GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #18

[Scooby-Doo]

Fake news.

Most media outlets are reporting this

We'll have to wait and see what happens

But certainly her defence wouldn't want this reported

 

[Eloise]

I have enthusiastically munched on various baked items that my children - whilst learning to bake - have left parts of egg shells in, and have neither been poisoned nor had digestive issues.

No, its not the egg shells part. I mean all these cooking-related prison stories coming out about her. Highly doubt she's ever been let near the kitchen.

I feel like fellow prisoners might be making up stories. Another poster shared a link saying the prison themselves have denied it.

 

[Tortoise]

"She sat quietly in a chair that was only a couple of metres away from Ian and Heather," he recalled.

"That absence of concern for the wellbeing of Ian and Heather, I found that quite stark in terms of its oddness. And that contributed to the ongoing tapestry in my mind of her culpability."

Dr Webster believes Erin Patterson simply wanted her in-laws and her estranged husband's family out of her life.

"She's sociopathic,"

he said.
"She didn't want the in-laws in her life, in particular the ex-husband.

"I think because she wanted her children to be her children and not children of a man and a family that she either didn't understand or didn't make efforts to connect with.

"For whatever reason, she wanted people out of her life and rather than doing it the way normal person does, she made the very true connection in her mind that, well, if they're dead, they'll be out of my life."

Families of mushroom killer's victims 'dignified' till the end, says ICU doctor

Erin Patterson has been described as a sociopath by one doctor who met with her while another describes the true horrors of watching her victims suffer.

www.abc.net.au

I think he's spot on.

MOO

 

[Tortoise]

What date did she do her carport interview?

I'm wondering why she thought Ian had died and not Don. Clearly no one was updating her, but wouldn't it have been in the news?

 

[JBowie]

Most media outlets are reporting this

We'll have to wait and see what happens

But certainly her defence wouldn't want this reported

In that case they are conveniently ignoring this statement from VIC Justice published on 7 July in the H-S

 

[Yh5r]

What date did she do her carport interview?

I'm wondering why she thought Ian had died and not Don. Clearly no one was updating her, but wouldn't it have been in the news?

I don't think it would have been news this early on. The doctors were busy treating patients and not concerned with public relations.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

In that case they are conveniently ignoring this statement from VIC Justice published on 7 July in the H-S

They must be; they have their lawyers to direct these news outlets.

They must be confident in their source

 

[Kemug]

Im not convinced she kept powdered DCs. I imagine she used everything that she’d prepared in the meal. I’m thinking some other incriminating items that didn’t go to the tip that she still had with her. Ofcourse though, she may have had some still on hand for Simon. Or a beef Wellington prepared for him that she had to dispose of.

Yes, I don't think she had given up on Simon, why would she? He was Enemy No 1.

 

[Monstradamus]

What date did she do her carport interview?

I'm wondering why she thought Ian had died and not Don. Clearly no one was updating her, but wouldn't it have been in the news?

I'm thinking Friday morning? After Heather and Gail had passed away, but before Don? And before the search / police interview?

 

[iamshadow21]

I'm thinking Friday morning? After Heather and Gail had passed away, but before Don? And before the search / police interview?

But at one point she talks about how sad it is that Heather, Gail and Ian have died and she hopes Don survives.

Just just flat couldn't be bothered to remember which close relatives had died.

MOO

 

[Little Jack]

The son was 14 at the time, you'd tell him you're heading out? I still do with my 17 year old 'child'.

I would, yes. But I dont think she did, as she was disposing of evidence.

 

[Monstradamus]

But at one point she talks about how sad it is that Heather, Gail and Ian have died and she hopes Don survives.

Just just flat couldn't be bothered to remember which close relatives had died.

MOO

I just looked it up. It was Sun 7th August, 2023. Only Ian still clinging to life at that point.

 

[Porky1]

"She sat quietly in a chair that was only a couple of metres away from Ian and Heather," he recalled.

"That absence of concern for the wellbeing of Ian and Heather, I found that quite stark in terms of its oddness. And that contributed to the ongoing tapestry in my mind of her culpability."

Dr Webster believes Erin Patterson simply wanted her in-laws and her estranged husband's family out of her life.

Oh dear. That’s haunting. I can’t imagine he will ever forget that image of EP in the hospital, in close proximity to Heather and Ian.

I wonder whether she would have stopped if she successfully poisoned Simon and got away with it. She could have moved away and cut ties with the family if they were causing such distress.

We don’t know the backstory to their marriage, or the breakdown, to drive someone to consider doing what she has done. But, there is no excuse.

The lifelong damage to her children’s mental health, the impact on their relationships. In a way, she’s exposed them to a version of the childhood trauma that she apparently suffered but much much worse. What will become of those poor kids. Either way, 3 lives plus an attempted fourth could have been prevented.

 

[MaxDecimus13]

Oh wow. Clearly she has no qualifications in the science of small appliances.

It was awkward too, it was like she was correcting the podcaster by keeping saying dessicator.

 

[PinkButtercup]

She may have at least waited until the appeal.

Has there been an appeal lodged? If so, I assume it would be an appeal against the guilty verdict, but what are the grounds to the appeal? It can't be an appeal against the sentence, as it hasn't been handed down yet, surely?

Sorry, I'm just a little confused. I've seen mention of the defence preparing an appeal elsewhere too, and I don't understand why. Thanks.

 

[MaxDecimus13]

I think this book has been mentioned before, but my daughter has just reminded me about the book The Natural Way of Things by Charlotte Wood.

Australian author, literary fiction, won several awards and nominated for loads more. Dystopian novel where a group of women are sent away to an abandoned property in the middle of the desert. They have little in common apart from so-called sexual crimes.

One of their male guards is horrific towards them (you can imagine) and one of the women forages for mushrooms hoping to poison him. He realises her intentions and deliberately chooses plates at random, swapping his plate with a different woman every night. One evening the cook decides to kill herself - when everyone is eating she fries death caps for her own dinner only to have them snatched away by the guard who eats them himself.

The author has had long-standing academic roles, lecturing at universities.

Given Erin’s literary background I’m sure this would have been on her radar.

A fellow poster message me during the trial about the book as they'd read it. I've not seen them in a while and I'm sure they won't mind me posting the snippets from the book that they sent me:

There was an investigation, of course, and I was sacked as I'd expected, but no one could prove what happened was anything other than a tragic accident. Press interest died down after a few weeks."

Another snippet from Millie "Mistakes with mushrooms happen now and again even in the smartest of restaurants, apparently, and even to people who are very experienced with fungi. There is some types which can look very like another, so they say."

And Millie again "Originally I was going to poison the guests randomly, not kill them, perhaps a dodgy prawn here, some undercooked chicken and a bit of salmonella there. I brought the mushrooms with me, dried, some more poisonous than others. I wasn't really planning to use the big guns, though - not initially".

 

[seekingjustice**]

I'm starting to think that the rubbish run on Saturday, taking out those cardboard boxes and the rubbish bag, possibly with the plates and utensils wasn't about getting rid of evidence. It might have been more about removing anything potentially toxic from the house to avoid exposing herself or the kids.

I'm wondering this because I don't think she expected anyone to ever find out about the death cap mushrooms. If she was trying to destroy evidence that Saturday afternoon, I’d imagine she would have also gotten rid of the dehydrator right then, along with doing something about her phones, computer, and anything else that could link her to it.

But she didn’t dump the dehydrator until after the hospital suspected the poisoning as death caps. That’s when I think she panicked. Just thinking about her reaction when Dr. Webster confronted her at the hospital and told her it was death cap mushroom poisoning, and asked where she got the mushrooms from. That seems like the moment everything shifted and she started scrambling to cover her tracks.

 

[MaxDecimus13]

Has there been an appeal lodged? If so, I assume it would be an appeal against the guilty verdict, but what are the grounds to the appeal? It can't be an appeal against the sentence, as it hasn't been handed down yet, surely?

Sorry, I'm just a little confused. I've seen mention of the defence preparing an appeal elsewhere too, and I don't understand why. Thanks.

I've thought this. I'm not particularly au fait with the whole system, especially in Australia. I used to presume that you could appeal but I know that Lucy Letby has been denied one.

Is she likely to get an appeal or does it have to be based on something, like thinking the jury were too exposed to the news etc.

 

[mamamama9873]

I wonder whether she would have stopped if she successfully poisoned Simon and got away with it. She could have moved away and cut ties with the family if they were causing such distress.

I don’t think so necessarily - I believe no one would have been safe with Erin on the loose. Anyone who hurt her in any way, even unintentionally, could easily have ended up a victim of her foul play.

 

[Two SCents]

What date did she do her carport interview?

I'm wondering why she thought Ian had died and not Don. Clearly no one was updating her, but wouldn't it have been in the news?

Monday 7th August '23 was the carport interview.

Woman who cooked up poisonous mushrooms denies she did anything wrong

A woman who cooked a meal with poisonous mushrooms that resulted in the deaths of three people has tearfully denied she did anything wrong.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Friday 4th August '23 Police first interviewed EP.
Below is an audio re-enactment of when police informed her of Gale and Heather's passing, Don having had a liver transplant and not knowing a current prognosis for Ian. She may have misunderstood what she was told about Ian in this interview and may not have had an update after that day possibly.