Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[MrJ]

Liposuction came completely out of nowhere. Madness.

 

[Shortfusepsb]

Caught in the gastric bypass lie...

 

[MrJ]

Urghhhh this is getting ridiculous.

Key Event
Just now
Erin Patterson tells court she doesn't remember visiting the iNaturalist webite

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers summarises Ms Patterson's evidence from last week about whether a visit to the iNaturalist site on May 28, 2022 was the "first time" she had visited the site.

"I don't remember ever visiting iNaturalist," Ms Patterson says.

"I suggest you were familiar with the iNaturalist website before this date, because you entered iNaturalist as the specific search term. Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I would have to disagree," Ms Patterson says.

"Did you have an interest in death cap mushrooms on 28 May, 2022?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I have no idea," Ms Patterson says. "My only interest ever was to find out if they [were] in South Gippsland or not."

When asked if it was her who navigated the page that day, Ms Patterson replied: "Well somebody did. And that somebody could've been me."

 

[MsMarple]

Is she taking the p***??? Maybe it was gastric band surgery, or it could have been liposuction? Hey, maybe it was for macular degeneration....no wait, wait, it was my dodgy elbow that was playing up again. Who forgets what type of surgery they are scheduled in for? This is getting ridiculous.

It is getting ridiculous. Laughable even. This supposedly intelligent woman can’t remember what her alleged appointment was for? Liposuction is not even close to gastric bypass.

Clearly she continues to believe she’s the smartest person in the room…

 

[MsMarple]

2m ago10.47 AEST
Erin Patterson cross-examined on evidence about weight loss surgery appointment

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC says on Friday Erin Patterson told the jury she had a pre-surgery appointment for gastric bypass procedure for weight loss at the Enrich clinic in Melbourne. She said it was booked for September 2023.

Rogers says the clinic provides services in cosmetic surgery.

“I don’t know,” Patterson says.

Rogers says Patterson cancelled the September appointment.

Rogers puts to Patterson: “The Enrich clinic does not offer gastric bypass surgery... Agree or disagree?”

“I don’t know,” Patterson says.

Rogers says the clinic also does not offer appointments for gastric bypass surgery or gastric sleeve surgery.

“I don’t know,” Patterson says.

I’m a bit puzzled.

Rogers says the appointment had “nothing to do with gastric bypass surgery.”

Patterson says it “would have been related to weight loss surgery.”

I was looking into liposuction as well.

Rogers says Patterson’s evidence that she had an appointment at the clinic for gastric bypass surgery was a lie.

Patterson says it “wasn’t a lie.”

That’s what my memory was.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I think she definitely wanted to finish off SP once and for all. Then maybe have the remaining family slowly becoming more mysteriously unwell over time.

I don't think she was going to nurse them to good health, that would be crazy unrealistic. Just to reassure herself they will die over the next few months or years of mystery ailments, whilst she could fuss and control them and ingratiate herself with them.

If SP was out of the way, her kids would be looking at inheritances too no doubt.

There's no part of me that believes EP thought hey ho, I'll just kill five people today and nobody will suspect me whatsover, that's my plan and even if they do they can't prove it. She was working to a different outcome, I'm sure of it.

She could of course be completely away with the fairies and have been profoundly unwell and nonsensical.
JMO MOO

So are you suggesting that she put different quantities of the dried Death Caps in each individual Beef Wellington? I can't see it personally...

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Say what? Is it only me who’s suspicious about her “answer for everything” tailoring her answers to fit the facts? I’m shocked that the accused believes she’ll be believed.

Is all of this Gastric Bypass stuff being discussed to further show that she's a chronic liar?

 

[MrJ]

BBM

1m ago
Prosecutor asks if Erin Patterson used her computer

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers has been taking Ms Patterson to more website visits captured in forensic digital analysis of a computer seized from Ms Patterson's home.

The prosecutor asks if it was Ms Patterson who, shortly after viewing the iNaturalist site on May 28, 2022, went to the Korumburra Middle Pub's website to buy a meal online.

"I'm not suggesting anything," Ms Patterson replies when asked if she's suggesting her children accessed the page. "I don't remember if it's me."

There's then a bit of an awkward exchange between Ms Patterson and Dr Rogers:

Ms Patterson: Before you do, Dr Rogers, within this record is that second visit to Bricker Reserve that I was talking about-

Dr Rogers: I'm the person who asks the questions. If there's something that needs to be clarified in re-examination then your barrister will do so.

Ms Patterson: No problem.

 

[Shortfusepsb]

Just for kicks, I have been putting todays ABC updates into ChatGPT and getting it transferred to a racecallers transcript... Probably not suitable for here, but I am finding it quite funny...

 

[MsMarple]

1m ago10.54 AEST

Erin Patterson says she does not remember ever visiting website iNaturalist​

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC takes ErinPatterson to a digital report of a computer that police seized from her house a week after the lunch.

The court previously heard that electronic records from the computer showed it had been used to visit webpages listing sightings of death cap mushrooms on the citizen science website iNaturalist in May 2022.

Patterson says she does not remember ever visiting iNaturalist.

Rogers says Patterson was familiar with the website because she entered it as the search term on the search engine.

“I would have to disagree,” Patterson says.

Asked about her interest in death cap mushrooms, Patterson says she only wanted to know whether they grew in South Gippsland.

The court has previously heard that a URL visited minutes afterwards on the same computer on 28 May 2022 appeared to show an order for food had been placed at the Korumburra Middle Hotel.

Rogers says Patterson placed this order.

Patterson says “I don’t know.”

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Urghhhh this is getting ridiculous.

Key Event
Just now
Erin Patterson tells court she doesn't remember visiting the iNaturalist webite

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers summarises Ms Patterson's evidence from last week about whether a visit to the iNaturalist site on May 28, 2022 was the "first time" she had visited the site.

"I don't remember ever visiting iNaturalist," Ms Patterson says.

"I suggest you were familiar with the iNaturalist website before this date, because you entered iNaturalist as the specific search term. Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I would have to disagree," Ms Patterson says.

"Did you have an interest in death cap mushrooms on 28 May, 2022?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I have no idea," Ms Patterson says. "My only interest ever was to find out if they [were] in South Gippsland or not."

When asked if it was her who navigated the page that day, Ms Patterson replied: "Well somebody did. And that somebody could've been me."

Oh, FFS!

 

[katydid23]

I've always thought this was a key element, and one that I've never fully had answered. If she'd simply said from the beginning that she accidentally foraged the mushrooms and as a result 3 people were dead, would she have faced any charges?

If so, I suspect this has a lot to do with the denials of foraging and the obvious Asian grocer lie. After all, guilty or innocent, she wanted to paint it as not being her fault at all initially.

I think it could still be 'criminal negligence manslaughter' type of thing. Not sure if that is relevant in Victoria.


In Victoria, Negligent Manslaughter is a common law offence. It is committed by a person who owed someone else a duty of care. The person must have then acted carelessly which breached their duty of care and, as a result, the person caused another person's death

----- “criminal negligence” is when a person fails to recognize the substantial and unjustifiable risk that his/her conduct will cause the death of another person.


Examples of criminally negligent homicide include when you cause the death of another person after:

• texting while driving a motor vehicle at top speeds in a crowded neighborhood,
• firing a deadly weapon in the air at a crowded celebration,
• leaving a child in an unattended car in hot weather, and.

You commit the offense of negligent homicide if you:

1. commit some act of criminal negligence, and
2. the act results in another person’s death.1

In general, “criminal negligence” is where you disregard some obvious risk or the safety of others. Note, though, that state criminal laws vary on the precise definition of the term.

 

[MsMarple]

Is all of this Gastric Bypass stuff being discussed to further show that she's a chronic liar?

I think she’s claiming that’s what the big lunch discussion was supposed to be about instead of a cancer claim.

 

[katydid23]

The only thing that complicates it, would be the aspect of her having knowledge of DC mushrooms.

If it's totally innocent, like you'd gone out with a group picking mushrooms for the first time and got it wrong then fair enough.

If you're a forager with knowledge of DC mushrooms, and you end up picking DC mushrooms is there not an element of negligence/risk taking?

It would seem harsh to jail somebody for this, but at the same time sending out the message that if you pick mushrooms you better be 100% sure they're safe, isn't a bad thing IMO.

Especially if you go ahead and SERVE foraged mushrooms to a group of people without informing them. Why force them to take that risk by not giving them a chance to decide for themselves?

 

[Deleted member 363451]

BBM

1m ago
Prosecutor asks if Erin Patterson used her computer

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers has been taking Ms Patterson to more website visits captured in forensic digital analysis of a computer seized from Ms Patterson's home.

The prosecutor asks if it was Ms Patterson who, shortly after viewing the iNaturalist site on May 28, 2022, went to the Korumburra Middle Pub's website to buy a meal online.

"I'm not suggesting anything," Ms Patterson replies when asked if she's suggesting her children accessed the page. "I don't remember if it's me."

There's then a bit of an awkward exchange between Ms Patterson and Dr Rogers:

Ms Patterson: Before you do, Dr Rogers, within this record is that second visit to Bricker Reserve that I was talking about-

Dr Rogers: I'm the person who asks the questions. If there's something that needs to be clarified in re-examination then your barrister will do so.

Ms Patterson: No problem.

Bricker Reserve??

 

[Two SCents]

Enrich Targeted Liposuction and Fat Scraping.

Perhaps this is where she was having an assessment, but for liposuction not gastric by-pass surgery.

Targeted Liposuction & Fat Scraping

At ENRICH, we offer treatment options to reduce unwanted targeted pockets of fat with both surgical and non-surgical options.

www.enrichclinic.com.au

 

[MrJ]

Erin claims Ian Wilkinson is a liar. Omg.

1m ago
Erin Patterson says Ian Wilkinson's evidence about colour of the lunch plates was incorrect

By Joseph Dunstan

The prosecutor then takes Erin Patterson back to her account of the lunch at the centre of the trial, where her four guests ate beef Wellingtons containing death cap mushrooms.

The court hears a recap of how Ms Patterson plated up the food while Ian Wilkinson and Don Patterson were some distance from the bench, which contained the five plates.

Dr Rogers then turns to a key point of difference in Erin Patterson and Mr Wilkinson's evidence of the plates they ate from.

Mr Wilkinson told the jury the four guests ate from grey plates, while their host ate from an orange-coloured one.

Dr Rogers suggests that Erin's account, that she only had white, black and red-and-black plates, was a lie. Ms Patterson rejects the suggestion.

"Do you say that Ian Wilkinson has given incorrect evidence around the issue of the plates?" Dr Rogers asks.

"Yes, I do," Ms Patterson replies.

 

[Shortfusepsb]

Enrich Targeted Liposuction and Fat Scraping.

Perhaps this is where she was having an assessment, but for liposuction not gastric by-pass surgery.

Targeted Liposuction & Fat Scraping

At ENRICH, we offer treatment options to reduce unwanted targeted pockets of fat with both surgical and non-surgical options.

www.enrichclinic.com.au

The "Lyposuction" was a reactive response by her, another lie when she was caught out. Nothing more.

 

[Shortfusepsb]

Last week, Justice Beale indicated that there may be further evidence submitted by the prosecution... imagine if they have found the plates...

 

[L_B]

I think she’s claiming that’s what the big lunch discussion was supposed to be about instead of a cancer claim.

Yep, the cancer "lie" was to cover her really getting a gastric bypass..... which has now uncovered it was at a clinic that is for cosmetic procedures, as opposed to surgical procedures. I can't believe her defense is letting her use this "evidence"