GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

[Kemug]

30 years plus - that's a whole lot of crocheted blankets! The homeless people of Melbourne will be warm at last! Thank you Erin!

 

[Detechtive]

NGL, as a nerdy introvert myself, her prison conditions sound kind of ideal. Meals provided, private exercise yard, library, computer, hobbies (like crochet), kitchenette, TV, social isolation, books, free university courses, access to dental, medical, programmes, etc etc... does it get better for an introvert?

I am hardly pitiful of her prison conditions. She's not stuck in a Shangai prison begging for food and bandaids and bleach for her filthy toilet.

I hope she gets LWOP and spends the rest of her life in this oasis for introverts (although, I wish it was more punishing). May she rot in hell! IMO

 

[Monstradamus]

30 years plus - that's a whole lot of crocheted blankets! The homeless people of Melbourne will be warm at last! Thank you Erin!

I'm surprised she's allowed crochet/knitting needles

 

[Detechtive]

I'm surprised she's allowed crochet/knitting needles

Because she's isolated, I suppose she gets more 'benefits' - even the hair straightener would be considered a 'weapon' in a gen-pop prison population. IMO

 

[Monstradamus]

Because she's isolated, I suppose she gets more 'benefits' - even the hair straightener would be considered a 'weapon' in a gen-pop prison population. IMO

I was thinking more of self harm.
I doubt she would attack another prisoner, she's a coward.

 

[Detechtive]

I was thinking more of self harm.
I doubt she would attack another prisoner, she's a coward.

The main reason she is isolated is due to media interest and her high profile - there is a duty of care to "high profile" inmates to protect their privacy, basically, inmates will take advantage of her and breach her privacy for media appearances and 'special benefits in prison' for 'dobbing on her' - which is why she is isolated. Nobody is going to shiv her, but they will invade her privacy due to the high nature profile of her.

She's not in there for a threat to others, and she isn't a threat to others (per se) unless she shares communal space with them, which they also have a duty of care to protect other prisoners from her.

I do love that we live in a country which offers inmates rehabilitation and humane conditions for their sentencing, however, in cases like this, I sometimes wish we were more punitive as a culture, because I honestly think her prison conditions are quite luxurious for someone who has committed such atrocities. Especially Victoria - renowned for light sentencing and over the top advocacy for prisoners rights, IMO.

I can't imagine the US giving her so many luxuries, for example.

IMO.

 

[Ellery84]

I was thinking more of self harm.
I doubt she would attack another prisoner, she's a coward.

I’m sure they’ve done a self harm assessment and rated her pretty low enough to have crocheting needles and a hair straightener?

They may have standard risk assessment templates and such.

IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

I think this illustrates what Justice Beale said when he said that 4 generations have been affected.


A family tree of the Patterson and Wilkinson families prepared for Erin Patterson's pre-sentence hearing.


Picture: NewsWire / Supreme Court of Victoria

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/erin-patterson-mushroom-cook-set-to-face-family-in-two-day-presentence-hearing/news-story/964181537e203838d28e86c8f674d106

 

[Deleted member 367982]

I suspect she hasn’t wanted one
An ASD diagnosis wouldn’t make her less criminally culpable though.

You can't make a criminal undertake an assessment. It's voluntary.
Apart from her living conditions in jail, trying to say she was a bit loopy was all her high-paid lawyer could deliver today to get her sentence reduced to what he said should be a minimum of 30 years.
If I was Erin, I would have put in an ambit claim of 20 years because you can only go up.
That's why I think she could have done a better job representing herself.

 

[Detechtive]

I was thinking more of self harm.
I doubt she would attack another prisoner, she's a coward.

Self harm for ASPD people is very rare - they simply don't feel the depths of emotion and hopeless the rest of us do. They ordinarily only ever go to this degree of desperation for attention, sympathy, and, when all of their avenues to manipulate people and the system fail, then they are at risk. Like Epstein - I am one of the few people on the planet who think he legitimately did kill himself, because his game was well and truly up after being offered 'slaps on the wrist' which still allowed him to partake in his criminal, manipulative, predatory behaviour due to his privilege and connections. This is the only time we ever see ASPD people self-harm (to completion - suicide). In her case, I think we have at least 10 years of her malingering, manipulation and belligerence before that is a risk. IMO

 

[MaxDecimus13]

Key Event
Just now

Today's court sketch​

By Judd Boaz​

Media has once again descended upon the Erin Patterson trial, today at the Supreme Court of Victoria in Melbourne's CBD.

It has been an emotional day for the convicted triple-murderer, as she fought back tears during the victim impact statement given by Ian Wilkinson.

Here is a court sketch of Patterson as she stood in courtroom.

Erin Patterson at her plea hearing (ABC News)

Prosecutors say Patterson had intent to kill months before mushroom lunch — as it happened

Convicted killer Erin Patterson will face a two day pre-sentence hearing after being found guilty of murdering three relatives by serving them beef Wellingtons that contained death cap mushrooms. Follow the hearing live.

www.abc.net.au

Slight correction: as she tried to make it look like she was holding back tears.

 

[JBowie]

Nobody is going to shiv her

I tend to disagree. From what I've read about her penchant for ridiculing/belittling people I think she would be ripe for attack.

A fellow I know who did time for a serious motor vehicle incident involving a death said in jail the rules for survival are keep a low profile, be polite and don't look too long at anyone.

 

[Detechtive]

I tend to disagree. From what I've read about her penchant for ridiculing/belittling people I think she would be ripe for attack.

A fellow I know who did time for a serious motor vehicle incident involving a death said in jail the rule for survival is keep a low profile, be polite and don't look too long at anyone.

I don't believe the reports about her in there. While I don't think she would be friendly, I also don't think she would be stupid enough or brave enough to ridicule people to their faces. She operates behind the computer screen in this capacity, like most vicious cowards and poisoners, they do everything by stealth.

IMO

 

[Moll]

On the serious matter of crochet:

Maybe she uses it to 'iron' her crochet works, given an iron would be too risky for her to handle?

Who would ever iron a piece of crochet?

I'm surprised she's allowed crochet/knitting needles

You can't do much to anyone let alone yourself with a crochet hook. Well, poke at someone's eye, perhaps. Hooks are not needles, and they usually have rounded hook ends.

 

[Ellery84]

Did Erin’s “eating disorder” disappear from the proceedings today?

 

[Detechtive]

On the serious matter of crochet:

Who would ever iron a piece of crochet?

You can't do much to anyone let alone yourself with a crochet hook. Well, poke at someone's eye, perhaps.

Speaking of which... this comment by Erin hits differently since the murders....

 

[JBowie]

I don't believe the reports about her in there. While I don't think she would be friendly, I also don't think she would be stupid enough or brave enough to ridicule people to their faces. She operates behind the computer screen in this capacity, like most vicious cowards and poisoners, they do everything by stealth.

IMO

I'm referring to the reports from people who have worked with her. My point is if she continues with her custom of dissing people who she looks down on and/or who disagree with her point of view then she can expect retaliation: be that instant or when she least expects it.

 

[MaxDecimus13]

Maybe I'm being really dense but I can't quite make out what Ian was saying in his final comments where he said she had become a victim of his kindness?

All in all they were powerful statements and they were very brave for doing so. Simon's comments about people hiding in bushes and photographing him were a sad reality he has to live with because of her actions. The one about his children having to come to terms with knowing their mum is a murderer and that everybody knows it really got to me.

I watched a documentary on Lindy Chamberlain recently and essentially they all moved to America and started a new life. In those days, such a new life was possible but I doubt it would be nowadays.

 

[JBowie]

Did Erin’s “eating disorder” disappear from the proceedings today?

No mention of orange cake?

 

[ch_13]

On the serious matter of crochet:

Who would ever iron a piece of crochet?

You can't do much to anyone let alone yourself with a crochet hook. Well, poke at someone's eye, perhaps.

I was once a juror in a case where a prisoner turned an earbud into a shiv and used it to seriously injure another inmate. I can only imagine what he could have done with a long thin piece of metal.