Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #12 *Arrest*

[JBowie]

Hence the different coloured plate; she's one step ahead of you.

I'd just say, "I prefer this colour plate and I'm totally happy with the swap. Bon appétit!"

 

[HoneyBunOne]

I hope something good, to prove or invalidate her lies!

A smoking gun perhaps? THAT would be awesome!

 

[JBowie]

A smoking guns perhaps? THAT would be awesome!

A smoking mushroom?

 

[Sarahlou]

There is definitely a bias from the female presenter.

For her this is about how accused women are treated so she is viewing it through that prism. She might not realise it but she wants to believe her.

It is like another version of OJ. If Erin is innocent, it will be a victory for women regardless of the actual facts of the case.

Yeah I've noticed how some people seem to brush aside the facts and bad things about her because they want her to be innocent. I don't understand it but it happens in lots of cases.

 

[Kemug]

1m ago
Erin contests that she panicked after learning people were unwell
Dr Rogers suggests to Erin Patterson that she knowingly served foraged death cap mushrooms to her guests at the lunch.
Erin denies it.
Dr Rogers takes Erin to her comment that she "panicked" after the lunch and did not want to tell people that she had foraged.
Erin says she did not say that.
"Can you please alert me to the answer that I gave where I said that I panicked when I learnt that everyone was unwell?" Erin asks.
"Certainly," Dr Rogers replies.

RSBM
Oh my, 50% smartarse, and 50% panic merchant.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Like everyone we all have our different foods that are hard to resist.
Mine is ice cream so I rarely have it at home.

Maybe meat isn't a temptation for EP.

It's very likely she just couldn't resist the cake.

 

[Kemug]

I kind of am impressed with her performance and coaching, but it's still arguing semantics and her lies are too overwhelming for it to make any difference. The jury might see her as petulant and evasive.

I find her extremely unlikeable. MOO

 

[JBowie]

With all of this rehearsed "I don't recall", "I don't remember" stuff, IMO barristers should start off by establishing the witness' great memory of events generally and thereafter, for the benefit of the jury, refer back to that each time their memory suddenly fails them under pressure.

 

[katydid23]

Things we learned today​

Both the defence and the prosecution had an opportunity to question accused killer Erin Patterson today.

Much of the day's questioning featured crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC suggesting propositions to Erin, which were then emphatically denied.

Here's what we learned today from her testimony:


Erin confirmed she lied about her dehydrator and history of foraging to police. She described her lying to police as a "stupid, kneejerk reaction", saying she was scared but that she shouldn't have done it

Photos were shown to the court of what appeared to be Erin's kitchen, which Erin said she had no memory of taking. Erin denied that photos that appeared to be of mushrooms sitting on her kitchen bench were death cap mushrooms. This conflicts with mycologist Tom May's evidence that the appearance was consistent with death caps.

Erin confirmed she had foraged for wild mushrooms in the months before the July 29 lunch.

Erin conceded that it was "probably true" that she knew she would become a suspect if she told police the truth about her dehydrating of mushrooms.

Erin denied she had told her Facebook friends she was an atheist, denied she was very close to Christine Hunt, a previous witness, and denied she had used emojis to mock the Pattersons praying for her.

Erin denied she told her lunch guests that she had cancer, a contradiction to testimony given by Ian Wilkinson and Simon Patterson

We also learned that the trial may extend even longer than planned, with Justice Beale telling the jury there was a possibility that more evidence could be presented.

That^^^ sounds like there might be a rebuttal. I've seen that a lot in trials where the defendant took the stand. Doing so brings lots of info forward that the prosecution was not prepared for. So the court usually allows them some time to rebut some of it by recalling witnesses, etc.

 

[Kemug]

"Her evidence was that you wrote "So your evidence is that you did not say or post that you were an atheist?" Dr Rogers asks.

Erin says she did not post that message.

RSBM
Ah, a straightforward answer. So that was definitely a lie.

 

[MrJ]

I find her extremely unlikeable. MOO

I do as well. Coached though she may be, she can't help but let her snide side slip when she denies what the prosecution's questions are asking. Even when she's said things to the contrary before. And her trying to discredit witnesses will hopefully look very poor to the jury.

 

[Kemug]

I think the reason she wouldn't admit it at first is two-fold.

One, she didn't want her victims to have the antidote in time.

Two, if she stalled then maybe the toxins would clear before the doctors tested them and her for death caps. In the end, the female victims didn't test positive because they had cleared out of their systems already.

And EP had valid defense for not testing positive because she was not tested in time either.

RSBM
OMG, that is WICKED!

 

[MrJ]

I get there are people that want to always see the best in others. But how can some people defend Erin? Even if you think she is innocent, fine that's your opinion and neither will be proven until the jury's verdict is in. But still her lies, denying everything even when the evidence is literally RIGHT THERE, her seeming smarminess to questions, her throwing everyone else under the bus to save herself from the fallout of her own alleged behaviour. I don't see what others see that makes them defend her. She comes across as quite arrogant and manipulative tbh. Poor Simon and the children. Lives ruined for no other reason than ego IMO

 

[Detechtive]

I was actually starting to think maybe she didn’t try to kill Simon because isolating him from his support network would have been an ultimate win for her,

But then I remembered the death cap leftovers in the bin. That was Simon’s pastie IMO. Simon is the person she blames for everything awry, and he was her main target and the others were mostly collateral to her. She invited them to pressure Simon to come, because Simon was pulling away and was done with her. IMO

Again, classic DV offender behaviour - they’re most at risk when they’re leaving.

It feels worse to think that his parents and the aunty and uncle were just disposable collateral, not even the main target of her rage other than that the in laws were a strong support for Simon, IMO

 

[Ellery84]

I get there are people that want to always see the best in others. But how can some people defend Erin? Even if you think she is innocent, fine that's your opinion and neither will be proven until the jury's verdict is in. But still her lies, denying everything even when the evidence is literally RIGHT THERE, her seeming smarminess to questions, her throwing everyone else under the bus to save herself from the fallout of her own alleged behaviour. I don't see what others see that makes them defend her. She comes across as quite arrogant and manipulative tbh. Poor Simon and the children. Lives ruined for no other reason than ego IMO

Sub Judice is in place so it limits what people can and can’t say.

 

[Ellery84]

Can someone explain to Erin that obesity is not cancer? Like I know she’s not been to nursing school yet, but surely she knows the difference?

 

[JBowie]

I agree.

I think the reason she wouldn't admit it at first is two-fold.

One, she didn't want her victims to have the antidote in time.

Two, if she stalled then maybe the toxins would clear before the doctors tested them and her for death caps. In the end, the female victims didn't test positive because they had cleared out of their systems already.

And EP had valid defense for not testing positive because she was not tested in time either.

In that scenario, assuming autopsies showed evidence of poisoning, she would have to hoped that police were so incompetent that they would not link the things that the deceased all had in common and then trace their movements back to her lunch event.

 

[MrJ]

I was actually starting to think maybe she didn’t try to kill Simon because isolating him from his support network would have been an ultimate win for her,

But then I remembered the death cap leftovers in the bin. That was Simon’s pastie IMO. Simon is the person she blames for everything awry, and he was her main target and the others were mostly collateral to her. She invited them to pressure Simon to come, because Simon was pulling away and was done with her. IMO

Again, classic DV offender behaviour - they’re most at risk when they’re leaving.

It feels worse to think that his parents and the aunty and uncle were just disposable collateral, not even the main target of her rage other than that the in laws were a strong support for Simon, IMO

This exchange from today says it all.

"Later, prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC asked Erin about the sixth beef Wellington that was prepared for the lunch.

Rogers: You intended to serve one of those beef Wellingtons to Simon Patterson, had he turned up at the lunch?

Erin Patterson: If he'd come, I would have given him a beef Wellington too ... but not one with death cap mushrooms intentionally."

Why the qualifier? Who the hell says that? It makes me think that she unintentionally shared part of her alleged motive imo

 

[Kemug]

Patterson said she hadn’t given the lunch guests any reason for the invitation to the lunch on July 29, 2023.

“I didn’t give them any reason when I invited them, I just invited them,” Patterson said.

RSBM
Out of the goodness of her heart.

 

[JBowie]

Can someone explain to Erin that obesity is not cancer? Like I know she’s not been to nursing school yet, but surely she knows the difference?

Nonetheless, Dr Google says: Obesity is linked to an increased risk of developing at least 13 types of cancer. These cancers include those of the esophagus, breast, liver, gallbladder, kidney, bowel, multiple myeloma, meningioma, thyroid, gastric cardia, pancreas, ovaries, and uterus. The connection between obesity and cancer is complex, involving factors like increased insulin, inflammation, and altered hormone levels.