GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

[Tortoise]

It just means they’re looking more at the murder charges as carrying more weight than the attempted murder charge, is how I took it.

IMO

It shouldn't depend upon the victim's capacity for responding to treatment, IMO. Her intention was the same for all victims.

In some ways I feel it's worse that Ian lives with a lifelong impediment and probably anticipates not living a healthy old age.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

As Simon said in his victim impact statement, not only have his kids lost their grandparents, but they've also lost having the normal relationship with their mother that most kids have. But then their mother isn't normal. When the court case was going on I saw so many comments on Tik Tok and even some in this thread, saying but she's still a good mother. Bollocks! She never considered her kids for one minute when she made the decision to kill Simons relatives! Their whole lives are going to be impacted, even to the point of affecting their future relationships. She's an evil, evil woman and I wish her all the misery in the world for everyone's lives that she's destroyed...

 

[MrJ]

That trust with food is going to be completely shattered, too, and even to repair that is going to take some serious counselling

 

[Deleted member 363451]

It shouldn't depend upon the victim's capacity for responding to treatment, IMO. Her intention was the same for all victims.

In some ways I feel it's worse that Ian lives with a lifelong impediment and probably anticipates not living a healthy old age.

His kidneys aren't good...

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Please my dear friends, can you stop talking about orange cake? Coles make a lovely one, and today I succumbed

Coles have some yummy cupcakes too.

 

[Detechtive]

Some more open source reports from former co-workers [bbm]:

Former co-workers told ABC she was “abrupt and abrasive”, and said she refused to join in social activities with colleagues.

Several nicknamed her “Scutter the Nutter” and “crazy Erin”. Others described her as “clever” but “manipulative”, with one saying she could “snap at the drop of a hat”.

One former colleague summed it up to ABC News as: “She was a ritual, habitual and pathological liar. She would just say anything to get away with anything.”

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Sorry I thought you meant prison guards, not former work colleagues.

 

[Monstradamus]

RSBM

He seems to be overlooking the fact that she could have provided information to the doctors, but she chose not to. She had no second thoughts about them, in their suffering, even if she claimed it was committed without intention.

That's what has always stuck with me from the beginning. Had the chance to possibly make a difference to the outcome, but deliberately chose not to.

 

[JBowie]

From Mandy's comments it hardly seems possible that she is going to appeal the verdict. The sentence when it comes, maybe.

She has only 28 days from the sentence to lodge an appeal.

 

[Monstradamus]

She has only 28 days from the verdict to lodge an appeal.

From the Sentencing.

 

[JBowie]

From the Sentencing.

Correct, I fixed that.

 

[Warshawski]

3.21pm

What non-parole period, if any, should Erin Patterson get?​

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Erin Patterson’s lawyer, Colin Mandy, SC, has conceded that his client deserves a life sentence for her crimes. However, the legal battle now centres on a key question: what, if any, non-parole period she should receive.

“This is very grave offending and we make no argument that the head sentence should be anything other than life in imprisonment,” Mandy said.

He said that even with a 30-year non-parole period, Patterson would be 80 years old before she could ever be considered for release.

Mandy also argued that the harsh conditions Patterson has faced in custody — including long periods of isolation — must be a factor in her sentencing.

He said that the burden of imprisonment would be “much greater” on Patterson due to her ongoing safety concerns and isolation.

The ‘elaborate’ cover-up after the beef Wellington lunch and the single word that might have changed everything

September 8 is the date Erin Patterson will learn her fate – whether that be life in prison without the possibility of parole, as the prosecution has requested, or life with the possibility of the poisoner one day walking outside of jail once again.

www.theage.com.au

Oh my Mr Mandy, I have to give it to you for trying !

The reality is that she did the crime, now she has to do the time - prison is / ( perhaps once was) a punishment, designed to make perpetrators reflect on their misdemeanours, and their cost, to pay their penalty by sacrifice & giving back, and hopefully to decide to repent and start afresh.

Nothing about ‘punishment’ as I understand it ( even when as a child, it was metered out by my mum) is about the offender setting the comfort standards of their ‘confinement’. And nothing about it should be easy.

However I think incarceration will be even more difficult for Erin & persons like her who are used to having total control, and to being able to manipulate people and situations to suit their particular situation / will. To make prison bearable & to survive will require a whole heap more people skills than what EP appears to possess so there’s a learning curve ahead. And that’s on her for committing the atrocities she’s committed. It’s not on the justice system to feel sorry for her because she finds it hard - poor Erin. I wonder if she considers how hard it was for her victims as they fought for their lives. .. I doubt it as she’s made no utterance of care.

Pastor Ian generously handed her some words of wisdom regarding possible steps forward - but sadly I can’t see Erin making any genuine plea of honesty, remorse or repentance.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

19 minutes ago

Judge questions Patterson's Asperger's claim​

Victorian Supreme Court judge Christopher Beale has questioned the evidentiary basis of Erin Patterson’s claim that she suffers from Asperger’s syndrome.

Patterson’s defence counsel, Colin Mandy SC, told the court the claim appeared in the brief of evidence, including in conversations with her estranged husband, Simon Patterson.

Mr Mandy said the claim was supported by a recorded conversation between Child Protective Services and Patterson, in which is was noted Patterson had Asperger’s syndrome.

He also said Ian and Heather Wilkinson’s son, David Wilkinson, had told police he believed Patterson had “high-functioning autism”.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/erin-patterson-to-face-families-of-mushroom-murder-victims-in-court-at-plea-hearing/live-coverage/4fb924bec8e49d59cb0cd198c6ba02d8?amp#scroll-to-12831836

Seriously? CMandy uses other people who trusting believed EP's lies as evidence of the truth of the lie??????

That's rich. And not in a good way.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Crediting @Detechtive for this from the last thread, regarding the depth of the pain EP caused:

"Their suffering is cellular."

Concise, profound, true.

JMO

 

[blukat]

I was once a juror in a case where a prisoner turned an earbud into a shiv and used it to seriously injure another inmate. I can only imagine what he could have done with a long thin piece of metal.

Most likely the crochet hooks are plastic which are harder to make sharp. Not impossible but much harder to do. And the guards most likely keep track of them because they don't want to be on the receiving end if she did make one into a shiv.

The thing about her being known in prison is that other prisoners who are in there for life have nothing to lose but will gain popularity in there if they are able to either get info about her or make something happen to her. And it won't matter what prison they put her in. And given her reputation, it won't take much for other prisoners to assume she's trying to do something to them, even if she isn't.

But it's not like people don't know that prison is a bad place to spend your time. She had choices and she made terrible ones. It's all on her.

 

[Megnut]

SP and his family are good people. Never could SP have fathomed that EP would be willing to murder people with whom she had no issue.

EP lives with no remorse, but left SP with a lifetime of unfair guilt, that he should somehow have known the expanse of her venom, and predicted she'd poison anyone and everyone in her petty path. What a horrid thing to do to a deeply feeling person.

Contrast that with what EP did do and what she would have done. With SP's already compromised digestive tract, what would a poisoned BW have done to him? Fatal for sure but between ingestion and death -- SHE is inhumane, arguably inhuman.

She didn't get rid of the dehydrator on the first run IIRC. If SP wouldn't come to her lunch and wouldn't partake in the leftover BW, IMO she wasn't going to stop. She had more DCs to collect, dehydrate, powderize and serve.

EP doesn't feel remorse; IMO she believes she's RIGHT. STILL. SP and anyone who supports him, on her list.

She is vindictive, a poisoned personality who will hold that position, allowing it to fester, and -- if she is granted access -- will kill again. She plays the long game.

I pray she is sentenced to life without parole. If the judge grants her a sentence with parole, IMO he is sentencing SP, the children and their supporters a life sentence, whereby they will have to keep an eye on the parole schedule, prepare for and attend parole hearings in order to keep her in custody. Her potential freedom is an impediment to their peace, safety, and recovery.

SP's powerful impact statement shows what a good man he is, focused rightfully on his children, something EP is incapable of. She never once calculated the cost of her actions on them.

I hope the judge denies the possibility of parole and insodoing gives SP and what's left of his family that small piece of freedom.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

This I cannot understand -- how prison conditions and policy get to be possible mitigating factors.

The prison decides. They didn't commit three murders and attempt four. Erin did. If Erin needs to be kept in segregation for her own safety, that's on the prison. That's how they keep ALL the prisoners safe. That's how they keep everyone alive, it's how they keep order, for the benefit and safety of staff and inmates both. If it feels inhumane, take that up with whoever oversees the prisons. Her conditions aren't unique to her, and please dear God, don't grant her parole on account of them.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Love this judge! (Speaking to the Prosecution who is speaking about EP's unsupported claim/diagnosis) --

"You're pushing an open door."

Brilliant!!!

JMO

 

[Megnut]

IMO CMandy handed EP a defense but she wouldn't take it!

If she could have mustered even an ounce of real or faked remorse, she may have bought doubt from the jury and leniency from the judge.

But she didn't. She just overworked the court recorders with her long-windedness, spun stories that the Prosecution couldn't challenge or refute (which means none of it was EVIDENCE or CMandy would have had witnesses to support it) and managed to say a whole lot of nothing, never once providing a single convincing word that she cared about the violent deaths she caused.

Monsters walk among us. This one shouldn't, not anymore. Ever.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Ripples. Tsunamis.

Lost in all of this, two anonymous people who were waiting for livers, and would have received them, if EP hadn't harvested and delivered DC toxin to two individuals who suddenly needed liver transplants, only because of what she'd done.

That is two more people, two more families who are impacted by EP's callous actions.

JMO

 

[Bekind89]

NGL, as a nerdy introvert myself, her prison conditions sound kind of ideal. Meals provided, private exercise yard, library, computer, hobbies (like crochet), kitchenette, TV, social isolation, books, free university courses, access to dental, medical, programmes, etc etc... does it get better for an introvert?

I am hardly pitiful of her prison conditions. She's not stuck in a Shangai prison begging for food and bandaids and bleach for her filthy toilet.

I hope she gets LWOP and spends the rest of her life in this oasis for introverts (although, I wish it was more punishing). May she rot in hell! IMO

Totally agree. She is very fortunate that she didn't commit this crime in my country- anyone not here right now is very lucky.
The prison system in America is savage and a shameful disgrace. It's inhumane.
Her prison conditions are better than my living conditions at home and I committed no crime.