GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

[JBowie]

It’s crazy to me that after all of this time, Erin has not had a proper medical or psych assessment.

Someone, make it make sense.

IMO

IMO she would have totally refused any such thing.

 

[JBowie]

Mr Mandy then turned to his submissions, conceding that it was “very grave offending”.
“We make no argument that the head sentence should be anything other than life imprisonment,” he said.

So this coming from her defence sounds to me like she is not going to bother with an appeal.

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
40m ago

Court adjourns for the day​

By Judd Boaz​

Justice Beale adjourns the court, and will spend the next fortnight to decide on the sentence for triple-murderer Erin Patterson.

During today's plea hearing, Justice Beale told the court that Patterson's crimes were egregious, and that it had been conceded that her actions relating to the deadly beef Wellington lunch constituted "worst category offending".

However, Justice Beale also expressed concerns for Patterson's current living conditions in the isolated Gordon Unit of the Dame Phyllis Frost Centre, saying her current arrangements did not sound "humane".

He will take all of these factors into account when deciding on a sentence for Erin Patterson.

In Victoria, the maximum jail sentence for murder is life imprisonment (25 years), with a minimum non-parole period of 30 years.

Patterson will have 28 days from the date of her sentence to begin the process of lodging an appeal, according to the Supreme Court of Victoria.

Prosecutors say Patterson had intent to kill months before mushroom lunch — as it happened

Convicted killer Erin Patterson will face a two day pre-sentence hearing after being found guilty of murdering three relatives by serving them beef Wellingtons that contained death cap mushrooms. Follow the hearing live.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Ellery84]

So this coming from her defence sounds to me like she is not going to bother with an appeal.

She may not have any financial means with which to fund an appeal. IMO

 

[Jake18]

Key Event
1m ago
Erin Patterson's autism spectrum disorder raised
Judd Boaz profile image
By Judd Boaz

Justice Beale asks Mr Mandy about Patterson's diagnosis with autism spectrum disorder.

Mr Mandy makes reference to depositions from Simon Patterson and Child Protective Services that detail various references to Patterson having autism spectrum disorder, ADHD and anxiety.

Mr Mandy says her mental health conditions mean Patterson finds imprisonment especially difficult, with his client unable to adapt to changes in routine.

Justice Beale tells Mr Mandy that it doesn't sound like there is much variation to Patterson's routine currently in the Gordon Unit.

Mr Mandy tells Justice Beale that things change on a "minute-by-minute" basis in the unit, including other "mentally ill" inmates causing disruption in the cells next door.

Prosecutors say Patterson had intent to kill months before mushroom lunch — as it happened

Convicted killer Erin Patterson will face a two day pre-sentence hearing after being found guilty of murdering three relatives by serving them beef Wellingtons that contained death cap mushrooms. Follow the hearing live.

www.abc.net.au

That’s interesting. Erin would have had the opportunity to have a formal autism assessment, if she wished. Why wouldn’t she? Or maybe that’s covered upthread.

 

[drsleuth]

Think I missed this one

3.40pm

Premeditation, the intention to kill and why the meal was served on different plates​

By​

Colin Mandy and Justice Christopher Beale are now discussing premeditation. This includes when Patterson first formed the intention to carry out her poison plot.

“There can be no argument that the acts were deliberate and that the intention was to kill,” Mandy said.

He said the defence accepted that on the morning of the lunch, as she prepared the meal, Patterson had formed the intention to harm her guests.

But Beale has asked how he should consider the earlier invitation by Patterson, on July 16 at the church service, for the Pattersons and Wilkinsons to attend lunch at her house.

Mandy is arguing the prosecution contended his client, right until the day of the lunch, may have, in fact, been intending to harm her estranged husband, Simon.

Beale said he placed a lot of store in the evidence of lunch survivor Ian Wilkinson, in particular about the different coloured plates the meals were served on.

Mandy accepted that his client’s behaviour after lunch was an aggravating factor in her offending. That included her lies about being unwell and disposal of the dehydrator.

The ‘elaborate’ cover-up after the beef Wellington lunch and the single word that might have changed everything

September 8 is the date Erin Patterson will learn her fate – whether that be life in prison without the possibility of parole, as the prosecution has requested, or life with the possibility of the poisoner one day walking outside of jail once again.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Monstradamus]

He may have got her assessed post conviction and it was unfavourable. Pretty sure they don't have to present all assessments in sentence mitigation. But they do have to disclose assessments gotten pre-trial. IMO

That's what I think has happened. An unfavourable Psych report.
Mandy still threw his hat in the ring though, but he missed.

 

[Monstradamus]

That’s interesting. Erin would have had the opportunity to have a formal autism assessment, if she wished. Why wouldn’t she? Or maybe that’s covered upthread.

Yes, the means and the opportunity. Never happened, though

 

[JBowie]

She may not have any funds with which to appeal. IMO

Oh dear, what a shame.

 

[Ellery84]

That's what I think has happened. An unfavourable Psych report.
Mandy still threw his hat in the ring though, but he missed.

This makes a lot of sense. Mandy couldn’t produce anything but a hearsay diagnosis of autism, ADHD and anxiety.

The Crown/Prosecution had all of Erin’s medical records. They would have known what she wasn’t being treated for, before this point. They’ve had those records for circa 2 years.

Beale knows Erin Patterson has a history of being a non-credible witness; and he’s clearly not in the mood for her lies today - and quite frank, neither am I.

IMO

 

[Monstradamus]

Prosecutor wants jail with no parole for mushroom murderer Erin Patterson

The convicted triple-murderer faced lunch survivor Ian Wilkinson and her victims' loved ones during an emotional pre-sentence hearing in Melbourne on Monday.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SouthAussie]

At the end off the day, I don't think it will matter.

Going by a few of the comments Judge Beale has said today............she's toast

And it sounds to me that Colin Mandy is just fighting for a 30 year non-parole period. To give her a chance at getting out one day. He knows she's toast.

imo

 

[MrJ]

Frankly I have no time for complaining about not going to the library or being isolated. Prison is a deterrent. It’s not a luxury resort. And also weaponising very real and very debilitating conditions to try and get a lesser sentence when you’re not diagnosed is just incredibly offensive. It’s grotesque. Just like the murderer’s crimes

Edit: obviously if there are gross human rights violations in prison that’s a different story. Complaining about prison conditions otherwise just seems really out of touch considering the circumstances of depriving three lovely humans of their lives.

 

[bfew]

And it sounds to me that Colin Mandy is just fighting for a 30 year non-parole period. To give her a chance at getting out one day. He knows she's toast.

imo

Vegemite on toast.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

"It felt good at the time"?

I don't think she'll have a long life anyway. They aren't letting her outside, so it’s doubtful that she gets any exercise. Tough titties.

 

[dothetime]

And why is she suddenly grooming herself? She hardly ran a brush through her hair for her entire life. IMO

Maybe she uses it to 'iron' her crochet works, given an iron would be too risky for her to handle?

 

[SouthAussie]

I hope not.

Internet access is prohibited for Victoria's prisoners.


Internet, email and social media access by prisoners is prohibited.

https://www.corrections.vic.gov.au/being-in-prison/property-and-clothing

 

[Ellery84]

Frankly I have no time for complaining about not going to the library or being isolated. Prison is a deterrent. It’s not a luxury resort. And also weaponising very real and very debilitating conditions to try and get a lesser sentence when you’re not diagnosed is just incredibly offensive. It’s grotesque. Just like the murderer’s crimes

Edit: obviously if there are gross human rights violations in prison that’s a different story. Complaining about prison conditions otherwise just seems really out of touch considering the circumstances of depriving three lovely humans of their lives.

I just read your post and it’s all very on-brand for Erin, isn’t it?

Out of touch. Offensive. Grotesque. Entitled. These were the hallmarks of her entire trial. IMO. On the defence side, not the side of the prosecution.

All imo

 

[Jake18]

It’s crazy to me that after all of this time, Erin has not had a proper medical or psych assessment.

Someone, make it make sense.

IMO

I suspect she hasn’t wanted one

Yes, the means and the opportunity. Never happened, though

This makes a lot of sense. Mandy couldn’t produce anything but a hearsay diagnosis of autism, ADHD and anxiety.

The Crown/Prosecution had all of Erin’s medical records. They would have known what she wasn’t being treated for, before this point. They’ve had those records for circa 2 years.

Beale knows Erin Patterson has a history of being a non-credible witness; and he’s clearly not in the mood for her lies today - and quite frank, neither am I.

IMO

An ASD diagnosis wouldn’t make her less criminally culpable though.

Maybe she didn’t want an assessment - didn’t want people thinking her unique brain and ever-so special intellect had social communication deficits? I appreciate the wait time for the general public is long, but forensic psychologists would have a different clientele and there was loads of time before the trial started.

Although she seemed unfazed about people thinking she’d done a poo in the bushes and then not washed her hands before handling food , so maybe what Erin would have found embarrassing is different to others. She didn’t mind telling the court her son was “confused” and (making up, IMO) an eating disorder.

 

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