but she did not know if she had taken a screenshot of them.
“My evidence is I don’t know if this is a screenshot, so I can’t say if I took a screenshot or not,” she said.
Rogers suggested to Patterson that she had accessed those images of information about cancer in May 2023. “I don’t think I did,” Patterson said.
Rogers: Is it your evidence that you did not access images of information about cancer in 2023?
Patterson: I think my answer is I don’t think I did. I don’t remember ... I don’t think I did in early 2023.
Rogers: Or mid-2023?
Patterson: Correct.
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Patterson asked about her ‘so-called cancer diagnosis’ and online searches for brain disease
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Accused killer Erin Patterson is being grilled over her “so-called cancer diagnosis” and alleged internet searches for metastatic brain disease, stage four ovarian cancer and brain lymphoma symptoms found on her tablet.Senior Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers has taken her to what she said was a screenshot from a medical website about metastatic brain disease in early-stage ovarian cancer found on the tablet.
“I don’t know if that is a screenshot, I don’t remember that being established,” Patterson said.
“I thought this was a thumbnail, but I don’t recall hearing Mr Fox-Henry say how it came to be there.”
Rogers is reminding Patterson of evidence heard earlier in the trial that the screenshots were cached to her Samsung tablet because they had been accessed via the Google Photos app. Rogers said the file had been modified on May 10, 2023.
“I thought I remember him saying that’s one possible explanation,” Patterson said.
Patterson said she did not know if she had taken a screenshot of that page.
Rogers has taken Patterson to two more screenshots of internet searches, the first is about stage four ovarian cancer, while the second is about brain lymphoma symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment found in the mother of two’s Samsung tablet.
Patterson said she likely conducted both searches, but she did not know if she had taken a screenshot of them.
“My evidence is I don’t know if this is a screenshot, so I can’t say if I took a screenshot or not,” she said.
Rogers suggested to Patterson that she had accessed those images of information about cancer in May 2023. “I don’t think I did,” Patterson said.
Rogers: Is it your evidence that you did not access images of information about cancer in 2023?
Patterson: I think my answer is I don’t think I did. I don’t remember ... I don’t think I did in early 2023.
Rogers: Or mid-2023?
Patterson: Correct.
Erin Patterson murder trial day 27 as it happened: ‘You thought the lunch guests would die’: A rare invitation and a ‘lie about cancer’
It was rare for Erin Patterson to host guests; having four people over for a meal was not an ordinary, casual event for the mother of two.
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Dr Rogers suggests that the lump on the elbow lie told to Gail was a bid to "plant the seed" of Erin's later lie about a cancer diagnosis.
"No, I don't think that's right, no," Erin says.
"Well why did you say it?" Dr Rogers asks.
"So, I think I gave this in evidence a couple of days ago, but I had initially thought I had an issue with my elbow, I'd had a lot of pain for a number of weeks, I thought I had a lump, I had told Don and Gail what I was worried about," Erin says.
"[It] started to resolve, I probably whinged a bit too much to Don and Gail about it and felt a bit embarrassed by that and they made me feel loved and cared for in the way that they were asking about my health and I didn't want that to stop so I just kept going."
"No, I don't think that's right, no," Erin says.
"Well why did you say it?" Dr Rogers asks.
"So, I think I gave this in evidence a couple of days ago, but I had initially thought I had an issue with my elbow, I'd had a lot of pain for a number of weeks, I thought I had a lump, I had told Don and Gail what I was worried about," Erin says.
"[It] started to resolve, I probably whinged a bit too much to Don and Gail about it and felt a bit embarrassed by that and they made me feel loved and cared for in the way that they were asking about my health and I didn't want that to stop so I just kept going."
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Erin says she felt embarassed by her health complaints to in-laws
By Joseph Dunstan
Dr Rogers suggests that the lump on the elbow lie told to Gail was a bid to "plant the seed" of Erin's later lie about a cancer diagnosis.
"No, I don't think that's right, no," Erin says.
"Well why did you say it?" Dr Rogers asks.
"So, I think I gave this in evidence a couple of days ago, but I had initially thought I had an issue with my elbow, I'd had a lot of pain for a number of weeks, I thought I had a lump, I had told Don and Gail what I was worried about," Erin says.
"[It] started to resolve, I probably whinged a bit too much to Don and Gail about it and felt a bit embarrassed by that and they made me feel loved and cared for in the way that they were asking about my health and I didn't want that to stop so I just kept going."
Erin says she felt embarassed by her health complaints to in-laws
By Joseph Dunstan
Dr Rogers suggests that the lump on the elbow lie told to Gail was a bid to "plant the seed" of Erin's later lie about a cancer diagnosis.
"No, I don't think that's right, no," Erin says.
"Well why did you say it?" Dr Rogers asks.
"So, I think I gave this in evidence a couple of days ago, but I had initially thought I had an issue with my elbow, I'd had a lot of pain for a number of weeks, I thought I had a lump, I had told Don and Gail what I was worried about," Erin says.
"[It] started to resolve, I probably whinged a bit too much to Don and Gail about it and felt a bit embarrassed by that and they made me feel loved and cared for in the way that they were asking about my health and I didn't want that to stop so I just kept going."
Even her vague answer of "I don't think I did" has to have it's own vague disclaimer of "I think my answer is.." Can't even be confident in her own wishy washy response.
2m ago06.04 BST
Rogers puts to Patterson: “I suggest you accessed these images of information about cancer in May 2023.”
“I don’t think I did,” Patterson says. “It was something I was quite worried about in late ‘21, early ‘22.”
Rogers says:
Rogers asks why she did it.
Patterson says:
I didn’t use any reason when I invited them. I just invited them.
Rogers puts to Patterson: “I suggest you accessed these images of information about cancer in May 2023.”
“I don’t think I did,” Patterson says. “It was something I was quite worried about in late ‘21, early ‘22.”
Rogers says:
“I think I did do that at one point,” Patterson replies. She says she did this in 2021 and a period going into early 2022. Patterson denies she used this information to tell a more convincing lie about cancer.
Rogers asks why she did it.
Patterson says:
Rogers says Patterson used the cancer information to allow her to have a reason for inviting her lunch guests. Patterson says:
I didn’t use any reason when I invited them. I just invited them.
9 minutes ago - 02:58 PMMax Corstorphan
“Theoretically, that is true, but that’s not what I did,” Ms Patterson said.
The accused claimed the cancer information was only accessed due to her concerns over her health.
1 minute ago - 03:06 PMMax Corstorphan
The accused confirmed she did not have an appointment and there was no “legitimate” medical concern to talk about at a lunch she invited her ex-partner’s family to.
Ms Patterson was then shown messages she received from Gail Patterson, where she asked how Ms Patterson went at her appointment. The accused replied, lying, saying she had a biopsy, adding that an MRI was scheduled.
The alleged triple murderer said she did not “expect” Gail Patterson to tell Simon Patterson any of that information.
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Why did Erin Patterson access cancer information?
Ms Patterson was asked if accessing the images on her devices, which had information about cancer symptoms, would allow her to “educate” herself and present a “convincing lie” to her lunch guests.“Theoretically, that is true, but that’s not what I did,” Ms Patterson said.
The accused claimed the cancer information was only accessed due to her concerns over her health.
1 minute ago - 03:06 PMMax Corstorphan
Erin’s hospital lie ahead of fatal lunch
Ms Patterson accepts that she told Gail Patterson that she had a “lump in her elbow” and needed to go to St Vincent’s Hospital in Melbourne on June 28, 2023.The accused confirmed she did not have an appointment and there was no “legitimate” medical concern to talk about at a lunch she invited her ex-partner’s family to.
Ms Patterson was then shown messages she received from Gail Patterson, where she asked how Ms Patterson went at her appointment. The accused replied, lying, saying she had a biopsy, adding that an MRI was scheduled.
The alleged triple murderer said she did not “expect” Gail Patterson to tell Simon Patterson any of that information.
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Text messages between Erin and Gail Patterson shown
By Joseph Dunstan
Dr Rogers then brings up records from Gail Patterson's phone, which includes messages signed off with "love" where Erin's mother-in-law checked in on her about her supposed health issues.
In one of her replies, Erin said "the appointment went ok, thanks for asking. I had a needle biopsy taken of the lump and am returning for an MRI next week".
"Did you expect that Gail Patterson would convey this information about a needle biopsy and an MRI to her son Simon Patterson?" Dr Rogers asks.
"I don't think I would expect that, no," Erin says.
Dr Rogers asks if Erin had been considering that if Simon heard this news, he would be less inclined to reject any future lunch invitation.
"The answer to that is no, because I wouldn't have expected her to tell him any of that."
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Text messages between Erin and Gail Patterson shown
By Joseph Dunstan
Dr Rogers then brings up records from Gail Patterson's phone, which includes messages signed off with "love" where Erin's mother-in-law checked in on her about her supposed health issues.
In one of her replies, Erin said "the appointment went ok, thanks for asking. I had a needle biopsy taken of the lump and am returning for an MRI next week".
"Did you expect that Gail Patterson would convey this information about a needle biopsy and an MRI to her son Simon Patterson?" Dr Rogers asks.
"I don't think I would expect that, no," Erin says.
Dr Rogers asks if Erin had been considering that if Simon heard this news, he would be less inclined to reject any future lunch invitation.
"The answer to that is no, because I wouldn't have expected her to tell him any of that."
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Crown questions Erin on 'so-called cancer diagnosis'
The Crown prosecutor says she wants to Erin to her “so-called cancer diagnosis”.
Erin is shown an online screenshot displaying information about ovarian cancer.
Asked if she took the screenshot, Erin says she didn’t recall it being as established as a screenshot, instead thinking it was a thumbnail.
The court heard the screenshots were led during the evidence of a forensic police expert.
Dr Rogers says the photos were cached to Erin’s Samsung tablet, which Erin agrees with.
“I suggest that you conducted an internet search on this topic?” Dr Rogers asks.
Erin agrees but can’t recall if she took a screenshot.
Other images of searches are shown to Erin but she says she’s not sure of they are screenshots.
Dr Rogers suggests Erin accessed the “images of information” in May 2023.
“I don’t think I did,” she replies, saying she was worried about cancer in late 2021 and early 2022, not 2023.
“This information from the internet, I suggest, would allow you to tell a more convincing lie … about having cancer,” Dr Rogers says.
“I mean theoretically that’s true, but that’s not what I did,” Erin says.
Asked why she did it, Erin says she was concerned she had ovarian cancer.
“I was concerned I had something wrong with my brain,” she says.
Dr Rogers repeats her question, suggesting she researched cancer as preparation to tell her in-laws and the Wilkinsons.
“No, that’s not correct,” she replies.
Health online research preparation for ‘convincing lie’: Crown
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Still on the issue of searches online about health issues, the senior Crown prosecutor continues.Nanette Rogers suggested Patterson had used those images to educate herself on the symptoms of ovarian and brain cancer.
“I think I did do that at one point, yes,” Patterson said.
When she asked when she had done that, Patterson said it was in 2021 or early 2022.
Rogers suggested that the information from the Internet would allow Patterson to tell a more convincing lie about having cancer.
“Theoretically, that’s true, but that’s not what I did,” she said.
Rogers suggested she sought out the information on the internet for the purposes of educating herself on ovarian and brain cancer symptoms.
“My proposition is that it would allow you to tell a more convincing lie about having cancer,” Rogers said.
Patterson denied that’s why she did it.
“Why did you do it?” Rogers asked.
“Because I was concerned that I had ovarian cancer, I was concerned that I had something wrong with my brain,” she said.
Patterson said she hadn’t given the lunch guests any reason for the invitation to the lunch on July 29, 2023.
“I didn’t give them any reason when I invited them, I just invited them,” Patterson said.
Erin Patterson murder trial day 27 as it happened: ‘You thought the lunch guests would die’: A rare invitation and a ‘lie about cancer’
It was rare for Erin Patterson to host guests; having four people over for a meal was not an ordinary, casual event for the mother of two.
2m ago06.11 BST
Patterson agrees it was a reference to her.
Rogers says she told Gail prior to 28 June 2023 that she had a lump in her elbow and needed to go to St Vincent’s on this date for an appointment.
“You did not have a lump in your elbow on 28 June 2023,” Rogers says.
“That’s true,” Patterson replies.
“You did not have an appointment at St Vincent’s on 28 June 2023,” Rogers says.
“No, I didn’t,” Patterson says.
Rogers says Patterson had no medical issues to discuss at the lunch.
“I didn’t have a legitimate medical reason. That’s true,” Patterson replies.
Patterson admits she had no ‘legitimate’ medical issue to discuss at fateful lunch
Rogers shows the court a diary entry from Gail Patterson on 28 June 2023. The entry reads “Erin - St Vincent’s arm lump.”Patterson agrees it was a reference to her.
Rogers says she told Gail prior to 28 June 2023 that she had a lump in her elbow and needed to go to St Vincent’s on this date for an appointment.
“You did not have a lump in your elbow on 28 June 2023,” Rogers says.
“That’s true,” Patterson replies.
“You did not have an appointment at St Vincent’s on 28 June 2023,” Rogers says.
“No, I didn’t,” Patterson says.
Rogers says Patterson had no medical issues to discuss at the lunch.
“I didn’t have a legitimate medical reason. That’s true,” Patterson replies.
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This case is the first time I'd heard of picking mushrooms referred to as mushrooming.
I had always known it as a term to describe something growing and expanding.
Ie: mushrooming out of all proportion.
I had always known it as a term to describe something growing and expanding.
Ie: mushrooming out of all proportion.
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She is so brazen it's actually scary.
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Messages in lead-up to lunch
By Joseph Dunstan
In subsequent messages, Gail says she is praying for Erin, before later asking her how she got on with her medical tests.
The message is signed "Love Don and Gail". Erin agrees that it appears they are concerned, but briefly questions the authorship of the text, before concluding it probably was Gail as it was on her phone.
Erin replied saying "thanks for your message … there's a bit to digest with everything that's come out of it all. I might talk more about it with you both when I see you in person. Love, Erin."
Dr Rogers says in these messages, Erin continued to pretend she had a very serious illness. Erin agrees that's fair.
The prosecutor draws attention to the part of the message where Erin refers to talking about it when she saw them in person.
"Your invitation that you extended to Gail and Heather was on the 16th of July," Dr Rogers says. "In nine days' time."
"I suggest that you wrote that [reference to talking in person as] a deliberate phrase with the expectation that you would be speaking with them in person … although you hadn't yet invited them to the lunch that you hosted on the 29th of July," Dr Rogers says.
Dr Rogers asks if planning the lunch was already in the back of Erin's mind when she sent that message.
"No, I don't think it was, no," Erin responds.
Throughout this questioning, Erin Patterson's gaze is closely focused on Nanette Rogers.
Just now
Messages in lead-up to lunch
By Joseph Dunstan
In subsequent messages, Gail says she is praying for Erin, before later asking her how she got on with her medical tests.
The message is signed "Love Don and Gail". Erin agrees that it appears they are concerned, but briefly questions the authorship of the text, before concluding it probably was Gail as it was on her phone.
Erin replied saying "thanks for your message … there's a bit to digest with everything that's come out of it all. I might talk more about it with you both when I see you in person. Love, Erin."
Dr Rogers says in these messages, Erin continued to pretend she had a very serious illness. Erin agrees that's fair.
The prosecutor draws attention to the part of the message where Erin refers to talking about it when she saw them in person.
"Your invitation that you extended to Gail and Heather was on the 16th of July," Dr Rogers says. "In nine days' time."
"I suggest that you wrote that [reference to talking in person as] a deliberate phrase with the expectation that you would be speaking with them in person … although you hadn't yet invited them to the lunch that you hosted on the 29th of July," Dr Rogers says.
Dr Rogers asks if planning the lunch was already in the back of Erin's mind when she sent that message.
"No, I don't think it was, no," Erin responds.
Throughout this questioning, Erin Patterson's gaze is closely focused on Nanette Rogers.
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