GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

[Warshawski]

Yes.

Beyond that, ideally there would be wider knowledge on the impacts of media bias/representation and how this influences public perception. A huge part of Erin’s guilt was assumed only days after the lunch due to her “strange” wording, facial expressions and overall behaviour.

There is a general lack of public knowledge in terms of nuances associated with conditions such as ASD. Occasionally this introduces harmful barriers during the investigation process (and following, for others who may be under the ND umbrella).

The impacts of this are often felt by those in the neurodiverse community and lends to the stigmatisation/gross generalisations of a widely misunderstood and complex human experience.

For every positive there’s a negative; or in the reverse. And as much I agree that knowledge is important ( even powerful) I have no problem with the early judgement of Erin, if for no other reason than her complete & utter disregard for the whole situation.

#1: I don’t believe she has been diagnosed or referred for diagnosis / treatment for any mental or physical ailments such as cancer of anywhere ( elbow, reproductive organs etc), bulimia, gastric banding etc

#2: certainly there are many people who don’t recognise / admit their need to address their mental health needs,

#3: however I don’t put Erin in that same box Why - because she’s not someone suffering from Depression, AHD, etc. and she’s not diagnosed with ASD ( her defence would be shouting it from the roof tops) instead she’s driven by her own sense of importance - ego & control .

#4: imo Erin has spent a life time honing her skills toward ensuring / manipulating things so she eventually achieved the life she wanted. ..

#5: and however foreign we might see that, I’ll suggest it’s just ‘another perspective’, dangerous though it’s been on this occasion.
Also I might suggest that she has company in that perspective ( a few politicians & world leaders)

#6: IMO she deliberately won over Simon (and his family) and coerced him into marriage because she saw him ( with his principles) as easy to manipulate. I am shocked & stunned at what she’s managed to get away with, and I’d hazard a guess that I’m not alone

#7: over time, as her confidence grew, so too did her plan.

#8: the 2 sides of EP morphed into 1 as she painstakingly researched, tested, planned & became ready to carry out her carefully orchestrated eradication.

#9: which she perfected - almost.

#10: the thing with those driven by ego ( in my experience) is that their focus is all upfront / on the promotion of themselves & their agenda. There ego is so great that they can’t even consider road blocks or issues - therefore they have no contingency, no back up etc. There's a saying about people who die by their own sword. Imo, this is just 1 example.

 

[Cedars]

I'm pretty sure anyone who has ever been in the process of separation/divorce has been keenly interested in what their ex is up to, and it often takes on some form of secretive 'stalking'. Driving past the ex's home or work, following online, uncomfortable but deep curiosity for info about them from mutual friends. Very rarely does it lead to violence.

After violence, any stalking is exposed by the criminal investigation. Whereas all the stalking that does not lead to a criminal investigation is kept secret by the stalker and resolved/quit.

Therefore I feel this 'stalking leads to murder' theory needs to be proven by research into non-murderous stalking, but it is very difficult because people don't want to reveal they've done it.

IMO planned murder is primarily driven by repetitive fantasy. The murderer imagines over and over again the gratification they would feel if they could ever go ahead with it. This is the theory proposed by many forensic psychologists and in the book The Murderer Next Door.

(Even in the case of this 'homicidal ideation', many, many people fantasize that, for eg, they'd like to kill their ex. But they don't do it.)

JMO

 

[MaxDecimus13]

There’s currently a show on Netflix called Unlnown Number which reminds me a lot of EP. I won’t spoil it for those who haven’t seen it, but suffice to say that the personality types seem quite similar, IMO.

Funny I came on to post about this for a different reason.

As someone who struggled with the motive side of things at times, this was proof that you just can't know what is going on in somebody's head and you can't rule out that some people will do things that are completely beyond the realms of what you can expect.

The idea that you still hear of 'why would she want them dead it doesn't make sense' isn't an argument on its own.

 

[Bekind89]

I don’t doubt that.

Everyone has there own legitimate perspective (as they should have)

However ‘perspective’ is often shaped by personal experiences, or to an area of interest / focus,

I’ll admit that despite already going through a huge array of ‘emotions’ / ‘judgements’ of EP (in regards only to her ‘personality’, not to her guilt ) that ‘array’ continues to widen.

To be honest, my perspective of Erin pre this appalling situation was largely shaped by what you’ve detailed + media reports of her background, family, travels etc with Simon. … and I didn’t class her as ‘basic’ on that.

Some things quickly became predictable i.e. lying to protect herself.

But who would predict anyone doing what she’s done ? Who would predict anyone having such little care for the well-being of another, let alone their family members - as she did ? Who would predict a mother throwing their kids to the wolves as she’s done ? etc ..
And in the context of such an elaborate & preplanned multiple murder, who would predict the clumbyness of the after…

My immediate thought of EP was that she’s akin to a cult leader . .. and at one time you were part of that ( some people manage to escape cults, but they are few - kudos to you & also to those you ‘saved’)

IMO Cult Leaders are so sure of their Control & their ability to brain wash & hold hostage, that there is no need to plan for the ‘ultimate what if’.

Erin is now facing her ‘ unplanned what if’, and I can understand that for those who are interested in delving into the psych of the negative aspects of an influencing, controlling & narcissistic personality, she would be a worthwhile study.

IMO

If you guys want to read about about a truly fascinating female serial poisoner, may I suggest Audrey Marie Hilley.
Buckle up if you do, it's a bumpy ride.

 

[Charlot123]

For every positive there’s a negative; or in the reverse. And as much I agree that knowledge is important ( even powerful) I have no problem with the early judgement of Erin, if for no other reason than her complete & utter disregard for the whole situation.

#1: I don’t believe she has been diagnosed or referred for diagnosis / treatment for any mental or physical ailments such as cancer of anywhere ( elbow, reproductive organs etc), bulimia, gastric banding etc

#2: certainly there are many people who don’t recognise / admit their need to address their mental health needs,

#3: however I don’t put Erin in that same box Why - because she’s not someone suffering from Depression, AHD, etc. and she’s not diagnosed with ASD ( her defence would be shouting it from the roof tops) instead she’s driven by her own sense of importance - ego & control .

#4: imo Erin has spent a life time honing her skills toward ensuring / manipulating things so she eventually achieved the life she wanted. ..

#5: and however foreign we might see that, I’ll suggest it’s just ‘another perspective’, dangerous though it’s been on this occasion.
Also I might suggest that she has company in that perspective ( a few politicians & world leaders)

#6: IMO she deliberately won over Simon (and his family) and coerced him into marriage because she saw him ( with his principles) as easy to manipulate. I am shocked & stunned at what she’s managed to get away with, and I’d hazard a guess that I’m not alone

#7: over time, as her confidence grew, so too did her plan.

#8: the 2 sides of EP morphed into 1 as she painstakingly researched, tested, planned & became ready to carry out her carefully orchestrated eradication.

#9: which she perfected - almost.

#10: the thing with those driven by ego ( in my experience) is that their focus is all upfront / on the promotion of themselves & their agenda. There ego is so great that they can’t even consider road blocks or issues - therefore they have no contingency, no back up etc. There's a saying about people who die by their own sword. Imo, this is just 1 example.

Very simple: one can discuss how their condition makes life difficult, and I am happy to listen and to sympathize. But anyone who says, “my mental condition made me poison my in-laws with death caps” better have a taller diagnosis then HFA. And while we are at this, prepare to explain how come they did’t look for help, because it was a meticulously planned act.

 

[Detechtive]

I don’t doubt that.

Everyone has there own legitimate perspective (as they should have)

However ‘perspective’ is often shaped by personal experiences, or to an area of interest / focus,

I’ll admit that despite already going through a huge array of ‘emotions’ / ‘judgements’ of EP (in regards only to her ‘personality’, not to her guilt ) that ‘array’ continues to widen.

To be honest, my perspective of Erin pre this appalling situation was largely shaped by what you’ve detailed + media reports of her background, family, travels etc with Simon. … and I didn’t class her as ‘basic’ on that.

Some things quickly became predictable i.e. lying to protect herself.

But who would predict anyone doing what she’s done ? Who would predict anyone having such little care for the well-being of another, let alone their family members - as she did ? Who would predict a mother throwing their kids to the wolves as she’s done ? etc ..
And in the context of such an elaborate & preplanned multiple murder, who would predict the clumbyness of the after…

My immediate thought of EP was that she’s akin to a cult leader . .. and at one time you were part of that ( some people manage to escape cults, but they are few - kudos to you & also to those you ‘saved’)

IMO Cult Leaders are so sure of their Control & their ability to brain wash & hold hostage, that there is no need to plan for the ‘ultimate what if’.

Erin is now facing her ‘ unplanned what if’, and I can understand that for those who are interested in delving into the psych of the negative aspects of an influencing, controlling & narcissistic personality, she would be a worthwhile study.

IMO

I was definitely never one of her cult members. I found her funny and interesting but I never fully liked her like the others did. I always thought something was wrong with her. I think this is another reason she hated me and made up such rubbish about me.

Her cult members are still attacking people from my group. They’re unhinged. I don’t think she just manipulated them but I think they’ve got similar personality disorders to Erin which is why they became close in the first place.

These people watched on while she attacked and stalked regular people. That is never okay. In our group I focused on investigating criminals but Erin always has a side quest creeping on regular people who weren’t charged with any crime. Her friends do the same and see no problem with it.

Erin is very hard to know - she’s spent her whole life lurking in the shadows.

 

[Detechtive]

I don’t doubt that.

Everyone has there own legitimate perspective (as they should have)

However ‘perspective’ is often shaped by personal experiences, or to an area of interest / focus,

I’ll admit that despite already going through a huge array of ‘emotions’ / ‘judgements’ of EP (in regards only to her ‘personality’, not to her guilt ) that ‘array’ continues to widen.

To be honest, my perspective of Erin pre this appalling situation was largely shaped by what you’ve detailed + media reports of her background, family, travels etc with Simon. … and I didn’t class her as ‘basic’ on that.

Some things quickly became predictable i.e. lying to protect herself.

But who would predict anyone doing what she’s done ? Who would predict anyone having such little care for the well-being of another, let alone their family members - as she did ? Who would predict a mother throwing their kids to the wolves as she’s done ? etc ..
And in the context of such an elaborate & preplanned multiple murder, who would predict the clumbyness of the after…

My immediate thought of EP was that she’s akin to a cult leader . .. and at one time you were part of that ( some people manage to escape cults, but they are few - kudos to you & also to those you ‘saved’)

IMO Cult Leaders are so sure of their Control & their ability to brain wash & hold hostage, that there is no need to plan for the ‘ultimate what if’.

Erin is now facing her ‘ unplanned what if’, and I can understand that for those who are interested in delving into the psych of the negative aspects of an influencing, controlling & narcissistic personality, she would be a worthwhile study.

IMO

Erin and her friends stalked me for 2 years
She stalked other members of our group for a long time too. I would think she still would be if it wasn’t for her being in jail. She’s obsessed and fixated.

I think people could have seen what she was capable of if they checked themselves. After our group split mostly because of Erin, Erin still tried to control all of us. She wouldn’t let us delete things etc. She was always creepy.

Her close friends never challenged her, never questioned her behaviour. They are yes people. Just happy to be nasty with Erin about Simon etc. In those kinds of echo chambers, people become more dangerous IMO.

As for what Erin shared personally with me - I don’t believe much of it is true. Some details about her sister and mother and Simon seem true but a lot doesn’t, in hindsight.

 

[Detechtive]

See, I absolutely understand, applaud and get what you’re saying.

However to me that is not conducive of a ‘basic’ psychology. I think there is so much that can be learnt from studying - well to be honest, we’re all individuals. My partner often wishes for a degree to work me out

As our society clicks it’s tongue in disapproval of the declining values & crime rates we witness today, I hope that all of her life & behaviour becomes a focal point in studies of ‘where it all went wrong’.
<modsnip> -who knows, perhaps Erin can contribute by the learnings obtained from examining her f#&ked up persona.

I don’t doubt there’s interest in her personality and where it all went wrong. If you look at it through a lens of ASPD it all makes sense, imo - that was my point. It’s basic to understand in that sense.

No doubt Erin will be studied and I hope it reveals where this went so wrong.

 

[Detechtive]

Less cult, more clique. Mean girl. Really mean.

JMO

Maybe so. I saw her as brainwashing the others a bit, though. That’s not just a clique.

Comparing the messages she had with various people after all of this, you can definitely see her trying to groom one individual in particular. They spoke every day. It only worked to a point until this individual pulled back from her and that’s when Erin truly lost her mind. This person is a family member of mine.

I think she was Erin’s main fixation at the time, IMO

 

[Susjay]

Maybe so. I saw her as brainwashing the others a bit, though. That’s not just a clique.

Comparing the messages she had with various people after all of this, you can definitely see her trying to groom one individual in particular. They spoke every day. It only worked to a point until this individual pulled back from her and that’s when Erin truly lost her mind. This person is a family member of mine.

I think she was Erin’s main fixation at the time, IMO

Hey “fixation” is a good word to use.

 

[LinasK]

People thought she was guilty because we are instinctive and could tell she was by her appallingly bad acting and trying to force out tears. Then she sent that shambolic statement to the media full of lies. It had absolutely nothing to do with the way the media portrayed her or any sort of diagnosis

IMO

And it turns out we were right!

 

[ch_13]

For me, the turning point was the statement Erin put out when she claimed that the mushrooms came from the store. Before that, I thought it may have just been a terrible accident.

Somehow death caps were grown in a sterile, commercial facility and made it out into the supply chain, but they only contaminated a single package. And the person who bought them just happened to be preparing a meal for their ex-in-laws, all of whom were poisoned. However the cook herself was unharmed.

Just coincidence, upon coincidence, upon coincidence. It would have to be a one in a billion occurrence.

 

[Cedars]

No doubt Erin will be studied and I hope it reveals where this went so wrong.

IMO, people are too complex and ever-changing to completely understand themselves and their own actions, much less explain themselves to others. And 10 times more for killers.

Even if someone was radically honest about themselves, IMO the best we could say was "It seemed like a good idea at the time".

JMO

 

[Detechtive]

For me, the turning point was the statement Erin put out when she claimed that the mushrooms came from the store. Before that, I thought it may have just been a terrible accident.

Somehow death caps were grown in a sterile, commercial facility and made it out into the supply chain, but they only contaminated a single package. And the person who bought them just happened to be preparing a meal for their ex-in-laws, all of whom were poisoned. However the cook herself was unharmed.

Just coincidence, upon coincidence, upon coincidence. It would have to be a one in a billion occurrence.

Yes true, I didn’t know anything about how mushrooms were grown and supplied before this debacle but when there were no public health warnings or recalls I knew the public health and police didn’t believe her.

 

[Little Jack]

Erin and her friends stalked me for 2 years
She stalked other members of our group for a long time too. I would think she still would be if it wasn’t for her being in jail. She’s obsessed and fixated.

I think people could have seen what she was capable of if they checked themselves. After our group split mostly because of Erin, Erin still tried to control all of us. She wouldn’t let us delete things etc. She was always creepy.

Her close friends never challenged her, never questioned her behaviour. They are yes people. Just happy to be nasty with Erin about Simon etc. In those kinds of echo chambers, people become more dangerous IMO.

As for what Erin shared personally with me - I don’t believe much of it is true. Some details about her sister and mother and Simon seem true but a lot doesn’t, in hindsight.

Can you clarify what you mean by stalking? Like online types of things? Or physically following? What exactly were they doing and how do you know all of it?

Not challenging you, genuinely curious

 

[Susjay]

I was definitely never one of her cult members. I found her funny and interesting but I never fully liked her like the others did. I always thought something was wrong with her. I think this is another reason she hated me and made up such rubbish about me.

Her cult members are still attacking people from my group. They’re unhinged. I don’t think she just manipulated them but I think they’ve got similar personality disorders to Erin which is why they became close in the first place.

These people watched on while she attacked and stalked regular people. That is never okay. In our group I focused on investigating criminals but Erin always has a side quest creeping on regular people who weren’t charged with any crime. Her friends do the same and see no problem with it.

Erin is very hard to know - she’s spent her whole life lurking in the shadows.

Makes me think of “bullies and bystanders”. Bystanders who speak up or interrupt the bullying help to address it, thereby become more than just bystanders. Bystanders, stand by and do nothing. Sounds like these folk actually did some of the bullying when they were encouraged to do so. You actually spoke up or refused to get involved & withdrew.

 

[Susjay]

Can you clarify what you mean by stalking? Like online types of things? Or physically following? What exactly were they doing and how do you know all of it?

Not challenging you, genuinely curious

Detechtive has described this in many previous posts if you go back into the threads. Then you would get more of the picture. But she will probably will give you some insight here as well.

 

[Susjay]

Yes true, I didn’t know anything about how mushrooms were grown and supplied before this debacle but when there were no public health warnings or recalls I knew the public health and police didn’t believe her.

And of course now we know that police were onto her from the time she presented to Dr Webster at the hospital. She also answered police questions about never foraging and never owning a dehydrator on Aug 5. Yet police had the CCTV evidence from Aug 2 of her dumping a dehydrator at the recycling centre.

 

[Detechtive]

Can you clarify what you mean by stalking? Like online types of things? Or physically following? What exactly were they doing and how do you know all of it?

Not challenging you, genuinely curious

It was online. I live in a different state.

Digging through every aspect of my life. Making up false conspiracy theories in public forums about me. Contacting people from my past, befriending an elderly family member who doesn’t know how to use Facebook and accepted their fake accounts to find information about me. Reviewing and discussing my children’s social media accounts and trying to gain access to them.
Doxxing, defaming, making up rubbish stories and relentlessly posting about this on public forums. Sending threats to myself and family members with fake accounts. I have the ip addresses of some of them which were traced back to both Melbourne and Gippsland. An IT expert friend traced them.

In some cases taking very private and humiliating things I had told one of them who I considered a friend, and publicly exposing it.

I also know it because people screenshot it and sent it to me, and I provided it all to the police in this matter. Also one of Erin’s former good friends told me a lot of the things I didn’t know that was going on inside the group. Erin kept files on myself and my family.

With other family members Erin would constantly comment and keep tabs on everything she was doing, including her friends and family.

I have no doubt Erin would have also physically stalked one person - but I don’t have proof. Erin tried very hard to find out where she lived and visit her under the guise of family holidays.

I documented it all with a psychologist at the time because mentally it was a lot to deal with. I’m much stronger now and am no longer mentally rattled by them.

Edited to add: when we all wanted to distance from Erin we left the original group and she became the admin. Days after I contacted her because we had so many personal videos, photos, info about our lives in the group (Erin didn’t share like we all did), and Erin refused to delete them. Said they were hers now and she would do what she wished with them. It’s creepy and she wouldn’t yield.

Erin had around 30 online fake profiles that I have so far linked to her. I don’t even think her “close” friends have any idea of the full extent of her antics online stalking everyone.

She mostly operated with 3 - one was a male account. And these weren’t the Erin Erin or Erin Erin Erin accounts.

Erin constantly deleted her accounts on Facebook (after poisoning attempts) and she did this a day after the poisonings too, she got reentry to her friends group with a completely new and random username.

More will come out about this in the future.

All of the authors and documentary people have contacted me and others in the group for this information for their books etc.

I’ve edited out some details so that lazy journalists can’t make click bait stories out of this horror.

IMO

 

[Detechtive]

It was online. I live in a different state.

Digging through every aspect of my life. Making up false conspiracy theories in public forums about me. Contacting people from my past, befriending an elderly family member who doesn’t know how to use Facebook and accepted their fake accounts to find information about me. Reviewing and discussing my children’s social media accounts and trying to gain access to them.
Doxxing, defaming, making up rubbish stories and relentlessly posting about this on public forums. Sending threats to myself and family members with fake accounts. I have the ip addresses of some of them which were traced back to both Melbourne and Gippsland. An IT expert friend traced them.

In some cases taking very private and humiliating things I had told one of them who I considered a friend, and publicly exposing it.

I also know it because people screenshot it and sent it to me, and I provided it all to the police in this matter. Also one of Erin’s former good friends told me a lot of the things I didn’t know that was going on inside the group. Erin kept files on myself and my family.

With other family members Erin would constantly comment and keep tabs on everything she was doing, including her friends and family.

I have no doubt Erin would have also physically stalked one person - but I don’t have proof. Erin tried very hard to find out where she lived and visit her under the guise of family holidays.

I documented it all with a psychologist at the time because mentally it was a lot to deal with. I’m much stronger now and am no longer mentally rattled by them.

Edited to add: when we all wanted to distance from Erin we left the original group and she became the admin. Days after I contacted her because we had so many personal videos, photos, info about our lives in the group (Erin didn’t share like we all did), and Erin refused to delete them. Said they were hers now and she would do what she wished with them. It’s creepy and she wouldn’t yield.

Erin had around 30 online fake profiles that I have so far linked to her. I don’t even think her “close” friends have any idea of the full extent of her antics online stalking everyone.

She mostly operated with 3 - one was a male account. And these weren’t the Erin Erin or Erin Erin Erin accounts.

Erin constantly deleted her accounts on Facebook (after poisoning attempts) and she did this a day after the poisonings too, she got reentry to her friends group with a completely new and random username.

More will come out about this in the future.

All of the authors and documentary people have contacted me and others in the group for this information for their books etc.

I’ve edited out some details so that lazy journalists can’t make click bait stories out of this horror.

IMO

At one point one of my family members didnt speak to me because we had a major family trauma which was inflicted upon us post-divorce, and it was horrible. He’s since come around and our family is amazing again, but it took some time and therapy and family support. These people knew this and are trying to use it to defame and shame me publicly. They take vulnerable real honest conversations and pain and use them as fodder and weapons to harm people. It’s psychopathic.

It’s also bizarre to me because I know two of Erin’s friends have criminal associations and very sketchy pasts. Erin herself constantly committed criminal activities she wasn’t charged for. But yet they’re still targeting bystanders who are average people with a few (non criminal) mistakes in their past. They use it to shame people and to stop them talking, but it doesn’t work with me and my friends who knew Erin and were victims of her too. We are all a lot stronger since separating from those awful people.

It used to really hurt me a lot - I had a mental breakdown from the incessant bullying at the time (which is not shameful to admit - these people do this to destroy people, by design) but I am not ashamed of anything anymore, and mistakes I’ve made in my past, or that others who I knew have done I don’t take responsibility for. These sorts of nasty psychopaths thrive off this power. They’re truly disgusting people. IMO

As for Simon, Erin had some things on him (non criminal) which they cooperated in together (due to Erin’s pressure on him) and I truly believe she used these things to manipulate him into compliance.